Official Images of Transformers Studio Series Voyager Class Optimus Prime, Bonecrusher and Leader Class Jetfire

News article has been updated with new picture of Jetfire.

Interesting. Bonecrusher still looks like he’s carrying a lot of vehicle kibble on his forearms, but at least they seem allocated better and aren’t gangly monstrosities. The size class should help too. I don’t expect him to be huge, but much like Ironhide have his price point go into making him hefty and beefy.

While I don't collect Studio Series (budget reasons, mostly) I can safely that this Bonecrusher looks pretty damn good. If the final figure is anything close to the promo images then this may very well be the definitive Movie Bonecrusher.

Hot diggity dammit there goes my wallet again!

Oh hell yes. I AM BUYING ALL THESE TOYS.

I mean I love the current Studio Series Optimus Prime and he's been one of the most fun TF figures I've ever owned. Frickin' love his proportions and posability more than any other Prime. And this new one is even better. The new chest looks great (and yay for blue doors on there this time) and I like how the wheel parts on the upper legs are much more streamlined now too. Also can use the swords from the first one with this one too. And I like how the new backpack isn't so square too. And of course I'll add paint to the new one and buy another set of Toyhax Studio Prime stickers to add the flames.

Jetfire looks far better than his old toy and still combines with a Prime? Great.

Bonecrusher. Yep, he's fine. Voyager class. Good good.

BUt man, that Prime is gorgeous. Everything I love about the current figure but even better! Still puzzled as to why Hasbro's paint budget doesn't extend to robot mode flames anymore but yeah Toyhax helps there. I neeeeeed these.

looks like i have been rewarded for waiting on studio series prime and not buying the wave 1 version. so far may very well buy all of the ones revealed here, jetfire looks way better than the original, so that + blackbird = buy. prime's chest and over all look is better, so i'll gladly buy him. bonecrusher is just....YES. can't wait to see more pics of megatron

Sweet. OP looks way better than the previous version, although if it's the same mold he's probably still a touch too short IMO.

Bonecrusher looks to be a huge improvement over the deluxe, althought that's kind of faint praise since the deluxe was terrible. Arms still look really weird on this version for some reason. Hope he's pretty big to make up for no accessories.

Jetfire looks OK, love the axe. Still looks really panelformer like the original, hopefully he's way easier to transform and combine than that version.

Shuttershock wrote:Interesting. Bonecrusher still looks like he’s carrying a lot of vehicle kibble on his forearms, but at least they seem allocated better and aren’t gangly monstrosities. The size class should help too. I don’t expect him to be huge, but much like Ironhide have his price point go into making him hefty and beefy.

From what I remember from the movie, Bonecrusher was either the same size or slightly smaller than Optimus. I'd say he's probably gonna be the size of Titans Return Cerebros. Of course, his legs are bent, so he might be taller when standing straight.

I still cna't get over how great the new chest is on Prime. I dunno how it transforms and fits into the transformation compared to the first release but it's so much better. Both in removing the middle joint bit and how the door bits are now overlapping the red windows to some extent whereas on the first version they basically sit next to them. Man, I'm more excited for a retool of one of my fave recent figures than I am for any other upcoming action figure.

One note as pointed out by Quantum_Surge to me on Twitter is that the red parts on the lower legs that folded over when the wheels were rotated up to the thighs no longer seem to fold on the new figure. Like I told them, it doesn't bother me that much cos the wheels themselves still move correctly (and the ones above are now aligned with them) but it's still worth pointing out.

Jetfire does look panel-former-y, but more along the lines of the way he did in the movie. He's probably going to have some robot junk showing in the undercarriage but nowhere near as bad as the RotF Leader (for one thing, his legs actually turn into the engines). Based on the lack of a seam in his head and a seeming lack of faux-Blackbird nose halves elswhere... I would lay odds that he does not combine with Prime. And yay for the axe!

Speaking of, the revamped Optimus is an enormous improvement. They fixed the flat chest.

DotM Megatron being a Leader-class figure would seem to wreck the robot mode scale the series has been going for (unless properly transforming him fixes that), but there's an upside: He would be able to work better with older toys as a stand-in for the DotM Leader Megatron we never got because they gave us a @!#$ing leader Bumblebee instead.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Based on the lack of a seam in his head and a seeming lack of faux-Blackbird nose halves elswhere... I would lay odds that he does not combine with Prime.

