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Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Burn » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:53 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:You seem to agree with the concept of black lives matter

To me, yeah, all lives matter. There's a reason that Bill & Ted quote is part of the rules, because it's what I try to believe in, "Be excellent to each other". But some people need a bit more help than others.

Unfortunately like pretty much every movement, it gets twisted around and the real message is lost.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby High Command » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:56 pm

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I'll be brief as my intent in my previous post asking lots of questions wasn't the lengthly rebuttals rather an effort in trying to change minds by introspection rather than by hectoring.

I too am an outsider looking in on the US. I'm a Brit. We have our own major problems with racism here but also those wanting to see it end. There's been BLM protests in the UK, the Netherlands and other European nations protesting against our own systemic racism as well as what we've seen from the US.

ShadowKatt, if you keep being called a racist in other communities, is it not a better idea to reflect on why they are doing that? A thread dedicated to racism being a bad thing is not a good place for a debate.

I just want to end on expressing a few simple statements that don't need caveats or exceptions.

Racism is evil and needs to be fought.
Fascism is evil and needs to be fought.
They aren't just things of the past that can be forgotten about, they are still affecting people's lives every day.

Black Lives Matter.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Rodimus Prime wrote:You seem to agree with the concept of black lives matter

To me, yeah, all lives matter. There's a reason that Bill & Ted quote is part of the rules, because it's what I try to believe in, "Be excellent to each other". But some people need a bit more help than others.

Unfortunately like pretty much every movement, it gets twisted around and the real message is lost.


And those who corrupt the movement are at the forefront and are the loudest, ruining it for everyone.

Hat's off to the genuine protesters who denounce the violence made in their name.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:04 pm

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Burn wrote:Unfortunately like pretty much every movement, it gets twisted around and the real message is lost.
My point exactly. My recidivism comes from the fact that when I try to point that out, I get bundled in with the ignorant segments who view equality as somehow a threat to their pride or well-being, simply because they're insecure.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby 1984forever » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:09 pm

I live in Brooklyn, N.Y. and I’ve seen the protests first hand.

Last Friday night on the corner of DeKalb and Classon Avenues protestors scrambled across the hood of my car. I saw a woman mace a white shirt (NYPD supervisor), and a mob of cops rush to take her down. There were police vans covered in graffiti of every color. They had flats and broken windows. Later I found out that protestors had tried to rush the precinct doors. I ran into them again last Sunday night on the Brooklyn Bridge. I was the third car that they let pass before the took over the roadway and I honked my support.

Police, whether driven by quotas, racism, or plain old power trips need more oversight. I can tell you from 1st hand experience that the NYPD operates like a gang. I’ve had numerous run-ins with them since the age of 15 (about 1-2 times a year) but somehow have yet to spend more than one night in jail. I beat a “driving in a bus lane” ticket (No cars 4-7pm) from these jokers back in Jan. The cop falsified the time on the ticket and continued to lie up until video evidence was shown (I entered the bus lane at 7:02 and was stopped at 7:03. The cop put 6:59 on the ticket). These guys are corrupt. There are no good cops IMO as long as they don’t police the bad ones.

Yes, there is looting. People have lost jobs due to the pandemic. I’ve been in over 300 homes since this thing started. People are broke, depressed, drunk and angry. The gangs have come out to take advantage of the chaos, along with the professional agitators or anarchists or whatever you want to call them. But that’s the government’s fault. They should have seen this coming. It’s a new era. They’ve wronged a lot of people and it’s easier now for those that they’ve wronged to coordinate and rise up against them.

The big box stores that were looted have insurance and some of the smaller stores probably wouldn’t have reopened anyway. It’s hard for a business to social distance in a city that charges by the square foot. I’m not waiting on a long line to purchase anything. I’ll either by it from someplace else, order online, or go without.

