Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target
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While the Transformers Earthspark show has been around for months, Megyn Kelly, famous for her time on Fox News, only learnt now that the show includes the non-binary character Nightshade. She doesn't watch the show but commented on a clip featuring Nightshade discussing their pronouns with a human, calling it "disgusting". The reason this is being brought up here is because with Transformers being a franchise from the 80s, it rarely gets discussed in the older demographic (60 and up) and now Megyn has raised the show's awareness to them, who follow her, spreading outrage.
This was then picked up by her old network, Fox, with Laura Ingraham who dedicated an entire segment to it, calling the show "corrosive".
Here is a video detailing the fox news segment with clips of Laura Ingraham reacting to Transformers Earrhspark.
This was then picked up by her old network, Fox, with Laura Ingraham who dedicated an entire segment to it, calling the show "corrosive".
Here is a video detailing the fox news segment with clips of Laura Ingraham reacting to Transformers Earrhspark.
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Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161282)
Posted by Quantum Surge on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:17am CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:17am CDT
Someone in the media being riled up over a show. Other breaking news: Water...wet...
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161285)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:43am CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:43am CDT
The initial outrage over HUB alum SheZow didn't amount to much or last that long, did it?
Of course, that show was neither a presence on toy shelves, nor part of a decades-long franchise.
Point is, been here, done that.
Methinks this might just be a plot to get Nightshade's toy pulled before most collectors can finish their Mandroid, so some scalpers connected to the Murdochs who already have several cases stockpiled can leak them out at an 800% markup and pay off Fox News' recent legal bills! Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple!
Of course, that show was neither a presence on toy shelves, nor part of a decades-long franchise.
Point is, been here, done that.
Methinks this might just be a plot to get Nightshade's toy pulled before most collectors can finish their Mandroid, so some scalpers connected to the Murdochs who already have several cases stockpiled can leak them out at an 800% markup and pay off Fox News' recent legal bills! Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple!
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161287)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:18am CDT
But this time it's Transformers. First time some people over 60 ever hear about that show
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:18am CDT
Quantum Surge wrote:Someone in the media being riled up over a show. Other breaking news: Water...wet...
But this time it's Transformers. First time some people over 60 ever hear about that show
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161288)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:02am CDT
Is Mortal Kombat the best example of a franchise targeted at kids that became iconic and enduring almost entirely due to free advertising from outrage-news-stories heralding its debut?
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:02am CDT
True Dat. I remember one pair of grandparents who came into my Toys'R'Us after the first Bay movie asking: "Is there one that turns from a car into like a person?" I somehow avoided laughing long enough to answer: "Well, we did have that guy, let's go check..."william-james88 wrote:Quantum Surge wrote:Someone in the media being riled up over a show. Other breaking news: Water...wet...
But this time it's Transformers. First time some people over 60 ever hear about that show
Is Mortal Kombat the best example of a franchise targeted at kids that became iconic and enduring almost entirely due to free advertising from outrage-news-stories heralding its debut?
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Posted by Burn on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:53am CDT
Posted by Burn on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:53am CDT
hmmm yes, another pointless outrage.
I so can't wait for the usual suspects to come along and jump on the Kelly bandwagon and prove how narrow minded they are.
In all seriousness, I don't give a flying fuck about pronouns, at the end of the day, they don't hurt me, nor do they hurt those close to me that I care about. It's not my thing, but if people want to use them then that's fine by me.
I so can't wait for the usual suspects to come along and jump on the Kelly bandwagon and prove how narrow minded they are.
In all seriousness, I don't give a flying fuck about pronouns, at the end of the day, they don't hurt me, nor do they hurt those close to me that I care about. It's not my thing, but if people want to use them then that's fine by me.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161293)
Posted by noctorro on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:06am CDT
Posted by noctorro on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:06am CDT
Personal opinion, I don't think sociopolitical and sexual preference stuff needs to be in a children's cartoon. And that a news outlet reports on this without being 40 years fan of the series is just fine by me.
Stick to Autobots fighting Decepticons while saving humans and other factions.
Stick to Autobots fighting Decepticons while saving humans and other factions.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161296)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:35am CDT
There was no mention of sexual preference.
As for sociopolitics, that's been there in some way or another with the Transformers brand throughout the years.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:35am CDT
noctorro wrote:Personal opinion, I don't think sociopolitical and sexual preference stuff needs to be in a children's cartoon. And that a news outlet reports on this without being 40 years fan of the series is just fine by me.
Stick to Autobots fighting Decepticons while saving humans and other factions.
There was no mention of sexual preference.
As for sociopolitics, that's been there in some way or another with the Transformers brand throughout the years.
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Posted by Sard on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:43am CDT
Sociopolitical issues have been a standard of superhero and similar media for decades, and nothing in the clip there touches on sexual preferences. Both categories were being touched on by the franchise over twenty years ago, anyways.
Posted by Sard on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:43am CDT
noctorro wrote:Personal opinion, I don't think sociopolitical and sexual preference stuff needs to be in a children's cartoon. And that a news outlet reports on this without being 40 years fan of the series is just fine by me.
Stick to Autobots fighting Decepticons while saving humans and other factions.
Sociopolitical issues have been a standard of superhero and similar media for decades, and nothing in the clip there touches on sexual preferences. Both categories were being touched on by the franchise over twenty years ago, anyways.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 9:46am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 9:46am CDT
Wow, they are really late to the show here. Probably the only reason it is on Fox News now is because that stupid Libsoftiktok found and shared a clip of the show.
Either way, they can fuck right off with that. Nightshade is a good character and they identifying as them was never a problem until a hate page (Libsoftiktok is a hate page) found it. Otherwise, they are great, and this should not impact that.
No time or space for narrow minded assholes.
Either way, they can fuck right off with that. Nightshade is a good character and they identifying as them was never a problem until a hate page (Libsoftiktok is a hate page) found it. Otherwise, they are great, and this should not impact that.
No time or space for narrow minded assholes.