But he does. The revised Prime at least.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Jetfire does look panel-former-y, but more along the lines of the way he did in the movie. He's probably going to have some robot junk showing in the undercarriage but nowhere near as bad as the RotF Leader (for one thing, his legs actually turn into the engines). Based on the lack of a seam in his head and a seeming lack of faux-Blackbird nose halves elswhere... I would lay odds that he does not combine with Prime. And yay for the axe!

Speaking of, the revamped Optimus is an enormous improvement. They fixed the flat chest.

DotM Megatron being a Leader-class figure would seem to wreck the robot mode scale the series has been going for (unless properly transforming him fixes that), but there's an upside: He would be able to work better with older toys as a stand-in for the DotM Leader Megatron we never got because they gave us a @!#$ing leader Bumblebee instead.

Jetfire does combine with Prime, specifically the 07 prime (which is odd as the combination happened in RotF)

The forearm panels look shorter on the new one too. They seem to go as high as just above the elbow joint on the new figure whereas on the current one they almost go as high as the bottom of the shoulder pads. Not sure if that's actually new size or just a perspective thing. Either way both are way better than the damn forearm panels of the Battle Blades mold that heavily get in the way of the arm articulation on that figure.



Anyways I love these new reveals and I have money here for all of them when Hasbro decide it's time to give these to us. I'm off to bed now. Gotta do two performances of the play I'm in tomorrow (ugh I hate matinees) so I need rest and yay more awesome Studio figures to look forward to in 2019! Goodnight.

ZeroWolf, the only difference between '07 and ROTF Prime in the movies is more weathering in robot mode in ROTF. That's it. So this one works just as well as an ROTF Prime. I would hope it comes with two guns and not just the one shown, but it's not a strong hope since even the bloody Masterpiece toy screwed that up.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Based on the lack of a seam in his head and a seeming lack of faux-Blackbird nose halves elswhere... I would lay odds that he does not combine with Prime.

But he does. The revised Prime at least.

Yeah, I missed that the first time I looked at page 127. Although are we 100% sure that is Jetfire and not an add-on pack?

Frankly, I would rather see an official Jetpower add-on pack for Prime (like the unfortunate Jetwing add-on for the DotM retool of ROTF Leader Prime) since you could never hope to make a Jetfire that turned into an accurate Jetfire and accurate Jetpower armor because of the leg extensions.
That said, due to the "Obligatory 3l3c7r0niX!!1!!!" phase being over except for Titan-class citybots, if that is Jetfire there it'll be less of a mess than the original.

Overcracker wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Because why would a Truck the size of Prime have to be a leader class toy?

Because DOTM Megs isn't just a truck the size of prime, it is a truck and trailer which would take up at least twice the volume when the trucks were in scale with each other.

Edit: I'd love to see some side by side shots of Prime and Megs in truck modes for comparison.

They are different types of trucks.

Prime is a Peterbilt cab, while Megatron is old timey Mack Cab.

In reality, a Peterbilt Cab is about .75% the length of a Mack Cab + Tanker.

Basically what you are saying is a Truck that is normally 25 feet long should be larger than a Cybertronian Tank, and a Helicopter (Blackout) that in real life is 88ft long.

You're missing the point.
MEGATRON IS NOT JUST A CAB, HE'S ALSO A FREAKING TRAILER

Decepticon Stryker wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:Interesting. Bonecrusher still looks like he’s carrying a lot of vehicle kibble on his forearms, but at least they seem allocated better and aren’t gangly monstrosities. The size class should help too. I don’t expect him to be huge, but much like Ironhide have his price point go into making him hefty and beefy.

From what I remember from the movie, Bonecrusher was either the same size or slightly smaller than Optimus. I'd say he's probably gonna be the size of Titans Return Cerebros. Of course, his legs are bent, so he might be taller when standing straight.

Bunch of size comparison charts I Googled say he's about 25 feet tall, so slightly shorter than OP (28 feet) and same height as Brawl.

This is the one case I'm hoping they ignore the size chart and actually make him the same size as OP or bigger, partially because I think SS OP is too short, and partially because I'll probably use him with my movie 1 and RotF toy display, and those are all WAY bigger than the SS toys.