I have scuff marks on my hood. I guess I’ll use this second stimulus to get it repainted. Everybody’s feeling a little pain, but it’s for a good cause. This past Thursday evening I heard the protestors chanting at the Barclays and even though it was 15 minutes before curfew, I parked my car and walked back 7 blocks to join them. It felt good.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Skritz » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:31 pm

My last thoughts on this: looking into it, this is very much an American problem. I'm not saying an asshole or bigoted cop cannot or does not exist elsewhere, but this level of utter violence from both the criminal elements of society and the cops in the USA seems completely overblown from what I see in Canada. I've never seen or experienced anyone I know getting attacked or mobbed by cops, even those who did get arrested (warranted arrest or not). Nor have I ever experienced gang warfare.

There is a major component in there which seems to be uniquely rooted in some problem, somewhere, in the American police, judicial system and/or the politics of law enforcements because the worst stories I can ever recall from my area was police waging war on the Hell's Angels which are a primarily white biker gang/criminal cartel. I don't know wtf you guys got in the water that makes your society so aggressive and paranoid but there is clearly something that make you guys go nuttier than most other places in the Western world.

I'm not saying there isn't a grain of truth to all this but seeing people from my area suddenly act in lockstep as if suddenly we were living in New York or the deep south is silly when you live in an area where cop and gang-related violence is fairly low. This is a cultural issue of the US and it should not spill everywhere else.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby X3ROhour » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:57 pm

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Police brutality, arrogance, and constant overstep is a real and true issue.
Regardless of race.
Wrong is just wrong.
Law Enforcement is to be lauded and commended at every opportunity.
Soldiers, warriors, counselors, and peacemakers.
Worthy of applause, appreciation and respect.
But because of these factors, a Lawnan or woman
must acquit themselves to the highest of standards.
When one fails to do so - especially by choices made - these bastions of greatness become as to the loathsome and base creatures they have sworn to defeat.
This cannot and shall not be tolerated any longer.

I am not black.
I have been on the receiving end of an officer's wrath.
I don't know if that matters,
but I do know

WRONG IS WRONG

BLACK LIVES MATTER
JUST AS MUCH AS MINE

I CAN'T BREATHE

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby macsumner » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:16 pm

Thank you for posting this. And whilst it is disappointing to see some other readers protest and debate your post, it's much more comforting to know there are more who support your stance. It means I've been coming to the right Transformers site all this time.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:26 pm

It is next to impoasible for black people or even 'black allies' to communicate "peacefully" in America.

If they speak to their friends, their friends (on places like this website) tend to tell them it's not the time/place for it, and that they should go somewhere else to talk about it.

If they try to address social justice themes in their work, where people might see it, they're told 'get woke, go broke,' by "fans" that flip out over being made uncomfortable.

If they get together to talk about it among themselves, and, say, petition their legislators about specific issues, they get form letters blowing them off.

If they try to mobilize to vote people out of office, they have to navigate ridiculous, petty 'anti voter fraud' measures designed to target their communities.

If they get people to the polls, gerrymandered districts minimize their communities' impacts on the election.

If they symbolically express their frustration by opting out of trivial niceties (e.g., not standing for the National Anthem), they're lazy.

If they symbolically express their frustration by performing a different action (e.g., kneeling before the flag), they hate America and its armed forces.

If they take to the streets to march, people rage about the inconvenience of driving around them.

If they go downtown to protest, people get nervous and the cops blockade the streets.

If the cops attack them, they're accused of attacking the cops.

If they participate in an unorganized movement (e.g., Antifa) they're responsible for everything *anyone* in the leaderless mob does.

If they participate in an organized movement (e.g., BLM) without a charismatic central leader to speak for them, then they're terrorists.

If they find a charismatic leader to speak for them, he ends up dead.

Even disregarding the antiBLM individuals sabotaging the movement by disrupting the protests, looting and burning isn't a form of protest, it's what happens when you tell a large cross-section of the populace that they need to sit down and shut up about what's being done to them, and remove all options for doing otherwise.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:53 pm

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I thought making political posts was against the rules. Guess that doesnt matter when youre the site owner though, huh?