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Posted by KidTDragon on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:17am CDT
Posted by KidTDragon on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:17am CDT
Not to be pedantic (okay, maybe a little), but Megyn Kelly left Faux News in 2017 thinking she could have a career outside of the conservative loon bubble. As it turned out, spewing lies and hate for 13 years can have an affect on your future career prospects, and after a brief stint with NBC, SiriusXM decided for some reason that giving her an outlet to Exorcist-vomit right-wing nonsense again was a swell idea. That's likely where this particular diarrhea was squirted out, though I'm sure some tool at Fox will pick it up and run with it soon enough.
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Posted by o.supreme on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:25am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:25am CDT
Until now. I've chosen to stay out of this thread because I'm just not fond of this show. I gave it a chance and its not for me. However Its not like I wish it not to exist. I dont worry about what I can't control.
However the news obviously was posted by a member of this site, so then conversation surrounding it has been given a greenlight. That's my interpretation at least.
Those that know me, know I am apolitical. I believe no human can govern competently, so I look to a close knit community of friends and those that share my faith for inspiration and encouragement, which has served me well.
AS for the obvious subject of Transgenderism that this show has decided to incorporate into itself. Well... it is what it is. Conservative Media (Like Liberal Media) will latch on to something, albeit a bit late to the party, it will make the rounds with all the talking heads, then be gone just as quickly as it came then move on to the next outrage.
AS for me personally, my kids are too old to care about this show, if not for me as a Transformers Fan, they wouldn't even know it exists. If however, we wound back the clocks a decade, and this was in their demo, They wouldn't watch it. It's not that I am so personally offended or outraged, it's just that I believe it is a very odd message to put in a show aimed at children.
Sure this is a show about fictional robots, so one could argue that they can literally be anything they want to be, but it is still an odd choice, considering (one would assume) these robots are not sexual in nature despite obviously having male and female personalities. That being said, I'm not going to tell anyone they cant watch it, or that they shouldn't let their kids watch. It seems to have an overall positive vibe and positive response from the fan community. However, everyone has to make the that decision for themselves. Personally, as I watched my young son grow up, and be enthralled by Rescue Bots in it's first couple of seasons, I really miss shows like that. Just My 2 cents.
However the news obviously was posted by a member of this site, so then conversation surrounding it has been given a greenlight. That's my interpretation at least.
Those that know me, know I am apolitical. I believe no human can govern competently, so I look to a close knit community of friends and those that share my faith for inspiration and encouragement, which has served me well.
AS for the obvious subject of Transgenderism that this show has decided to incorporate into itself. Well... it is what it is. Conservative Media (Like Liberal Media) will latch on to something, albeit a bit late to the party, it will make the rounds with all the talking heads, then be gone just as quickly as it came then move on to the next outrage.
AS for me personally, my kids are too old to care about this show, if not for me as a Transformers Fan, they wouldn't even know it exists. If however, we wound back the clocks a decade, and this was in their demo, They wouldn't watch it. It's not that I am so personally offended or outraged, it's just that I believe it is a very odd message to put in a show aimed at children.
Sure this is a show about fictional robots, so one could argue that they can literally be anything they want to be, but it is still an odd choice, considering (one would assume) these robots are not sexual in nature despite obviously having male and female personalities. That being said, I'm not going to tell anyone they cant watch it, or that they shouldn't let their kids watch. It seems to have an overall positive vibe and positive response from the fan community. However, everyone has to make the that decision for themselves. Personally, as I watched my young son grow up, and be enthralled by Rescue Bots in it's first couple of seasons, I really miss shows like that. Just My 2 cents.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:29am CDT
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:29am CDT
The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
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Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:38am CDT
Yes, this comes from Megyn Kelly seeing the libsoftictok video. But it wasn't on fox news, she just shared it with her base on twitter
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:38am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Wow, they are really late to the show here. Probably the only reason it is on Fox News now is because that stupid Libsoftiktok found and shared a clip of the show.
Either way, they can **** right off with that. Nightshade is a good character and they identifying as them was never a problem until a hate page (Libsoftiktok is a hate page) found it. Otherwise, they are great, and this should not impact that.
No time or space for narrow minded assholes.
Yes, this comes from Megyn Kelly seeing the libsoftictok video. But it wasn't on fox news, she just shared it with her base on twitter
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:39am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:39am CDT
o. supreme, I think you are misinterpretting what the focus is.
This isn't transgenderism.
Nightshade was literally born, and chose to not identify as directly male or female. They have always been a them, they didn't "transition" or anything.
And if anything, an alien species should be most open to that, they have no reason to be binary.
All this is is Nightshade identifying as they, and everyone else respecting that. That is the base and all of it.
This isn't transgenderism.
Nightshade was literally born, and chose to not identify as directly male or female. They have always been a them, they didn't "transition" or anything.
And if anything, an alien species should be most open to that, they have no reason to be binary.
All this is is Nightshade identifying as they, and everyone else respecting that. That is the base and all of it.
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Posted by Lore Keeper on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:44am CDT
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:44am CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
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Posted by Richeetf on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
Posted by Richeetf on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
I come to this webpage multiple times a day. There are so many other transformer pages I can check but have been here for years at this point. This is now another political post that seems to incite comments from all political sides. When did this webpage become political? Just stick to showing us the exciting transformer news coming out free from bias or political propaganda shows. Transformers are here for entertainment and escapism and letting our imaginations soar.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161312)
Posted by Ig89ninja on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:56am CDT
Posted by Ig89ninja on May 14th, 2023 @ 10:56am CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
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Posted by o.supreme on May 14th, 2023 @ 11:17am CDT
What about the human child Nightshade interacts with in a later episode? While I agree that in a fictional world, fictional robots can be whatever they are ; in the real world things are different.
I never personally understood the strong desire to identify with any fictional character. Sure I have my favorites, but I was never looking for any individual in television or movies thanking "Yeah THAT's ME", but apparently it is common. (One of my daughters best friends literally cried at the end of Bad Batch S2 because they killed off the *first clone trooper with ADHD* (friends words noy my daughters), and she was going to write an angry letter to Dave Filoni - an almost 18YO girl.
One would have to be pretty oblivious to look at the interaction between Nightshade and blue hair girl and not see the obvious. I mean if you want to say that this show takes place in a fictional world, so people who have an subjective view of themselves, and expect others to do the same is valid because it is fiction, Sure. But unfortunately that's not how children process things.
