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GrimSqueaker wrote:Again that just proves my point! If u draw a guide in pencil first, then u can knock out the second drawing in pen and ta-da no ilttle eraser lines, because u didnt have to erase!

A light pencil will rub out without leaving marks, or a nonphotographic blue or red will eliminate the need for rubbing out at all!

In the drawing hereu can see the guideline version and the finished pen drawing, although i havent rubbed out any pencil yet-that oughta give ya an idea of the use it can be-particuylarly in anything with spheres, checkout the knobs on his chest!

I know what guideliens are and how they can help

I just personally dont like to use them all the time. Im happy with the way i draw at the moment, and im not striving to be the best and quickest out there. I just do it for fun or to keep my mind busy when i havnt got anything else to do.

This is how ive been doing things for years and im comfortable with it. If i NEED the guidelines i will use them, but if not then i wont.

Im self taught, ive made alot of money out of it so i must be doing something right so why fix it if it aint broke?

Ive never used a blue or red pen either, and i see no point in doing so, because i can eliminate all eraser marks with one click of a mouse if i want to.

Since all my pictures that i finish go through a "post production" phase, things like eraser marks dont take long to get rid of if you arent opposed to using the pc for more than looking at porn.

Welllllllllll!

heh heh, fair point i aint ur teacher, so sod it anyways-did u check out my other pics?

GrimSqueaker wrote:Welllllllllll!

heh heh, fair point i aint ur teacher, so sod it anyways-did u check out my other pics?

Oh, did that coem off as being a bit funny then? Im sorry if it did sicne you said "wellllll" like that...i didnt mean to sound rude or anything, i just hate being told how i can improve on stuff when i really have no need or desire to do so.

I also have a real burning hatred towards anyone who tries to tell me what to do, as well as a very short fuse.

Mix the two together and you have one helluva walking atomic bomb for a milkshake on your hands!

I guess those pills the doctor gave me arent working then...

So again i apologize.

And yes, i did see the other pics. Quite nice work, especially considering the speed in which you can draw them. Something i envy i must admit is speed, but it seems im stuck with being a slow poke since nothing i have tried has helped that aspect.

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Welllllllllll!

heh heh, fair point i aint ur teacher, so sod it anyways-did u check out my other pics?

Oh, did that coem off as being a bit funny then? Im sorry if it did sicne you said "wellllll" like that...i didnt mean to sound rude or anything, i just hate being told how i can improve on stuff when i really have no need or desire to do so.

I also have a real burning hatred towards anyone who tries to tell me what to do, as well as a very short fuse.

Mix the two together and you have one helluva walking atomic bomb for a milkshake on your hands!

I guess those pills the doctor gave me arent working then...

So again i apologize.

And yes, i did see the other pics. Quite nice work, especially considering the speed in which you can draw them. Something i envy i must admit is speed, but it seems im stuck with being a slow poke since nothing i have tried has helped that aspect.

Personnally i think u should always try to improve urself-i know i am better than i was thsi time last year, and i hope to be better again this time next year!

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Welllllllllll!

heh heh, fair point i aint ur teacher, so sod it anyways-did u check out my other pics?

Oh, did that coem off as being a bit funny then? Im sorry if it did sicne you said "wellllll" like that...i didnt mean to sound rude or anything, i just hate being told how i can improve on stuff when i really have no need or desire to do so.

I also have a real burning hatred towards anyone who tries to tell me what to do, as well as a very short fuse.

Mix the two together and you have one helluva walking atomic bomb for a milkshake on your hands!

I guess those pills the doctor gave me arent working then...

So again i apologize.

And yes, i did see the other pics. Quite nice work, especially considering the speed in which you can draw them. Something i envy i must admit is speed, but it seems im stuck with being a slow poke since nothing i have tried has helped that aspect.

Personnally i think u should always try to improve urself-i know i am better than i was thsi time last year, and i hope to be better again this time next year!

I did for a few years, got me to where i am now slowley, but i simply dont care anymore really. If you dont have the drive or desire to be better, than how can one improve at all?

Its all a mental game.

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Welllllllllll!

heh heh, fair point i aint ur teacher, so sod it anyways-did u check out my other pics?

Oh, did that coem off as being a bit funny then? Im sorry if it did sicne you said "wellllll" like that...i didnt mean to sound rude or anything, i just hate being told how i can improve on stuff when i really have no need or desire to do so.