I had a whole big post typed out but honestly....just not touchin this one.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -WonkoTheSane- » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:01 pm

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Z3ROhour wrote:WRONG IS WRONG

BLACK LIVES MATTER
JUSTCAS MUCH AS MINE

I CAN'T BREATHE

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


I agree. I'll probably get yelled at, But I can't see this as a problem of race.
I see it as a problem of humanity.
This is being (IMO wrongly) politicized by many.
Republicans, Democrats-whatever- As humans we should all be disgusted by this.
I don't care what color George Floyd was, Nobody should have to die that way.
The whole situation was handled horribly by the cop.
He committed murder, Plain and simple.
He should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.
If Floyd wasn't black would the media cover it the same way?
I doubt it.
I know for a fact, However, I'd be just as sickened.

I honestly don't want to live in a country where this can happen.
Speaking of which, I have absolutely no problem with the protesters.
I encourage it- BUT when these protests turn violent-That is, Into riots- This is wrong, And helping no one.
Those people are opportunists, Plain and simple.
All they are doing, Is convincing racists (who often generalize (Eg, This person is this way, All must be)) that they were right all along, And possibly even creating more racists,
Thus proving counterproductive to the whole thing.
To sum it all up, This whole situation is a mess, And everyone should be disgusted by it.
Much like you, Z3ROhour, I too can't breath.
Enough is enough.
Again, I don't want to live in a country where this can happen to anyone.
I'm thinking about moving away.
It's hateful and mean-spirited (on all sides) and I don't like it here anymore.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Solipsist » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:35 pm

I had hoped this site would keep politics out of its forums and boards. BLM is at best the black answer to the KKK and with The President announcing that BOTH ANTIFA AND BLM will soon be designated as "Known Terrorist Organizations", I find every person and group, company, etc stating some sort of "Virtue Signalling" and lame support and best wishes type of rhetoric to be part of the problem. The KKK was created by Dixiecrats and now BLM has also been created by Dixiecrats, even if they don't call themselves that anymore! Dems openly support Terrorists and if you support them as well then you are part of the problem for not being educated enough to see the parallels between what the old Dems did and what the contemporary Dems have done. WHY CAN WE NOT KEEP POLITICS OFF AN ENTERTAINMENT WEBSITE??? I feel betrayed and disgusted by the moderators who would inject this slimy topic into a board about something comforting I have had since I was a kid. This is NOT the place for Social Experimentation and attempted Brainwashing of the vulnerable masses who do not understand what Stockholm Syndrome even is! If you lock me out, FINE! BUT I had to tell you first that you suck for bringing politics into this otherwise somber forum! I pray for your misguided souls that you wake up!
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:37 pm

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Dr. Caelus wrote:If they speak to their friends, their friends (on places like this website) tend to tell them it's not the time/place for it, and that they should go somewhere else to talk about it.
Is this based on personal experience? Because it can't (or shouldn't) be a generalization. It doesn't happen everywhere. I know this for a fact, because I have black people around me in both a professional and social setting, and I have never refused to speak to them about these things, not out of discomfort or anything else. And any time a discussion took place, I learned something from it.
If they get together to talk about it among themselves, and, say, petition their legislators about specific issues, they get form letters blowing them off.
One of the symptoms of a corrupt government on all levels. Where the wrath of these marginalized segments of society should be focused.
If they try to mobilize to vote people out of office, they have to navigate ridiculous, petty 'anti voter fraud' measures designed to target their communities.
Such as?
If they get people to the polls, gerrymandered districts minimize their communities' impacts on the election.
Another symptom of corrupt government that should be addressed.
If they symbolically express their frustration by opting out of trivial niceties (e.g., not standing for the National Anthem), they're lazy.
It's a personal choice they're all entitled to. Doesn't mean everyone has to approve of it as a method of protest. And just because one doesn't, it doesn't mean that person doesn't agree with the message. Only the method of delivery of that message.
If they symbolically express their frustration by performing a different action (e.g., kneeling before the flag), they hate America and its armed forces.
Same as above.
If they take to the streets to march, people rage about the inconvenience of driving around them.
Some might, yes. But I think the majority of drivers rage about their vehicles getting damaged and even destroyed, simply because they happen to be in the vicinity.
If they go downtown to protest, people get nervous and the cops blockade the streets.
In most places, that's law enforcement policy, approved by the local or state government. You disapprove? Have the policy changed.
If the cops attack them, they're accused of attacking the cops.
Goes both ways.
If they participate in an unorganized movement (e.g., Antifa) they're responsible for everything *anyone* in the leaderless mob does.
That's the thing about covering their faces to prevent identity. Their covered faces become their identity, and if one member of this so-called "movement" does something destructive to another person, accountability can be placed on all members through this shared identity.
If they find a charismatic leader to speak for them, he ends up dead.
The closest they got to a leader like that was colin kapernik, and he didn't die, just sold them out.
Even disregarding the antiBLM individuals sabotaging the movement by disrupting the protests, looting and burning isn't a form of protest, it's what happens when you tell a large cross-section of the populace that they need to sit down and shut up about what's being done to them, and remove all options for doing otherwise.
Yes, destroying your own community and it's economic structure is the only option they had. Please. As I said above, and in previous posts: this systemic discrimination is exactly that. Systemic. Therefore, these attacks need to be directed toward the system, set up long ago by the people who constructed the socio-economic structure of this country, which was continued by subsequent generations. In short, the federal and state governments. Not other innocent people who are part of this structure just like the oppressed segments are. They want to loot and burn things to get their points across? Do it against police stations, courthouses, and prisons. Not neighborhood mom and pop stores that rely on them for business and on which they rely for supplies in return. Destruction and stealing in their own neighborhoods is inexcusable, unintelligent and ineffective. They do damage to themselves more than anyone else.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Seibertron » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:43 pm