Posted by o.supreme on May 14th, 2023 @ 11:17am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:o. supreme, I think you are misinterpretting what the focus is.
This isn't transgenderism.
Nightshade was literally born, and chose to not identify as directly male or female. They have always been a them, they didn't "transition" or anything.
And if anything, an alien species should be most open to that, they have no reason to be binary.
All this is is Nightshade identifying as they, and everyone else respecting that. That is the base and all of it.
What about the human child Nightshade interacts with in a later episode? While I agree that in a fictional world, fictional robots can be whatever they are ; in the real world things are different.
I never personally understood the strong desire to identify with any fictional character. Sure I have my favorites, but I was never looking for any individual in television or movies thanking "Yeah THAT's ME", but apparently it is common. (One of my daughters best friends literally cried at the end of Bad Batch S2 because they killed off the *first clone trooper with ADHD* (friends words noy my daughters), and she was going to write an angry letter to Dave Filoni - an almost 18YO girl.
One would have to be pretty oblivious to look at the interaction between Nightshade and blue hair girl and not see the obvious. I mean if you want to say that this show takes place in a fictional world, so people who have an subjective view of themselves, and expect others to do the same is valid because it is fiction, Sure. But unfortunately that's not how children process things.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 11:46am CDT
While I am far from the right person to respond to this, seeing as how I am a cis male individual, I just see that as validation for Nightshade.
Until that point, Nightshade did not have someone else who could share their opinions on their life choices. In many ways, that was Nightshade feeling validation for their choice, and finding a word, in this case "non-binary", that could finally describe them.
In addition, as the Terrans are Transformers born on earth, they are a sort of hybrid of Cybertronian and earth native, hence their scientific name of "Cybertronis Terran". So Nightshade would feel some degree of validation from what could be described as a species "cousin".
Again, i am not the person to truly interpret this, but it was validation for Nightshade, and it helped many people relate to them. Everyone, whether they intend to or not, has that once character that they feel a special connection with because they are so alike. It's a big deal for many people to relate to a fictional character, it helps pull them into a story more, and allows them to feel that fiction recognizes that someone with their personality/quirks/etc. is there and is part of those worlds.
I have friends both online and IRL that feel that way about Nightshade for that reason. Same way I have a couple friends who feel a connection with Jawbreaker for the hints of autism that are written into his character. Bumblebee and Blastwave for the vocally impaired. And there are many other examples. Characters who are well written that have something included into that character, not necessarily someone who is written around a "gimmick".
So for them, Nightshade is a cherished character, and not just because they are well written either. This one is not a gimmick, they are actually a well written character who just so happens to be non-binary. And i am happy for them to have that character, and at least for me, Nightshade is a good character in a good show with a good story line going.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2023 @ 11:46am CDT
o.supreme wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:o. supreme, I think you are misinterpretting what the focus is.
This isn't transgenderism.
Nightshade was literally born, and chose to not identify as directly male or female. They have always been a them, they didn't "transition" or anything.
And if anything, an alien species should be most open to that, they have no reason to be binary.
All this is is Nightshade identifying as they, and everyone else respecting that. That is the base and all of it.
What about the human child Nightshade interacts with in a later episode? While I agree that in a fictional world, fictional robots can be whatever they are ; in the real world things are different.
I never personally understood the strong desire to identify with any fictional character. Sure I have my favorites, but I was never looking for any individual in television or movies thanking "Yeah THAT's ME", which apparently is common.
One would have to be pretty oblivious to look at the interaction between Nightshade and blue hair girl and not see the obvious. I mean if you want to say that this show takes place in a fictional world, so people who have an subjective view of themselves, and expect others to do the same is valid because it is fiction, Sure. But unfortunately that's not how children process things.
While I am far from the right person to respond to this, seeing as how I am a cis male individual, I just see that as validation for Nightshade.
Until that point, Nightshade did not have someone else who could share their opinions on their life choices. In many ways, that was Nightshade feeling validation for their choice, and finding a word, in this case "non-binary", that could finally describe them.
In addition, as the Terrans are Transformers born on earth, they are a sort of hybrid of Cybertronian and earth native, hence their scientific name of "Cybertronis Terran". So Nightshade would feel some degree of validation from what could be described as a species "cousin".
Again, i am not the person to truly interpret this, but it was validation for Nightshade, and it helped many people relate to them. Everyone, whether they intend to or not, has that once character that they feel a special connection with because they are so alike. It's a big deal for many people to relate to a fictional character, it helps pull them into a story more, and allows them to feel that fiction recognizes that someone with their personality/quirks/etc. is there and is part of those worlds.
I have friends both online and IRL that feel that way about Nightshade for that reason. Same way I have a couple friends who feel a connection with Jawbreaker for the hints of autism that are written into his character. Bumblebee and Blastwave for the vocally impaired. And there are many other examples. Characters who are well written that have something included into that character, not necessarily someone who is written around a "gimmick".
So for them, Nightshade is a cherished character, and not just because they are well written either. This one is not a gimmick, they are actually a well written character who just so happens to be non-binary. And i am happy for them to have that character, and at least for me, Nightshade is a good character in a good show with a good story line going.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:11pm CDT
I thought you had kids???
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 12:11pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
I thought you had kids???
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:49pm CDT
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:49pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.
Dr. Caelus wrote:
I thought you had kids???
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:51pm CDT
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:51pm CDT
Double post.. d'oh
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:53pm CDT
Politics should not be discussed period on social media.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 1:53pm CDT
Richeetf wrote:I come to this webpage multiple times a day. There are so many other transformer pages I can check but have been here for years at this point. This is now another political post that seems to incite comments from all political sides. When did this webpage become political? Just stick to showing us the exciting transformer news coming out free from bias or political propaganda shows. Transformers are here for entertainment and escapism and letting our imaginations soar.
Politics should not be discussed period on social media.
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Posted by Dragon_Lord on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:01pm CDT
Same here, I live in the Caribbean and this is something I never saw manifested in children around my country or in people from my generation living in other countries in Latin America. I always had my favorite characters, but I saw them more like something I wanted aspire to rather than something I already was, so more like role models, so to speak.