Earlier today, we posted a news article on the stock photos for the toys revealed at Paris Comic-Con 2018. Now, we have some nice and big hi-res images of the new toys, which also lack the black background of the previous images. we also have product descriptions, telling us the toys' number, accessories, and more. Check them out below, and tell us your thoughts in the Pub forums below!

Reach past the big screen and build the ultimate TRANSFORMERS collection with Studio Series figures (each sold separately), inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the TRANSFORMERS movie universe.

Transformers Studio Series 33 Voyager Class Movie 1 Bonecrusher Action Figure
(Ages 8 and up)
The Studio Series 33 Voyager Class Movie 1 BONECRUSHER figure converts from robot to General Dynamics Buffalo MPCV mode in 33 steps. The 6.5-inch figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco and a detailed claw attached to the figure that’s modeled after the one BONECRUSHER uses to thrash at his enemies in the film. Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of TRANSFORMERS Movie 1. Premium figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Highway Showdown scene where BONECRUSHER tackles OPTIMUS PRIME off a highway overpass, viciously thrashing at his enemy with his razor-sharp claw. Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. Available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com.

Transformers Studio Series 32 Voyager Class Movie 1 Optimus Prime Action Figure
(Ages 8 and up)
The Studio Series 32 Voyager Class Movie 1 OPTIMUS PRIME figure converts from robot to truck mode in 37 steps. The 6.5-inch figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco and includes a detailed weapon accessory – a blaster weapon accessory modeled after the weapon OPTIMUS PRIME uses in the film. Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of TRANSFORMERS Movie 1. Premium figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Highway Showdown scene where OPTIMUS PRIME waits for the perfect moment to strike as he fends off the ferocious BONECRUSHER on a highway underpass. Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. Available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com.

Transformers Studio Series 35 Leader Class Revenge of the Fallen Movie Jetfire Action Figure
(Ages 8 and up)
The Studio Series 35 Voyager Class JETFIRE figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco and converts from robot to jet mode in 36 steps. The 8.5-inch figure includes 3 detailed accessories including cane and battle axe accessories. Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. Premium figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Pyramid Desert Battle scene where JETFIRE makes the ultimate sacrifice, heroically giving up his parts to restore and strengthen OPTIMUS PRIME. Imagine this scene and use parts from this JETFIRE figure to convert the 32 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIME figure into JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME! (Sold separately. Subject to availability.) Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. Available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com.

Well it looks like I'll be making my first SS purchase with Jetfire. Although I am confused...why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime? Shouldn't it be with the RotF Prime which is currently out?

Also I do see there are some technical differences with the current RotF Voyager, and this new Movie 1 Prime, but they really didn't change in between films. I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time it should have been a straight up repaint, but it wasn't ...how very odd. But Still I'm glad. This is one I was hoping would happen. The other, being Devstator...I know is going to be more complicated, if ever done

I'm really only doing 2007 movie figure. All things considered I have alot of nostalgia for the hype around the movie, the excitement, the fanboyoutrage, crazy weird toys after Galaxy Force. Seeing that Studio Series bonecrusher and comparing it my 11 year old Jungle bonecrusher really makes me excited. Though I will say not sure if i'll double dip on prime just for a slightly more more movie accurate chest, gun, and brighter color pallet. I might totally get Jetfire, I totally missed out on the ROTF one, plus it's always nice to get another Blackbird robo!

o.supreme wrote:Well it looks like I'll be making my first SS purchase with Jetfire. Although I am confused...why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime? Shouldn't it be with the RotF Prime which is currently out?

Also I do see there are some technical differences with the current RotF Voyager, and this new Movie 1 Prime, but they really didn't change in between films. I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time it should have been a straight up repaint, but it wasn't ...how very odd. But Still I'm glad. This is one I was hoping would happen. The other, being Devstator...I know is going to be more complicated, if ever done

Because he combines with Jetfire they retooled bits to make him do that and to be closer accurate to the movies

o.supreme wrote:Well it looks like I'll be making my first SS purchase with Jetfire. Although I am confused...why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime? Shouldn't it be with the RotF Prime which is currently out?

Also I do see there are some technical differences with the current RotF Voyager, and this new Movie 1 Prime, but they really didn't change in between films. I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time it should have been a straight up repaint, but it wasn't ...how very odd. But Still I'm glad. This is one I was hoping would happen. The other, being Devstator...I know is going to be more complicated, if ever done

Since they already sold a ROTF Voyager Optimus that didn't combine with Jetfire, they probably just rebranded him to differentiate the old one and this one to the stores that buy them.