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Decepti_Tom » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:49 pm

No Lives Matter until Black Lives Matter

Though its come to my attention that a lot of white people are offended by that term. I am only now aware how their white skin is a constant reminder of their second class citizenry. How being white is constantly being used against them when it comes to jobs, housing, and universities. I was ignorant to the fact that white people were colonized and subjugated all their lives. And the poor American whites who have suffered greatly under the dictatorship of general Barack Obama. They were forced to use back doors, segregated into projects, while the blacks lived in suburban paradises.
The Cops run a muck, and regularly shot innocent white people. Where white peoples right to suffrage was forcefully removed and they were beaten, harassed, and shamed in the streets.
And don't get me started on how white people were treated by those awful awful Native Americans.
In conclusion. Thank god the white people now have a genius like Donald Trump to protect the horribly oppressed white communities.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby william-james88 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:50 pm

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ShadowKatt wrote:I don't disagree with Ryan's position in all of this, only what it's done to the community here. The response should never have been this toxic or straight up hateful, in either direction. Can't be undone now though.

This thread has, to simplify it, has gone the exact same way every other political thread has gone.

One view is presented, then an opposing view is presented, and so it goes back and forth.


Honestly, I find that so weird. Why would anyone oppose someone stating that we should remember to care for black people and that their lives matter? If people have to start debating whether or not the lives of black people matter, then I think that's reason enough to remind them.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Decepti_Tom » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:54 pm

My previous post being satire. I stand by my fellows of any race and believe Black Lives Matter and I'm sick of the racial injustice. I'm pleased this site is making a message, and those who have a problem with it have to wake and smell the roses that Black Lives Matter isnt about them. Its about George Floyd, and many of our Black Brothers and Sisters who have felt the suffocating knee of systemic oppression. We want All Lives to Matter, but like I said, No Lives Matter until Black Lives Matter.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:08 pm

I don't have the time to get in a back-and-forth with people I know won't change their minds, but this absolutely needs to be addressed:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:If they speak to their friends, their friends (on places like this website) tend to tell them it's not the time/place for it, and that they should go somewhere else to talk about it.


Is this based on personal experience? Because it can't (or shouldn't) be a generalization. It doesn't happen everywhere. I know this for a fact, because I have black people around me in both a professional and social setting, and I have never refused to speak to them about these things, not out of discomfort or anything else. And any time a discussion took place, I learned something from it.


Hypocrisy.

I'm not black, but I've been alienated, ostracized, or censured enough times for speaking up about these issues and others, to be extraordinarily frustrated, and that's with the benefit of white privilege shielding me from rebukes and winning me credibility with other white people.