Posted by Dragon_Lord on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:01pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
I never personally understood the strong desire to identify with any fictional character. Sure I have my favorites, but I was never looking for any individual in television or movies thanking "Yeah THAT's ME", but apparently it is common.
Same here, I live in the Caribbean and this is something I never saw manifested in children around my country or in people from my generation living in other countries in Latin America. I always had my favorite characters, but I saw them more like something I wanted aspire to rather than something I already was, so more like role models, so to speak.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:48pm CDT
I had noticed your posts were getting weird a while back but I check in here so much less than I used to I didn't say anything. This is not a healthy attitude to have, and even if you're joking it's troubling that you think it's funny.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 2:48pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.Dr. Caelus wrote:
I thought you had kids???
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
I had noticed your posts were getting weird a while back but I check in here so much less than I used to I didn't say anything. This is not a healthy attitude to have, and even if you're joking it's troubling that you think it's funny.
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Posted by Slashercon on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:11pm CDT
Major Rant incoming (Since We decided we had to make a news article that clearly talks about politics, don't be surprised that I talk about politics. )
You know, I generally watch/play/read media to ESCAPE the real-world/overly political side of things. I watched up to maybe episode 4 of Earthspark (a show which I wasn't entirely enjoying to be honest) before I said I'd take a break. Found out a while later that Nightshade fell into the political vat, and I decided the show wasn't worth my time. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it in the show about how it "makes sense", because it's the year 2023, and I know the real-world reason why it's being done. Of course adding identity- politics into a show which, let's be honest, the target demographic being children, I find to be underhanded. It's not just Transformers either; many cartoons, comics, games, movies, etc. of ESTABLISHED IPS have more or less been up-ended for "modern" audiences, and said IPs (and the fans that made them what they are) are the ones that suffer in quality and/or revenue. I sure most will see it as innocent and don't see the harm in a sentient robot referring to himself as "they" (even though grammatically it's disingenuous), but it more or less tells kids that this type of behavior is acceptable. I know a lot of parents who are just tired of having identity politics entrenched in their kids' entertainment (even education), and even adults who steer clear of media with it now.
In the end, all I'll say, is keep identity-politics out of entertainment.
Also, I would respectfully request that we refrain from bringing up topics like this again in the future, since I know people on both sides can be very "passionate" about their views, and civil discussions aren't always on the minds of most who wander on the forums.
Posted by Slashercon on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:11pm CDT
Major Rant incoming (Since We decided we had to make a news article that clearly talks about politics, don't be surprised that I talk about politics. )You know, I generally watch/play/read media to ESCAPE the real-world/overly political side of things. I watched up to maybe episode 4 of Earthspark (a show which I wasn't entirely enjoying to be honest) before I said I'd take a break. Found out a while later that Nightshade fell into the political vat, and I decided the show wasn't worth my time. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it in the show about how it "makes sense", because it's the year 2023, and I know the real-world reason why it's being done. Of course adding identity- politics into a show which, let's be honest, the target demographic being children, I find to be underhanded. It's not just Transformers either; many cartoons, comics, games, movies, etc. of ESTABLISHED IPS have more or less been up-ended for "modern" audiences, and said IPs (and the fans that made them what they are) are the ones that suffer in quality and/or revenue. I sure most will see it as innocent and don't see the harm in a sentient robot referring to himself as "they" (even though grammatically it's disingenuous), but it more or less tells kids that this type of behavior is acceptable. I know a lot of parents who are just tired of having identity politics entrenched in their kids' entertainment (even education), and even adults who steer clear of media with it now.
In the end, all I'll say, is keep identity-politics out of entertainment.
Also, I would respectfully request that we refrain from bringing up topics like this again in the future, since I know people on both sides can be very "passionate" about their views, and civil discussions aren't always on the minds of most who wander on the forums.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:15pm CDT
Also, to the topic at hand, I have a question. "They" is a plural pronoun. Isn't it incorrect when someone nonbinary uses it or it is used to reference that person? If that person refuses to identify as a he or a she, how can that person be a "they" since "they" includes at least 1 of those singular pronouns?
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:15pm CDT
While I agree with the sentiment that humanity at its current stage is largely a destructive force on the planet, I wouldn't go for total eradication. I'm more inclined to agree with Thanos.Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Also, to the topic at hand, I have a question. "They" is a plural pronoun. Isn't it incorrect when someone nonbinary uses it or it is used to reference that person? If that person refuses to identify as a he or a she, how can that person be a "they" since "they" includes at least 1 of those singular pronouns?
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:21pm CDT
"They" is not exclusively plural, either historically or in present practice. It used to be the formal third person singular, IIRC, and then became the common third person alternative to he/she because no one could be troubled to say "he or she" in casual conversation.
Also, grammar is fluid, contextually dependent, and less important than actual people.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:21pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Also, to the topic at hand, I have a question. "They" is a plural pronoun. Isn't it incorrect when someone nonbinary uses it or it is used to reference that person? If that person refuses to identify as a he or a she, how can that person be a "they" since "they" includes at least 1 of those singular pronouns?
"They" is not exclusively plural, either historically or in present practice. It used to be the formal third person singular, IIRC, and then became the common third person alternative to he/she because no one could be troubled to say "he or she" in casual conversation.
Also, grammar is fluid, contextually dependent, and less important than actual people.
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Posted by Brokebot on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:43pm CDT
Posted by Brokebot on May 14th, 2023 @ 3:43pm CDT
I lost interest in this show about halfway through reading a synopsis of it before it ever made it to air. Sounded boring, looked worse, and the toys were largely unimpressive. I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally added the they/them stuff just to stir up controversy and get some free exposure . Wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last. If gender identity politics is the hill they want to die on, they can have at it.