After spending most of today trying to figure out why my back was suddenly in agony and trying to fix it, I finally have time to comment on this, yay (why do I have back pain I'm barely an adult)!

All these look good, although Megatron seems a bit iffy. His Mad Max tanker mode looks amazing, but his robot mode is lacking in that picture. Optimus is surprisingly way better than the previous SS one, the mouthplate and the brighter colors make him pop a lot more, and Bonecrusher is a vast improvement from his old Deluxe. I'm also glad they made Jetfire able to combine, as someone whose first exposure to TF media was the Unicron Trilogy I always get happy and nostalgic when I see Optimus-Jetfire combined modes.

That being said, the only one of these I'm going to be picking up is Bonecrusher. I don't need another OP or Megatron, and I prefer Jetfire to be less creepy old man. Bonecrusher though, I have a space for, as I love the Movie Constructicon designs (and Bonecrusher, as he only kinda counts) way more than the G1 versions, and I'm mostly just involved in SS to fill out my Decepticon ranks.

So yeah, I can't wait to grab my new SS-31 Bonecrusher when he's out, he'll be my first SS Voyager figure-wait.

Wait, Bonecrusher's SS-ThirtyTHREE?

WHO'S 31!?!?

notirishman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well it looks like I'll be making my first SS purchase with Jetfire. Although I am confused...why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime? Shouldn't it be with the RotF Prime which is currently out?

Also I do see there are some technical differences with the current RotF Voyager, and this new Movie 1 Prime, but they really didn't change in between films. I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time it should have been a straight up repaint, but it wasn't ...how very odd. But Still I'm glad. This is one I was hoping would happen. The other, being Devstator...I know is going to be more complicated, if ever done

Since they already sold a ROTF Voyager Optimus that didn't combine with Jetfire, they probably just rebranded him to differentiate the old one and this one to the stores that buy them.

Also, he's paired with Bonecrusher, referencing the highway battle scene in the first movie.

I really hope those wheels in Bonecrusher's feet roll and aren't just solid fake wheels. His roller derby of death was one of my favorite things about him.

So, here's a question. How are they marketing Jetfire? As an Autobot or Decepticon? Cause he had the con brands, but his description implies they'll brand him an Autobot

Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, here's a question. How are they marketing Jetfire? As an Autobot or Decepticon? Cause he had the con brands, but his description implies they'll brand him an Autobot

The same way they marketed him back in 2009

With DOTM megatron and Jetfire beings two of the three leaders in the lineup for next year, I’m still confused on who the third one will be

My biggest takeaway from this is how the term "Movie 1" has now become an official descriptor!

It's been a while since I was genuinely exited for movie figures. Guess I'll get all 3.

o.supreme wrote:Well it looks like I'll be making my first SS purchase with Jetfire. Although I am confused...why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime? Shouldn't it be with the RotF Prime which is currently out?

Also I do see there are some technical differences with the current RotF Voyager, and this new Movie 1 Prime, but they really didn't change in between films. I never thought I'd say this, but this is one time it should have been a straight up repaint, but it wasn't ...how very odd. But Still I'm glad. This is one I was hoping would happen. The other, being Devstator...I know is going to be more complicated, if ever done

Why would they have him combine with Movie 1 Prime and not the ROTF-labeled one that's currently out? Because Movie 1 Prime has been modified to actually support the combination. And to have a chest that doesn't look like it used the 2007 Optimus toys for reference.

As I stated previously, the only change to Optimus' body between Movie 1 and RotF is just that he's a bit more weathered in robot mode. It's a very minor cosmetic thing. There is literally no reason you can't use "Movie 1" Optimus for ROTF scenes. Obviously you'd have to borrow the inferior previous version's swords for some of it, but then you'd have to do that for his fight with Bonecrusher anyway.

ZeroWolf wrote:Well said Bucky.

Thanks, Zero.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:I mean I love the current Studio Series Optimus Prime and he's been one of the most fun TF figures I've ever owned. Frickin' love his proportions and posability more than any other Prime. And this new one is even better. The new chest looks great (and yay for blue doors on there this time) and I like how the wheel parts on the upper legs are much more streamlined now too. Also can use the swords from the first one with this one too. And I like how the new backpack isn't so square too. And of course I'll add paint to the new one and buy another set of Toyhax Studio Prime stickers to add the flames.