I also have a real burning hatred towards anyone who tries to tell me what to do, as well as a very short fuse.

Mix the two together and you have one helluva walking atomic bomb for a milkshake on your hands!

I guess those pills the doctor gave me arent working then...

So again i apologize.

And yes, i did see the other pics. Quite nice work, especially considering the speed in which you can draw them. Something i envy i must admit is speed, but it seems im stuck with being a slow poke since nothing i have tried has helped that aspect.

Personnally i think u should always try to improve urself-i know i am better than i was thsi time last year, and i hope to be better again this time next year!

I did for a few years, got me to where i am now slowley, but i simply dont care anymore really. If you dont have the drive or desire to be better, than how can one improve at all?

Its all a mental game.

no offence, but that sounds kinda depressing, If you dont have the drive or desire to be better- sounds kinda....sad

GrimSqueaker wrote:no offence, but that sounds kinda depressing, If you dont have the drive or desire to be better- sounds kinda....sad

Im depressing? Youve only JUST figured that out? Might have something to do with the fact that i AM depressed maybe?

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:no offence, but that sounds kinda depressing, If you dont have the drive or desire to be better- sounds kinda....sad

Im depressing? Youve only JUST figured that out? Might have something to do with the fact that i AM depressed maybe?

Well drop it-its deprs.......eh.......well u get the idea, it just aint fun. i learned a long time ago, what is it they say in shashank? "You either get busy living or you get busy dying!"-u reeally gotta grab life by the balls! Enjoy it and smile because the worst is yet to happen, unless the worst has happened in which case party, because the worst has happened and you survived!!!!


So the comic eh? I enjoy writting aswell, i wouldnt mind pitching in with the dialog. And someone should be responisble for storyboarding, breaking the process up will ensure an even type of art, and a much faster production.

GrimSqueaker wrote:Well drop it-its deprs.......eh.......well u get the idea, it just aint fun. i learned a long time ago, what is it they say in shashank? "You either get busy living or you get busy dying!"-u reeally gotta grab life by the balls! Enjoy it and smile because the worst is yet to happen, unless the worst has happened in which case party, because the worst has happened and you survived!!!!


So the comic eh? I enjoy writting aswell, i wouldnt mind pitching in with the dialog. And someone should be responisble for storyboarding, breaking the process up will ensure an even type of art, and a much faster production.

Heh, its easier to be upbeat and positive like that, its ALOT harder to remain that way for more than a micro second. Trust me, i HAVE tried numorous times.

Anyway, if someone has to storyboard then someone who can draw really quickly would be best suited to that wouldnt they?

Im not trying to give roles out here as i think we should all just work on what we are best at, but wouldnt you be best for storyboard work since your so fast?

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Well drop it-its deprs.......eh.......well u get the idea, it just aint fun. i learned a long time ago, what is it they say in shashank? "You either get busy living or you get busy dying!"-u reeally gotta grab life by the balls! Enjoy it and smile because the worst is yet to happen, unless the worst has happened in which case party, because the worst has happened and you survived!!!!


So the comic eh? I enjoy writting aswell, i wouldnt mind pitching in with the dialog. And someone should be responisble for storyboarding, breaking the process up will ensure an even type of art, and a much faster production.

Heh, its easier to be upbeat and positive like that, its ALOT harder to remain that way for more than a micro second. Trust me, i HAVE tried numorous times.

Anyway, if someone has to storyboard then someone who can draw really quickly would be best suited to that wouldnt they?

Im not trying to give roles out here as i think we should all just work on what we are best at, but wouldnt you be best for storyboard work since your so fast?

Yeah cool, i dig story boarding! i love working out dynamic posses and setting up scenes, would some one else pencil and ink-or would the story board be the penciling-hypotetically?

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Well drop it-its deprs.......eh.......well u get the idea, it just aint fun. i learned a long time ago, what is it they say in shashank? "You either get busy living or you get busy dying!"-u reeally gotta grab life by the balls! Enjoy it and smile because the worst is yet to happen, unless the worst has happened in which case party, because the worst has happened and you survived!!!!


So the comic eh? I enjoy writting aswell, i wouldnt mind pitching in with the dialog. And someone should be responisble for storyboarding, breaking the process up will ensure an even type of art, and a much faster production.