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Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:09pm CDT
"Time on Earth help us look down, see what we trample on" -Grimlock
That makes Transformers a great lens through which to analyze the meaning of human attributes like gender and associated pronouns, which there've been traces of since the beginning, when Bob Budianski wanted to make a few characters female in his first pass at the bios, but Hasbro said that would create confusion in a toyline targeted at boys. (Gobots did just what Bob originally intended, and that will forever stand as the major one-up they had on TF from the get-go) This later led to the moment in issue #53 where Cloudburst had to shoot the First One of Femax down by telling her his species has no gender. My interpretation was that Marvel-continuity TFs only use male pronouns as a result of picking up on a tendency to project male-ness onto anything humanoid but neuter and "clunky-looking", like robots and golems, and that it must be something inherent in Earth languages, as they had to have learned it in the middle of issue #1 before they even understood what organic life was! Now I know a lot of fans won't agree with my conclusion, but it makes you think for a moment about what gender even means, and those old stories weren't even intended to address LGBTQ or gender identity issues.
Cloudburst's statement of TF non-gender-identity has to be what forced Furman to write "Prime's Rib" to explain Arcee's origin. And though many despise that story, I find it gets better the more you overthink it. Of course the Autobots didn't really understand what humans actually wanted to see in a female member of their race, because even the ones who'd been interacting with humans for a decade hadn't really processed what it meant that humans just perceived them as male by default. Well, Skids probably did while he was shacking up with Charlene...
But misanthropy is misanthropy, and hatred of my own species for treating me like an alien or monster because of my neurotype was part of the reason I identified with sentient robots more than humans in the cartoons I watched in childhood. We all need to vent a cry of, "Let's stomp these creatures until we're knee-deep in pink slime!" once in a while. Skullcruncher knew that, and so does Cyber Bishop.
And so did Raksha, damn I miss her site.
But it's more important now to show how that can lead to making a friend, as Nightshade did. It'd be nice to hear some pundit point out that Earthspark has a more mature attitude toward war and its aftermath than most cartoons targeted at kids; someone in Vladamir Putin's bubble should recommend it to fearless leader.
"I'm a train they call the Cesspool of New Orleans,
"I'll be gone 5000 miles wh--"
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:09pm CDT
And yet, it's not entirely off-topic for this particular thread, sadly enough. Our whole cultural idea of a robot is an expression if misanthropy, artificial humans designed to improve on supposed "flaws", and the premise of Transformers flipped this, making robots sentient aliens superior to humanity in so many ways that our species is just a few billion dumb bugs by comparison, but in a way that ultimately taught kids about empathy for those different from themselves in a lot of stories.Dr. Caelus wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.Dr. Caelus wrote:
I thought you had kids???
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
I had noticed your posts were getting weird a while back but I check in here so much less than I used to I didn't say anything. This is not a healthy attitude to have, and even if you're joking it's troubling that you think it's funny.
"Time on Earth help us look down, see what we trample on" -Grimlock
That makes Transformers a great lens through which to analyze the meaning of human attributes like gender and associated pronouns, which there've been traces of since the beginning, when Bob Budianski wanted to make a few characters female in his first pass at the bios, but Hasbro said that would create confusion in a toyline targeted at boys. (Gobots did just what Bob originally intended, and that will forever stand as the major one-up they had on TF from the get-go) This later led to the moment in issue #53 where Cloudburst had to shoot the First One of Femax down by telling her his species has no gender. My interpretation was that Marvel-continuity TFs only use male pronouns as a result of picking up on a tendency to project male-ness onto anything humanoid but neuter and "clunky-looking", like robots and golems, and that it must be something inherent in Earth languages, as they had to have learned it in the middle of issue #1 before they even understood what organic life was! Now I know a lot of fans won't agree with my conclusion, but it makes you think for a moment about what gender even means, and those old stories weren't even intended to address LGBTQ or gender identity issues.
Cloudburst's statement of TF non-gender-identity has to be what forced Furman to write "Prime's Rib" to explain Arcee's origin. And though many despise that story, I find it gets better the more you overthink it. Of course the Autobots didn't really understand what humans actually wanted to see in a female member of their race, because even the ones who'd been interacting with humans for a decade hadn't really processed what it meant that humans just perceived them as male by default. Well, Skids probably did while he was shacking up with Charlene...
But misanthropy is misanthropy, and hatred of my own species for treating me like an alien or monster because of my neurotype was part of the reason I identified with sentient robots more than humans in the cartoons I watched in childhood. We all need to vent a cry of, "Let's stomp these creatures until we're knee-deep in pink slime!" once in a while. Skullcruncher knew that, and so does Cyber Bishop.
And so did Raksha, damn I miss her site.
But it's more important now to show how that can lead to making a friend, as Nightshade did. It'd be nice to hear some pundit point out that Earthspark has a more mature attitude toward war and its aftermath than most cartoons targeted at kids; someone in Vladamir Putin's bubble should recommend it to fearless leader.
"I'm a train they call the Cesspool of New Orleans,
"I'll be gone 5000 miles wh--"
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161330)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:19pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:19pm CDT
--en the day is done."Bumblevivisector wrote:"I'm a train they call the Cesspool of New Orleans,
"I'll be gone 5000 miles wh--"
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Posted by TulioDude on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:27pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:27pm CDT
Someone said something bad of Transformers Cartoon on tv?
I don't think this will mater in the long run.
Nightshade is fine, if every time they only talked about pronouns that would get repetitive, but for now the writers are doing a good job of giving them more to do.
I would wait for to happen in the story before deciding how I feel about the character.
I don't think this will mater in the long run.
Nightshade is fine, if every time they only talked about pronouns that would get repetitive, but for now the writers are doing a good job of giving them more to do.
I would wait for to happen in the story before deciding how I feel about the character.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:36pm CDT
There's a transformers movie coming out in a few weeks with a lot of attention on it, including people decrying it as 'too woke' for not having enough white humans. Even though there's no relationship between Earthspark and the movie, that likely won't matter to the people who get upset about M&M's boots or how someone dresses while drinking 'beer'. The live action movie audiences definitely seem to trend more conservative than other Transformers fans, so a push to 'cancel' Transformers from that end could do a lot of damage to the brand, financially, and put a definite chill on inclusive writing, going forward.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:36pm CDT
TulioDude wrote:Someone said something bad of Transformers Cartoon on tv?
I don't this will mater in the long run.
Nightshade is fine, if every time they only talked about pronouns that would get repetitive, but for now the writers are doing a good job of giving them more to do.
I would wait for to happen in the story before deciding how I feel about the character.