I think that you and I are in a very small minority on these boards, of people who actually really like the first SS Prime. Despite his flaws, which are primarily his bulky chest and dark color scheme, he’s an absolutely stellar figure in my opinion. I feel that his playability, posability, and balance more than make up for his lack of screen accuracy. I realize that said lack of screen accuracy does make him a deviation from the line’s intent, but at the end of the day I strangely find myself not caring, Wave 1 Prime is just plain fun. I could be wrong here, but if he weren’t in a line dedicated to scale and on screen aesthetics, I don’t think as many people would feel so negatively about him.

That being said, I am totally ready to get this new Prime as soon as he hits shelves or HTS. He looks phenomenal.



The more I look at these shots and renders, the more excited I get. There’s a notable improvement in the quality and accuracy of these figures, when compared to their respective predecessors. And the sculpting in this line thus far can’t be overstated. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say that Has/Tak, by and large, are giving those of us who are movie toy fans what we want.

I had been on the fence for a long while, hemming and hawing about whether or not I should pick up the Movie Best Bonecrusher, because I really wanted a Bonecrusher, and never got the original release. Now I’m glad that I debated with myself as much as I did. I’m sure the original one is an “okay” figure, but this is closer to what I want from a figure of that character,

As much as I do like the first Jetfire, this new one looks to have done away with all his major flaws. The end result is a more streamlined, screen accurate representation. As it’s been pointed out, his noggin does appear to be a little oversized, but I think he did have a largish head in the movie. In any event, they did away with the horrible electronic components (a gimmick in toys which I haven’t enjoyed or used since childhood), and a good amount of the kibble. I never understood what those dangly parts were for in the original toy. They don’t even tab in anywhere.


I’m sure someone else has to have brought this up before, but I think part of the reason why I’m in love with this line is because it’s very meat and potatoes. It has a simple mission statement; on screen characters, screen accuracy and scale. With the exception of the KSI troop builder and Shadow Raider (an argument could be made for the sheer volume of ‘Bees but he does vary from film to film, and some are exclusives) there’s little filler. Or at least it isn’t egregious.

There’s also no line wide gimmick, for which I am immensely grateful. Most of the time, I feel that gimmicks hamper a line, and hold back its potential. The only stand out exception I can think of was Titans Return, because it worked well for the line, most of the time, and because I have a lot of love for Headmasters. But there’s no electronics, no oversized spring loaded weapons, no auto morphing, no combining, no linking, no armor, no weird swirly paint/plastic, no pack-in comics to justify a price point for an undersized line of figures. None of that. It really is like the early Generations version of a comprehensive movie line of toys. And I really appreciate that. I’m not a fan of gimmicks in general.

...except, and I’m just putting this out there, I do kind of miss C-clips. I don’t even know if that could be called a full fledged gimmick though. Those were cool.

notirishman wrote:Earlier today, we posted a Imagine this scene and use parts from this JETFIRE figure to convert the 32 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIME figure into JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME!

Yes! Jetwing prime will be a partsformer combination!

Bucky wrote:*lots of stuff bucky wrote*

I agree with pretty much everything you put in that big post. Yes to the first SS Prime and to this new improved upgrade, yes to Jetfire, yes to 'meat and potatoes', yes to no forced gimmick (the g1 dinobots did not need to be combiners... and grimlock in particular suffered).

I said it before but this is my absolute fave toyline in years. of any franchise. Certainly the one I've completed the most of. Usually I'm a very picky/choosey person with any toyline but I have the vast majority of Studio Series figures already and I'm already eager to spend my monies on all these new ones and the deluxes shown a lil while ago (barricade, sideswipe, WWII bee. So damn glad this is a thing.

I completely agree. I was debating whether I liked Titans Return more, or if it was tied with SS for me. I think I’ve been more impressed with SS over all though. There’s a few figures that are flat out spectacular, and fun. Starscream is an amazing toy, Grimlock’s patina-like paint job is stunning, and Blackout is still my favorite SS figure so far. TR was more conservative. Maybe if it had the same level of quality and attention to detail that Legends had, I’d say it beats SS, but Hasbro fell short of Takara’s standards.