But because you're certain you are not guilty of driving people away, because you anecdotally have an exception to the rule, you are prepared to say, 'No, you're generalizing, so this doesn't count,' as if its only racism if 100% of white people are dicks to people of color.

You say the whole argument is null because you've seen exceptions, and object to generalizations. So, how does that fit with your, 'protesters don't deserve our respect because they're vandals, arsonists, and looters' attitude?

I went to a Black Lives Matter protest on Tuesday. No fires, no smashed windows, no injuries. Someone had heat stroke, and there were some creepy white guys watching the protest with binoculars, which seemed ominous, but the protest was 100% peaceful.

So, by your own logic, if some (most) BLM protests do not become destructive, then any 'generalizations' to the contrary must surely be rebuked, and anyone derailing constructive discussion by incessantly returning the topic to the actions of people that BLM has no control over should likely be seen as contributing to the defense of a racist system.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:16 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Burn wrote:
ShadowKatt wrote:I don't disagree with Ryan's position in all of this, only what it's done to the community here. The response should never have been this toxic or straight up hateful, in either direction. Can't be undone now though.

This thread has, to simplify it, has gone the exact same way every other political thread has gone.

One view is presented, then an opposing view is presented, and so it goes back and forth.


Honestly, I find that so weird. Why would anyone oppose someone stating that we should remember to care for black people and that their lives matter? If people have to start debating whether or not the lives of black people matter, then I think that's reason enough to remind them.
Because unfortunately the concept is no longer by itself. If only it were. I think we ALL agree that black lives matter. But now there are so many ideas and actipns attached to it, some in this thread felt the need to qualify them, and that's where the debate (because so far that's what this is, no matter how heated it got) started. Maybe Ryan made the opening post and he expected everyone to just agree down the line, which is what would/should have happened if he had just asked "do black lives matter to you?" Which is really what he did ask in an elaborate way. But again, this phrase has become an organic rallying cry for the oppressed subjects of systemic discrimination, and as all things organic, it grew. To different people, some parts remained pure, some didn't. And again, that's where the debate comes in.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Burn » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:19 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:I thought making political posts was against the rules. Guess that doesnt matter when youre the site owner though, huh?


That is correct.

Actually ... we do not have any rules against political posts. I'm not sure why people have the impression such discussions are prohibited here, but they're not.

They just generally end up locked after the first page because people simply cannot have a constructive debate without insults flying about.

I'm all for them as long as people can keep 'em civil.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby blueridgefox » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:21 pm

Well I didn’t think I’d see seibertron.com go political be here we are. Look, I’m with you on stamping out racism in any form, but this site just isn’t the place, whatever your justification is. We should be able to come here, free of the societal woes and just enjoy our hobby. We don’t need a lecture from a site admin on why we should feel guilty about an incident that we can all agree was horrible. Please do yourself a favor and regroup whatever personal dignity you have left and run the site as it pertains to the Transformers hobby. There is nobility in actions, not virtue signaling to obtain blue check marks from people who claim to occupy the moral high ground to get sites like yours to bend the knee for the sake of political correctness. BTW, congratulations, you’ve ended racism.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:24 pm

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Dr. Caelus wrote:I don't have the time to get in a back-and-forth with people I know won't change their minds, but this absolutely needs to be addressed:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:If they speak to their friends, their friends (on places like this website) tend to tell them it's not the time/place for it, and that they should go somewhere else to talk about it.


Is this based on personal experience? Because it can't (or shouldn't) be a generalization. It doesn't happen everywhere. I know this for a fact, because I have black people around me in both a professional and social setting, and I have never refused to speak to them about these things, not out of discomfort or anything else. And any time a discussion took place, I learned something from it.


Hypocrisy.

I'm not black, but I've been alienated, ostracized, or censured enough times for speaking up about these issues and others, to be extraordinarily frustrated, and that's with the benefit of white privilege shielding me from rebukes and winning me credibility with other white people.