There's a transformers movie coming out in a few weeks with a lot of attention on it, including people decrying it as 'too woke' for not having enough white humans. Even though there's no relationship between Earthspark and the movie, that likely won't matter to the people who get upset about M&M's boots or how someone dresses while drinking 'beer'. The live action movie audiences definitely seem to trend more conservative than other Transformers fans, so a push to 'cancel' Transformers from that end could do a lot of damage to the brand, financially, and put a definite chill on inclusive writing, going forward.
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Posted by TulioDude on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:46pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:46pm CDT
As someone who lives outside the US, is Megyn Kelly popular? I haven't heard of her before.
I'm asking because it seens to just a story of the day thing.
I'm asking because it seens to just a story of the day thing.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:51pm CDT
No joking at all, never claimed to be joking and dont think it is funny. Don't tell me about a fu<&ing healthy attitude in this $h1t society we live in. People are horrible plain and simple. Don't preach to me either.
And as far as my kids go, they are all grown adults and know how to handle themselves.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:51pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.Dr. Caelus wrote:
I thought you had kids???
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
I had noticed your posts were getting weird a while back but I check in here so much less than I used to I didn't say anything. This is not a healthy attitude to have, and even if you're joking it's troubling that you think it's funny.
No joking at all, never claimed to be joking and dont think it is funny. Don't tell me about a fu<&ing healthy attitude in this $h1t society we live in. People are horrible plain and simple. Don't preach to me either.
And as far as my kids go, they are all grown adults and know how to handle themselves.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:57pm CDT
She has 2.8 million twitter followers, which is larger than the viewership of Fox News was in February. More importantly, people who have more direct power/influence over American lives mine her content for talking points.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 4:57pm CDT
TulioDude wrote:As someone who lives outside the US, is Megyn Kelly popular? I haven't heard of her before.
I'm asking because it seens to just a story of the day thing.
She has 2.8 million twitter followers, which is larger than the viewership of Fox News was in February. More importantly, people who have more direct power/influence over American lives mine her content for talking points.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:13pm CDT
This is part of the problem with this crap society, sheep need "influencers". If you need to follow someone that is an influencer then you are completely useless as this is what social media has spiraled to, the people that want to push agendas use youtube/tiktok/etc.. and their influencers to further press issues to their followers.
Are the masses that stupid that they can't form an opinion on something unless their favorite social media star pushes it as well.
Since 2020 things have gotten progressively worse, attitudes towards one another have worsened, so many think they are entitled to their opinion whether or not it is anti vax, anti mask, pro vax, pro mask, pro life, pro choice, etc. somehow society became entitled even more to be complete straight up assholes.
Things like this are what soured me to be honest as I used to be a lot more friendlier but all the mobs "woke" and whatnot just get worse. these people need PAIN to set themselves straight since they don't respond to anything else. Pure naked force has solved more issues on this miserable planet than ANYTHING throughout the course of human history. Time to bring back the pain.
And for the record I have never played well with others, never will and when $hit goes south I'll be one of the ones that survives because I can/will and have to do whatever it takes to survive regardless who I have to take out on the way.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:13pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:people who have more direct power/influence
This is part of the problem with this crap society, sheep need "influencers". If you need to follow someone that is an influencer then you are completely useless as this is what social media has spiraled to, the people that want to push agendas use youtube/tiktok/etc.. and their influencers to further press issues to their followers.
Are the masses that stupid that they can't form an opinion on something unless their favorite social media star pushes it as well.
Since 2020 things have gotten progressively worse, attitudes towards one another have worsened, so many think they are entitled to their opinion whether or not it is anti vax, anti mask, pro vax, pro mask, pro life, pro choice, etc. somehow society became entitled even more to be complete straight up assholes.
Things like this are what soured me to be honest as I used to be a lot more friendlier but all the mobs "woke" and whatnot just get worse. these people need PAIN to set themselves straight since they don't respond to anything else. Pure naked force has solved more issues on this miserable planet than ANYTHING throughout the course of human history. Time to bring back the pain.
And for the record I have never played well with others, never will and when $hit goes south I'll be one of the ones that survives because I can/will and have to do whatever it takes to survive regardless who I have to take out on the way.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:17pm CDT
Well, I'm sorry you've had such a rough go of it, and there was a time I would have tried to help or offer some sort of supportive words, but I'm much older now and don't put as much stock in words.
My main concern is that, someone who publicly says they want their own children to die in a purge, basically sounds like a rampage-killing waiting to happen and isn't a safe person to have on a website frequented by other human beings (whom they explicitly hate).
Although you've been here longer than me, I would suggest you either leave, and spare yourself the torture of even the thinnest form of human interaction, or stop pretending you're an edgy nihilist sigma male or whatever it is you think you've got going on these days.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:17pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:The whole planet and all the miserable sack of $hi7 people (which is everyone) on it need to be eliminated. Humanity needs a freaking reset.
Uh... that one right there, officer.
Bring it "officer". I live right to the west of the cesspool called New Orleans.
Locked and loaded with ZERO fu<&'s to give.Dr. Caelus wrote:
I thought you had kids???
I do, they and myself are included. This world is a cesspool and needs to be purged.
I had noticed your posts were getting weird a while back but I check in here so much less than I used to I didn't say anything. This is not a healthy attitude to have, and even if you're joking it's troubling that you think it's funny.
No joking at all, never claimed to be joking and dont think it is funny. Don't tell me about a fu<&ing healthy attitude in this $h1t society we live in. People are horrible plain and simple. Don't preach to me either.
Well, I'm sorry you've had such a rough go of it, and there was a time I would have tried to help or offer some sort of supportive words, but I'm much older now and don't put as much stock in words.
My main concern is that, someone who publicly says they want their own children to die in a purge, basically sounds like a rampage-killing waiting to happen and isn't a safe person to have on a website frequented by other human beings (whom they explicitly hate).
Although you've been here longer than me, I would suggest you either leave, and spare yourself the torture of even the thinnest form of human interaction, or stop pretending you're an edgy nihilist sigma male or whatever it is you think you've got going on these days.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:20pm CDT
You're posting on a website devoted to toy collecting.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:20pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:And for the record I have never played well with others, never will and when $hit goes south I'll be one of the ones that survives because I can/will and have to do whatever it takes to survive regardless who I have to take out on the way.