Bonecrusher looks amazing. Like, sure there look to be some minor inaccuracies (and I sorta miss the extendo-arms of the old toy, which IIRC was movie-accurate) but in terms of being a good looking, fun toy, barring any horrendous QC smeg-ups this should be top notch.

I'm torn though- I want him a lot but I'm not sure if he'd just be Bayverse Bonecrusher or Earth mode Strika. Which sounds like lunacy I know, but considering both turn into big 6-wheeled military vehicles and have somewhat monstrous robot modes (and Strika was always rather androgynous)...

Jetfire looks cool, but I do wish his SR-71 mode was a bit cleaner underneath. I know he has to combine though, so eh.

Optimus looks nice but I don't need him.

If Jetfire partsforms to make Jetwing Optimus...does that mean pieces like the nose of the plane and the engines are simply taken off to transform Jetfire to robot mode? Because I'm having a hard time seeing those parts in the robot mode pics.

Not sure how I feel about that, though I did remove the screws holding the jet nose on ROTF Jetfire for a more accurate robot mode...

Look okay but can't get myself to like them.

I hate Jetfire's design, an old grumpy farting hunchback man.

Bonecrusher being some sort of ogre mutant monkey with a bughead.

Not excited about these. Not only because I find the designs hidious, but the characters suck (well, Bonecrusher doesn't even have a character).

Here's hoping every single Bumblebee movie character will get a toy. Because Transformers isn't Transformers, Bumblebee is Transformers.

Noctorro, if you're a movieverse hater why are you even here?

Carnivus, I fail to understand how PotP Grimlock "suffers" from the combiner gimmick aside from the lack of included weapons. Do I need to put you in the VVH (one of the reasons I don't like the Marvel comics, btw) to get a satisfactory answer out of you? And if you're going to talk about forced gimmicks, then guess what? Jetfire combining with Optimus is a forced gimmick! In the movie, they didn't combine. Jetfire's remains were broken apart and rebuilt differently (possibly not even using all of them) as powerup armor for Optimus in a very complex fashion. Trying to make Jetfire combine with him, even with partsforming, is a forced gimmick and a fool's errand. Jetfire, the combination, or both are going to suffer just as happened with the ROTF leaders. Perhaps not to the same extreme or in the exact same way, since the smegging battery box is no longer a factor, but still.

Jetfire doesn't look like any partsforming is involved in his transformation. There may not even be any in the Jetpower combination shown, now that I look at it more.
And speaking of that combination... Honestly, it doesn't look like much of an improvement on the ROTF toys' combination if at all. It's probably a bit less stiff and seems to actually add relatively more height... but the engines end up even less accurate, I'm not sure if I'm seeing any approximation of the "coattail" panels (I see something that could be them but I canvt be sure), I'm definitely not seeing gun pod that strapped to his left arm, and I'm also not seeing the BFG.

I fail to understand how PotP Grimlock "suffers" from the combiner gimmick

Proportions are kinda wonky (especially in dino mode with the ports in the tail), and the budget that was spent on making him combine could have been spent on making him a more poseable, better proportioned toy if he didn't combine. Plus the combiner mode is a bit...not very good.

He looks alright but I'll be honest, he'd be better if he didn't combine.

Black Hat pretty much hits the nail on the head. In any combiner limb, torso, or triple changer you have to lose something from the other two modes to achieve a third mode. It’s just what happens. Those combiner pegs and ports take up a decent amount of space. And in the specific case of the Dinobots, their G1 designs were never intended to become combiner components. I don’t think they lend themselves very well to the gimmick, as evidenced by what we wound up with.

Edit:

ZeldatheSwordsman - Except that it’s not a forced gimmick for Jetfire and OP. They did combine. Parts from one joined with the other. You could make the argument that maybe not 100% of Jetfire combined with Optimus, but then we’d wind up with a partsformer (which isn’t a bad thing), but one that has left over parts, to do what with? And if they had gone that route, why would not utilizing all of a toy to combine not be forced, but using it all would be? Also this combination isn’t trying to fit into an already established pattern. It isn’t required to conform to how other combiners combine from the same, or previous toy line. So there’s more freedom there, when it comes to the engineering.