But because you're certain you are not guilty of driving people away, because you anecdotally have an exception to the rule, you are prepared to say, 'No, you're generalizing, so this doesn't count,' as if its only racism if 100% of white people are dicks to people of color.

You say the whole argument is null because you've seen exceptions, and object to generalizations. So, how does that fit with your, 'protesters don't deserve our respect because they're vandals, arsonists, and looters' attitude?

I went to a Black Lives Matter protest on Tuesday. No fires, no smashed windows, no injuries. Someone had heat stroke, and there were some creepy white guys watching the protest with binoculars, which seemed ominous, but the protest was 100% peaceful.

So, by your own logic, if some (most) BLM protests do not become destructive, then any 'generalizations' to the contrary must surely be rebuked, and anyone derailing constructive discussion by incessantly returning the topic to the actions of people that BLM has no control over should likely be seen as contributing to the defense of a racist system.
No. Just no.

You're taking 2 separate things and trying to turn them into one. I never once said ALL protesters were vandals and thugs. I specified those who are destructive. Which not all of them are. Don't get yourself confused in your haste to disprove me.

And my previous point only reinforces yours. You have been alienated and ostracized for speaking up on these issues. I have been part of discussions with both those who agree and disagree. I live in South Georgia, there are plenty of ignorant country hicks atound me screaming "'MURICA!!!" any time social issues come up. Can you call that alienation? I don't know. Maybe. When people of my own race look down on me when I disagree with them on things, what is that called?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dark Starscream » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:52 pm

Thank you for the brave opening post, Ryan. You are a class act.

To everyone who disagrees with the opening post: of course all lives matter. But I believe this artwork best portrays why correcting someone who says "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter" is missing point:

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There are two topics here. One is the positive message that is Black Lives Matter, the other is the destruction and chaos caused by some rioters.

I can understand the frustration of the protesters. But if we want real change, there is a better solution than rioting or protesting:

VOTE.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby 9adam83 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:02 pm

If black lives matter so much, start acting like it. I'm getting really sick and tired of the excuses, the blame game, the "Everyone is a Victim of Society". It's time to start talking about teaching people personal responsibility and stop blaming others for their poor choices in life.

This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with indivudal hatred towards one and other. Racism is "The systematic destruction of liberty, rights and privileges people have in society in which limitations are placed upon a group of people based on their race."

Hatred is something that is directed at a person or a group of people. You will NEVER get rid of someone hating someone else. Do you hate murderers and rapists? Do you hate child molesters? If you say NO, you are full of it. Race relations have actually improved in this nation and if you say you disagree with my statement then you have zero clue about American History after the Civil War.

There are no more black only water fountains, there is no more segregated schools, buses etc. Are we a fair society? Yes and No. Does everyone have a chance at The American Dream, YES THEY DO!

There are more black millionaires and billionaires EVER in our history as nation. Are we perfect? NO we are not perfect. Maybe if the ultra rich of the black community actually gave a dam they would donate parts of their wealth and mass fortunes to end poverty. Along with a partnership between private citizens and the government we could end poverty in this country and give people real salaries and real paying jobs.

Dr. Dre is worth 3 billion dollars at one point in his life. He could have sold Beats to Apple and told them to make his headphones in South Los Angeles and employ thousands of people there, did he do that? No he did not! That's one solution right there, why isn't anyone else coming up with ideas?

Stop blaming others for black on black crime and murder. Look at real data, look at facts and evidence. You wanted no police, you got it. If you think any police officer after all of this death and destruction will want to do their jobs, you have no clue about reality. After the 92 LA riots, LAPD arrests fell 68%! That's the truth! What do you think it will look like after all of this BS?

We can unite but we need to stop falling for the false narratives that are in this nation that people hell bent on seeing a race war and the destruction of a great nation. We need to stop being victims and start being strong individuals. I believe that everyone has a right in this nation to succeed and be successful. We can all over come the impossible if we believe we can. Til all are won! I welcome your comments. :SG-BOTS: :SG-CONS: :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:19 pm

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Ryan, thank you so much for this post. I am so glad to see even one of the Transformers fansites speak up about this.

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