You're posting on a website devoted to toy collecting.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
In a place and in a thread where so many others bring their sociopolitical crap that doesn't belong on a toy collecting website. I am a lot older and cynical than I used to be as the 50's have been rough and society is just getting worse.
Not edgy just sick and tired. Maybe if people would learn how not to be complete dicks to others things might get better but that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:And for the record I have never played well with others, never will and when $hit goes south I'll be one of the ones that survives because I can/will and have to do whatever it takes to survive regardless who I have to take out on the way.
You're posting on a website devoted to toy collecting.
In a place and in a thread where so many others bring their sociopolitical crap that doesn't belong on a toy collecting website. I am a lot older and cynical than I used to be as the 50's have been rough and society is just getting worse.
or stop pretending you're an edgy nihilist sigma male or whatever it is you think you've got going on these days.
Not edgy just sick and tired. Maybe if people would learn how not to be complete dicks to others things might get better but that isn't going to happen any time soon.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:26pm CDT
Mostly it's just the big Tyler Durden ripoff monologue would be cringe humor as it is, but with toy ads posted all around it it just looks kind of sad.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:26pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:And for the record I have never played well with others, never will and when $hit goes south I'll be one of the ones that survives because I can/will and have to do whatever it takes to survive regardless who I have to take out on the way.
You're posting on a website devoted to toy collecting.
In a place and a thread where so many others bring their sociopolitical crap that doesn't belong on a toy collecting website. I am a lot older and cynical than I used to be as the 50's have been rough.
Mostly it's just the big Tyler Durden ripoff monologue would be cringe humor as it is, but with toy ads posted all around it it just looks kind of sad.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:29pm CDT
Ah yes Fight club, saw it a couple times and nah his way wasn't the right way to go but unlikle the movie I am real. Like someone else said Thanos had it right. Don't care if it looks happy, sad, pathetic, whatever, others can say and spew whatever crap they want then so can I.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:29pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:Mostly it's just the big Tyler Durden ripoff monologue would be cringe humor as it is, but with toy ads posted all around it it just looks kind of sad.
Ah yes Fight club, saw it a couple times and nah his way wasn't the right way to go but unlikle the movie I am real. Like someone else said Thanos had it right. Don't care if it looks happy, sad, pathetic, whatever, others can say and spew whatever crap they want then so can I.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161345)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:30pm CDT
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:30pm CDT
One more thing..
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161346)
Posted by Burn on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:31pm CDT
Posted by Burn on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:31pm CDT
Hey look! Small pointless matter about something that doesn't really harm anyone has blown out of proportion!
Whodathunkit?
Whodathunkit?
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161347)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:45pm CDT
My issue isn't with this show its society & people. On that note I am out.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:45pm CDT
Burn wrote:Hey look! Small pointless matter about something that doesn't really harm anyone has blown out of proportion!
Whodathunkit?
My issue isn't with this show its society & people. On that note I am out.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:51pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:51pm CDT
Except it's not small and pointless. It's forced to become part of every day life for everyone by those who advocate for it with disregard of anyone else.Burn wrote:Hey look! Small pointless matter about something that doesn't really harm anyone has blown out of proportion!
Whodathunkit?
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Posted by Immortal Starscream on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CDT
Posted by Immortal Starscream on May 14th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CDT
This reminds me a bit of the longs years of back and forth about female transformers. The argument I remember most from that is "is a toaster a woman?" as the argument was generally machines cant actually have a gender, etc etc. My thought has always been, if they are well written and interesting characters in a compelling, interesting or fun story, then who really cares? I think nightshade is an interesting character, in a good show. though I was expecting the alt mode to be a bat.
There's real problems with real solutions that our politics could be working to fix. The sexuality of a cartoon machine toy commercial isn't something I would even put in the list of priorities.
Also this kinda thing has been in the comics now for years.
There's real problems with real solutions that our politics could be working to fix. The sexuality of a cartoon machine toy commercial isn't something I would even put in the list of priorities.
Also this kinda thing has been in the comics now for years.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161350)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 6:06pm CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 14th, 2023 @ 6:06pm CDT
FWIW, your comments sort of dug a nihilistic trench that might serve as a firebreak, so it'll be interesting to see if this thread doesn't go all the way to hell. Thanks C.B.Cyber Bishop wrote:Burn wrote:Hey look! Small pointless matter about something that doesn't really harm anyone has blown out of proportion!
Whodathunkit?
My issue isn't with this show its society & people. On that note I am out.
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CDT
I was going to basically say the same thing. Since the beginning, I've always thought of Transformers as They, Thems, or Its, just because they're robots and were only given human personalities and roles such as gender and race as a way to get as many eyes on the show and buy toys as possible. That's television and has been done since the dawn of the picture tube.
My issue with Earthspark and I'll admit I'm not as caught up on the show as I should be, is that having a character make an issue about pronouns is clearly trying to bring the larger debate to a kids' show, that's something I'm not OK with as it's taking decision making authority from parents over what they want their kids to know and when. This isn't the first time this has happened but this is the first time I've seen it brought up in the media. Sociopolitical issues, as has been stated have been a part of cartoons and comics for decades, the difference being that in the past it was done in such a way that it really made you think and didn't hit you over the head with the message. Does anyone remember "The Golden Lagoon" and "God Gambit?" They don't make shows like that anymore.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:00pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Until now. I've chosen to stay out of this thread because I'm just not fond of this show. I gave it a chance and its not for me. However Its not like I wish it not to exist. I dont worry about what I can't control.
However the news obviously was posted by a member of this site, so then conversation surrounding it has been given a greenlight. That's my interpretation at least.
Those that know me, know I am apolitical. I believe no human can govern competently, so I look to a close knit community of friends and those that share my faith for inspiration and encouragement, which has served me well.
AS for the obvious subject of Transgenderism that this show has decided to incorporate into itself. Well... it is what it is. Conservative Media (Like Liberal Media) will latch on to something, albeit a bit late to the party, it will make the rounds with all the talking heads, then be gone just as quickly as it came then move on to the next outrage.