And yes, as i stated before, any combiner or triple changer will suffer some from having to incorporate a third mode option. But like the triple changers and original combiners, Jetfire was designed to combine with Optimus. It isn’t a feature or gimmick that was tacked on to a design some thirty years later. So there’s a difference. It’s also not a fools errand, if it works. Only if it fails. Even in the case of the Dinobots combining it wasn’t a failure. The end result just didn’t look good, and was necessary because there wasn’t a pretext for G1 Dinobots to combine. So you can’t even blame it on nostalgia.

Hopefully these figures will help remove the horrible taste of that god awful craptastic VW Bee from my mouth!

You know, they should have tried to make the new Movie Jetfire like a Siege Weaponizer meant to interact with a new Voyager Optimus Prime, or at least with a retool with 5mm ports all over. Yes it would mean 'sacrificing' some elements for either figure but it is the only way to make that feature work. Also, bonus point, we'd have a movie guy who can interact with a Generations gimmick once again.

Ironhidensh wrote:Hopefully these figures will help remove the horrible taste of that god awful craptastic VW Bee from my mouth!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………

Licking toys...….

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Hopefully these figures will help remove the horrible taste of that god awful craptastic VW Bee from my mouth!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………

Licking toys...….

Careful. They might have toxic paint.

Skritz wrote:You know, they should have tried to make the new Movie Jetfire like a Siege Weaponizer meant to interact with a new Voyager Optimus Prime, or at least with a retool with 5mm ports all over. Yes it would mean 'sacrificing' some elements for either figure but it is the only way to make that feature work. Also, bonus point, we'd have a movie guy who can interact with a Generations gimmick once again.

Anything would be an improvement over the mess that was the RotF movie Leader Jetfire. Somehow they made it simple, and yet fiddly to the point of uselessness. And turning it into a stupid Scottish coot didn't help either.

While I'm glad to see a leader-sized Megatron, I'm not impressed by how he looks. They did a good job with voyager RoTF Megatron, he looks just like the leader version. So why can't they do the reverse with the voyager DoTM version? As for Jetfire, I'm in the minority of those who actually like the RoTF leader version, especially the jet mode. So I'm good on that.

Agent 53 wrote:

notirishman wrote:Earlier today, we posted a Imagine this scene and use parts from this JETFIRE figure to convert the 32 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIME figure into JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME!

Yes! Jetwing prime will be a partsformer combination!

Which reminds me... where's Jolt?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Agent 53 wrote:

notirishman wrote:Earlier today, we posted a Imagine this scene and use parts from this JETFIRE figure to convert the 32 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIME figure into JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME!

Yes! Jetwing prime will be a partsformer combination!

Which reminds me... where's Jolt?

Yeah, what about Scarecrow's brain Jolt? Why doesn't he get any love?
I'm also kinda hoping for the Arcee triplets because I really want to see their combined mode.

Regarding that Leader DotM Megs, as umpteen people have said the reps most likely have him mistransformed. Heaven forbid Hasbro reps should be competent at representing their products.

Bucky wrote:Black Hat pretty much hits the nail on the head. In any combiner limb, torso, or triple changer you have to lose something from the other two modes to achieve a third mode. It’s just what happens. Those combiner pegs and ports take up a decent amount of space. And in the specific case of the Dinobots, their G1 designs were never intended to become combiner components. I don’t think they lend themselves very well to the gimmick, as evidenced by what we wound up with.

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ZeldatheSwordsman - Except that it’s not a forced gimmick for Jetfire and OP. They did combine. Parts from one joined with the other. You could make the argument that maybe not 100% of Jetfire combined with Optimus, but then we’d wind up with a partsformer (which isn’t a bad thing), but one that has left over parts, to do what with? And if they had gone that route, why would not utilizing all of a toy to combine not be forced, but using it all would be? Also this combination isn’t trying to fit into an already established pattern. It isn’t required to conform to how other combiners combine from the same, or previous toy line. So there’s more freedom there, when it comes to the engineering.

And yes, as i stated before, any combiner or triple changer will suffer some from having to incorporate a third mode option. But like the triple changers and original combiners, Jetfire was designed to combine with Optimus. It isn’t a feature or gimmick that was tacked on to a design some thirty years later. So there’s a difference. It’s also not a fools errand, if it works. Only if it fails. Even in the case of the Dinobots combining it wasn’t a failure. The end result just didn’t look good, and was necessary because there wasn’t a pretext for G1 Dinobots to combine. So you can’t even blame it on nostalgia.