Heh, its easier to be upbeat and positive like that, its ALOT harder to remain that way for more than a micro second. Trust me, i HAVE tried numorous times.

Anyway, if someone has to storyboard then someone who can draw really quickly would be best suited to that wouldnt they?

Im not trying to give roles out here as i think we should all just work on what we are best at, but wouldnt you be best for storyboard work since your so fast?

Yeah cool, i dig story boarding! i love working out dynamic posses and setting up scenes, would some one else pencil and ink-or would the story board be the penciling-hypotetically?

I would assume that the storyboard would only need to be a completed pencil sketch, there wouldnt be much point in inking what is basically supposed to be a rough guide as to what everyone else needs to be drawing, and wouldnt be shown in the comic?

Just checking what level of story board is needed-if is to be simple it could possibly be done by a compotent writter-rather than another person trying to reinterpert it.

Although i wouldnt mind doing it and the pencils, leaving ink and colour to others with more time-one person doing pencils would also give the piece more unity, as their would be less diviation, it sucks when art fluxuates from page to page

GrimSqueaker wrote:Just checking what level of story board is needed-if is to be simple it could possibly be done by a compotent writter-rather than another person trying to reinterpert it.

Although i wouldnt mind doing it and the pencils, leaving ink and colour to others with more time-one person doing pencils would also give the piece more unity, as their would be less diviation, it sucks when art fluxuates from page to page

Each artist culd do one chapter, that way we could realese them faster and it would give each chapter it's very own stile and tuch.

Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

Sylus wrote:Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

Wat hard work? We'r waiting for commands master Sylus!

Dead Metal wrote:

Sylus wrote:Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

Wat hard work? We'r waiting for commands master Sylus!

And I'm waiting to get a place for us to post in private so we can post up storyboards without the general public fandom finding out and ruining the surprises/plots/etc.

Sylus wrote:Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

I just noticed my bulk (spam) email folder was full of replies from here, when usually they go to my regular inbox. Maybe thats what has happened to you hence why you didnt notice them?

Sonray wrote:

Sylus wrote:Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

I just noticed my bulk (spam) email folder was full of replies from here, when usually they go to my regular inbox. Maybe thats what has happened to you hence why you didnt notice them?

No that's not it, I always put forums I'm part of on my safe list so they head directly into my inbox and msn messenger is always running so I pretty much know when a thread of mine has been responded to or I have received a new PM.

Sylus wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Sylus wrote:Wow, 3 pages have been added since I last posted. Sorry about the delayed response, for some reason Seibertron hasn't been emailing me about new posts. I will go over all 3 new pages later on today when I get a chance. Thanks for all the input and hard work.

I just noticed my bulk (spam) email folder was full of replies from here, when usually they go to my regular inbox. Maybe thats what has happened to you hence why you didnt notice them?

No that's not it, I always put forums I'm part of on my safe list so they head directly into my inbox and msn messenger is always running so I pretty much know when a thread of mine has been responded to or I have received a new PM.

Hmm..mine keeps going into my damned bulk folder...dunno why.

GrimSqueaker wrote:Why doesnt some on set the site up provisionally as a forum at http://www.freeforums.org, they are bloody great-i have one set up for my zombie role play game (see sig) and i gotta say i am quite happy with their system-although they are doing maintance which means the site can go down, on the other hand the are doing maintance, which means they give a **** about their site!

just to reiterate or the benifit of the brainbot

I just noticed Sylus reappeared recently, has he gone again now? If you are still here Sylus, do you know how long it's going to be till the discussion site is up, or how long until we start working on the comic?

Optimus Frimal wrote:I just noticed Sylus reappeared recently, has he gone again now? If you are still here Sylus, do you know how long it's going to be till the discussionnsite is up, or how long until we start working on the comic?

Sylus has asked me to handle it-i am a little swamped at the moment, but it will definatly be up in the next, oh lets say 10 days-ish

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Optimus Frimal wrote:I just noticed Sylus reappeared recently, has he gone again now? If you are still here Sylus, do you know how long it's going to be till the discussionnsite is up, or how long until we start working on the comic?

Sylus has asked me to handle it-i am a little swamped at the moment, but it will definatly be up in the next, oh lets say 10 days-ish

The site or the comic?

The site i would hope...

Sonray wrote:The site i would hope...

Hopefully