AS for me personally, my kids are too old to care about this show, if not for me as a Transformers Fan, they wouldn't even know it exists. If however, we wound back the clocks a decade, and this was in their demo, They wouldn't watch it. It's not that I am so personally offended or outraged, it's just that I believe it is a very odd message to put in a show aimed at children.
Sure this is a show about fictional robots, so one could argue that they can literally be anything they want to be, but it is still an odd choice, considering (one would assume) these robots are not sexual in nature despite obviously having male and female personalities. That being said, I'm not going to tell anyone they cant watch it, or that they shouldn't let their kids watch. It seems to have an overall positive vibe and positive response from the fan community. However, everyone has to make the that decision for themselves. Personally, as I watched my young son grow up, and be enthralled by Rescue Bots in it's first couple of seasons, I really miss shows like that. Just My 2 cents.
I was going to basically say the same thing. Since the beginning, I've always thought of Transformers as They, Thems, or Its, just because they're robots and were only given human personalities and roles such as gender and race as a way to get as many eyes on the show and buy toys as possible. That's television and has been done since the dawn of the picture tube.
My issue with Earthspark and I'll admit I'm not as caught up on the show as I should be, is that having a character make an issue about pronouns is clearly trying to bring the larger debate to a kids' show, that's something I'm not OK with as it's taking decision making authority from parents over what they want their kids to know and when. This isn't the first time this has happened but this is the first time I've seen it brought up in the media. Sociopolitical issues, as has been stated have been a part of cartoons and comics for decades, the difference being that in the past it was done in such a way that it really made you think and didn't hit you over the head with the message. Does anyone remember "The Golden Lagoon" and "God Gambit?" They don't make shows like that anymore.
Re: Transformers are Fox News' Latest Outrage Target (2161355)
Posted by NeonPrime on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:06pm CDT
Posted by NeonPrime on May 14th, 2023 @ 7:06pm CDT
I watched the news clip a day or so ago and was wondering if or when there'd be a thread, lol. For the record, The Earthspark clip discussing non-binary pronouns was cringy and eye-rolling even with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek.
Transformers have always been political albeit in-universe. Autobot: "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." and Decepticon: "Peace through tyranny." Robots on both sides fall somewhere in between far red/Bots & purple/Cons, moderates, or independents. Both sides believe they are the good guys. Make of that what you will and draw any human parallels you wish. But, it's that character depth and storytelling that has made it so beloved and carried the brand for almost 40 years.
Gender and relationships also have been part of Transformers lore. Whether it was the Arcee-Hot Rod-Springer love triangle in G1 or the Cyclonus-Tailgait dynamic in modern comics. Even the robot-human alliances explored pack an emotional punch from time to time.
For the most part, these themes were introduced to a demographic that already had a basic sense of defined boundaries. As a result, they could intellectualize, debate, and articulate their stance on a particular topic.
Earthspark is generally geared toward a younger audience that is impressionable and not ready for more mature gray/blurred ideas like pronouns. Personally, it does seem like woke grooming and I totally understand any parental outrage. It's a slippery slope indeed.
Hasbro's decision to allow Woke/WEF idealogy reminds me of MGA Entertainment's LOL Dolls. My little girl loved them. Then in late 2019/early 2020, I noticed these toys started looking more like blow-up dolls and hookers. On one trip to Target, my lil girl picked out a new LOL boy blind figure. Imagine MY SURPRISE when we get home and find the doll actually has a penis. To this day my son, who is older, still laughs about hearing my reaction from upstairs. Needless to say, MGA lost my business. Several weeks later we were at the same Target and another mother was overheard expressing her disdain over the brand as well.
All that said, will I call for or support a boycott of Hasbro? Time will tell. After all the windowless packaging was a woke/WEF move that had nothing to do with saving the planet but to boost their ESG score. Fans/collectors protested and Hasbro is correcting course. Will I throw shade on those that do or don't? No. For now, I'll remain patient and reserve judgment until the data is in. However, in light of recent corporate directives, I would caution Hasbro that to go woke is to go broke. NEVER FORGET the old Toys R Us slogan "Where a kid can be a kid" and not a socio-political pawn for money or virtue signaling.
Til all are one!
Transformers have always been political albeit in-universe. Autobot: "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." and Decepticon: "Peace through tyranny." Robots on both sides fall somewhere in between far red/Bots & purple/Cons, moderates, or independents. Both sides believe they are the good guys. Make of that what you will and draw any human parallels you wish. But, it's that character depth and storytelling that has made it so beloved and carried the brand for almost 40 years.
Gender and relationships also have been part of Transformers lore. Whether it was the Arcee-Hot Rod-Springer love triangle in G1 or the Cyclonus-Tailgait dynamic in modern comics. Even the robot-human alliances explored pack an emotional punch from time to time.
For the most part, these themes were introduced to a demographic that already had a basic sense of defined boundaries. As a result, they could intellectualize, debate, and articulate their stance on a particular topic.
Earthspark is generally geared toward a younger audience that is impressionable and not ready for more mature gray/blurred ideas like pronouns. Personally, it does seem like woke grooming and I totally understand any parental outrage. It's a slippery slope indeed.
Hasbro's decision to allow Woke/WEF idealogy reminds me of MGA Entertainment's LOL Dolls. My little girl loved them. Then in late 2019/early 2020, I noticed these toys started looking more like blow-up dolls and hookers. On one trip to Target, my lil girl picked out a new LOL boy blind figure. Imagine MY SURPRISE when we get home and find the doll actually has a penis. To this day my son, who is older, still laughs about hearing my reaction from upstairs. Needless to say, MGA lost my business. Several weeks later we were at the same Target and another mother was overheard expressing her disdain over the brand as well.
All that said, will I call for or support a boycott of Hasbro? Time will tell. After all the windowless packaging was a woke/WEF move that had nothing to do with saving the planet but to boost their ESG score. Fans/collectors protested and Hasbro is correcting course. Will I throw shade on those that do or don't? No. For now, I'll remain patient and reserve judgment until the data is in. However, in light of recent corporate directives, I would caution Hasbro that to go woke is to go broke. NEVER FORGET the old Toys R Us slogan "Where a kid can be a kid" and not a socio-political pawn for money or virtue signaling.
Til all are one!