1. As someone who actually owns all 5 original G1 Dinobots and compared the toys hand-in-hand. those pegs do NOT, in reality, take up extra space (in fact, Snarl is actually a little less fat than his G1 toy). On Slag, Sludge, and Snarl they take up the space that was occupied by the Diaclone cockpits on the originals. Swoop just sacrifices the chest closure, but manages to keep it from looking ugly. And while the ports are noticeable on Grimlock, I don't think they really clutter up the design; I think people blow that way out of proportion.
Beyond that, all five have huge gains in useful articulation. And the way Grimlock's legs transform.. It's kinda cheating, but it's done well enough to not look bad IMO. And it keeps him within mass limits while finding something to do with the tailtip halves. Slag is improved enormously despite losing his robot-mode wings - he's articulated in both modes, and his tail is properly dealt with in robot mode (as opposed to the original toy, where it's an awkward thing sticking out from his waist that you're not sure whether to have it up behind the back taking up a crapton of space, or tuck it under the legs). So I really don't see how the Dinobots being made combiners hurt them. There's no basis other than "Wouldn't it be cool if..?" but that's enough for me.

2. Let me spell it out for you people, since you're apparently unable to grasp my point.
Jetfire was NOT designed to combine with Optimus. Jetfire was designed to transform from SR-71 to robot and back, period. The so-called combination with Optimus isn't a combination. Not even a partsforming one (like, say, RiD Omega Prime) since it's not a matter of structural parts being rearranged in a configuration they were designed for and can be converted back from.
IT'S @#$%ING KITBASHING!!!!!! Ratchet and Jolt literally KITBASH the armor out of Jetfire's remains! That is why trying to make a Jetfire that turns into the Jetpower armor is a forced gimmick and a fool's errand, especially with how complex Bayformers are.

3. And as for "It's not a failure if it works"? Guess what, it doesn't! Not from what we've seen so far! It's still inaccurate, but in different (and in some cases, worse) ways, and unless there's pieces that the idiot reps left out when showing off the combo it doesn't even have the decency to include the weapons the super mode featured in the movie! The ROTF Leader toys' combination, for all its jankiness, at least included approximations of those. This isn't something being compromised for the sake of making a third mode option work well, this is something being compromised for the sake of a third mode option that's even more compromised by a substantial margin.

Meanwhile, I think Volcanicus turned out looking great and works great too. And since Volcanicus was made up for PotP, there's no prior design he has to emulate. So long as the individual Dinobots are kept fairly faithful, he's free to be an original design (And pulls it off wonderfully).
Jetpower Prime does not have that luxury. There is an existing design to match, and it just can't be done using a transforming Jetfire. Too much moves in conflicting directions. or is just completely warped from what it was on Jetfire's body. The only way to properly pull it off is an add-on set. Like the one made by FWI only official, or the Jetwing add-on for DotM Optimus.

JelZe, where's the confirmation that it partsforms? Looking at the trade show photos it looks like it could potentially still be straight-up transformation.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:JelZe, where's the confirmation that it partsforms

That... wasn't the point of my post, it was taking a jab at an overlooked character who provided the means for the "combination"... which was his only role in the movie Nevertheless, here's the official write-up, with the important bits in bold:

Transformers Studio Series 35 Leader Class Revenge of the Fallen Movie Jetfire Action Figure
(Ages 8 and up)
The Studio Series 35 Voyager Class JETFIRE figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco and converts from robot to jet mode in 36 steps. The 8.5-inch figure includes 3 detailed accessories including cane and battle axe accessories. Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. Premium figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Pyramid Desert Battle scene where JETFIRE makes the ultimate sacrifice, heroically giving up his parts to restore and strengthen OPTIMUS PRIME. Imagine this scene and use parts from this JETFIRE figure to convert the 32 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIME figure into JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME! (Sold separately. Subject to availability.) Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. Available at most major retailers and on HasbroToyShop.com.

Emphasis on "parts", meaning not all of the figure.

Oops, my bad, should have been asking Agent53 ^^;

And I see. Of course, given the track record of advertising and back-of-box copy, that could just mean the combo doesn't use the axe and cane.

And I agree about poor Jolt needing more love. He didn't do much, but he was still important! I mean, he got the anime-style parts-flying-together powerup sequence to pass muster with Paramount's Captain No-fun know-nothing experts for crying out loud!