New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons
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The live action movie Crosshairs does not have a design that translates well to toys. His whole design gimmick is that the car body becomes a flowing trench coat. The previous attempts (both in AOE and TLK) went all in on the trenchcoat design, with the idea of it wrapping around his sides as it does in the film. There were clearly some sacrifices to make that happen with innacuracies in the top half of the toy. The new Studio Series version aims more to look like the sleek character model and drops the trenchcoat gimmick for the most part. The toy attempts to keep the look when facing dead on but does not retain the dual functonality of the car body as previous toys have. That does of course liberate the designers in other aspects as you will see below when comparing to the previous version. People seem torn on this with there being pros and cons to both attempts at bringing this character to toy form. You'll let us know where you land.
The images come from a review by PrimevsPrime. All shots below are of the robot mode because the car mode in the video is incomplete and we would rather not confuse you with it. You can see the original review here.
The images come from a review by PrimevsPrime. All shots below are of the robot mode because the car mode in the video is incomplete and we would rather not confuse you with it. You can see the original review here.
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Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143606)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:17am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:17am CDT
More peachy tips from Seibertron, eh?
Anyway, saying the character "does not have a design that translates well to toys" is inaccurate. A more competent use of lexis would be "hasn't translated well (so far)", if one can accept it's more to do with subjective opinion than established fact. Still, the OP tried, I suppose, so there's that?
Anyway, saying the character "does not have a design that translates well to toys" is inaccurate. A more competent use of lexis would be "hasn't translated well (so far)", if one can accept it's more to do with subjective opinion than established fact. Still, the OP tried, I suppose, so there's that?
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143607)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:18am CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:18am CDT
Poor ol' Crosshairs, has enough kibble to rival that of Arcee.
I do really like the upper body and colours of the Studio Series version, but the trenchcoat looks nicer on the previous toy. I might still pick it up if there's better ways to handle the kibble (official or not, à la Sentinel Prime's cape) because I still otherwise like the rest of it.
I do really like the upper body and colours of the Studio Series version, but the trenchcoat looks nicer on the previous toy. I might still pick it up if there's better ways to handle the kibble (official or not, à la Sentinel Prime's cape) because I still otherwise like the rest of it.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143609)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:01am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:01am CDT
Old figure looks better to me, that side view alone is enough to ensure it stays on the store pegs even at discount for me. The big hinges for the flaps is another. The head/face definitely looks more baynus for whatever that is worth.
Realistically if the vehicle mode is incomplete, then so is the bot mode. Might be a wait and see for better photos but I'm liking the colors and definition better on the old figure anyhoos.
Realistically if the vehicle mode is incomplete, then so is the bot mode. Might be a wait and see for better photos but I'm liking the colors and definition better on the old figure anyhoos.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143610)
Posted by noctorro on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:33am CDT
Posted by noctorro on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:33am CDT
Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143611)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:40am CDT
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:40am CDT
noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143612)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 2:39am CDT
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 2:39am CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143614)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 2:45am CDT
I will admit the Bayverse designs really helped toy companies with pushing the limits of engineering. I mean heck, HasTak have at least done some impressive stuff for their price point, but unofficial figures are absolutely slaying it with being able to make the figures as accurate as possible that can still transform convert between forms.
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 2:45am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
I will admit the Bayverse designs really helped toy companies with pushing the limits of engineering. I mean heck, HasTak have at least done some impressive stuff for their price point, but unofficial figures are absolutely slaying it with being able to make the figures as accurate as possible that can still transform convert between forms.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143623)
Posted by Emerje on September 4th, 2022 @ 7:46am CDT
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on September 4th, 2022 @ 7:46am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:As always, if this is not the official version, it would be prudent to wait for actual retail versions being reviewed by legit YouTubers before we jump to any conclusions regarding any possible faults or defects in this mold. For all we know, the retail versions might differ considerably to ones by those giving us peegey tips, however "helpful" they may seem. This might even be true if the unboxed versions are BETTER than the originals, and we get our hopes up.
Don't these usually come right off the assembly line? Unless they have Hasbro's serial numbers printed directly on them they're probably final products. Do you have any examples of reviewed figures being different from the retail release (aside from blemishes and broken parts)?
Emerje
With 3P products, whenever they're reviewed, they're often accompanied by disclosures that they're pre-production samples (even if they're close to the final product or end up being exactly the same as the final product). This is how more honest YouTubers give us a look at such toys, while also giving us enough info to make more informed decisions prior to purchasing. In some cases, they even state that the companies are aware of certain faults and will (or already have) rectified them.
From personal experience, I've found some of the faults mentioned by those that have watched such unripe product reviews, don't always turn up in the Takara-Tomy versions, so I'm a little sceptical. That's why I usually only watch legit YouTube videos, as any faults mentioned in them might be more widespread.
I'm more interested in the facts, rather than "reviews" akin to fortune telling:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143626)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 7:56am CDT
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 7:56am CDT
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143629)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:08am CDT
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:08am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143631)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:33am CDT
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:33am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143633)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:39am CDT
I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 9:39am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143639)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:42am CDT
"Same price range" is a bit hard to compare when things are produced by smaller companies in smaller quantities. So if I make any comparisons, I go with the same "category" if that makes any senses. Like "MP style" with other MP, "generations style" with Generations.
As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
The "MPM" that HASTAK won't make and the 100% original designs. Those are the 3P toys I prefer to collect.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:42am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
"Same price range" is a bit hard to compare when things are produced by smaller companies in smaller quantities. So if I make any comparisons, I go with the same "category" if that makes any senses. Like "MP style" with other MP, "generations style" with Generations.
As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
The "MPM" that HASTAK won't make and the 100% original designs. Those are the 3P toys I prefer to collect.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143640)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:45am CDT
Those are the ones I love, I've seen some great designs in that field.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:45am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
Those are the ones I love, I've seen some great designs in that field.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143642)
Posted by william-james88 on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:00pm CDT
They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs too, but you seem to be cool with them which makes you look like a major hypocrite (I don,t know who you re as a person, I am just stating how you come across in board interactions). I don't care what twisted and complex logic you write up, that is what you look like: a hypocrite which no one can take seriously, hence why I ignored you for years. However due to several complaints of lack of modding, I have "un-igored you" to remove posts that go against our rules, as you have noticed. You can't criticize or antagonize staff on baords. If you have issues, you know where to send a message. I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.
Moving on (the following is addressed to everyone), while my opinions on the design differences were in the article, I've since seen a lot of people reffer to the trenchcoat as a cape. And I agree, this does look more like a cape with extra flaps in the front of the robot and the fact that people are calling this a cape is a pretty good sign that there's been some failure in bringing the character's design to toy form.
However, it does look more sleek like in the film and he indeed looks more accurate when looking at the character head on, so still unsure about whether I will be picking him up or not.
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
Posted by william-james88 on September 4th, 2022 @ 12:00pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs too, but you seem to be cool with them which makes you look like a major hypocrite (I don,t know who you re as a person, I am just stating how you come across in board interactions). I don't care what twisted and complex logic you write up, that is what you look like: a hypocrite which no one can take seriously, hence why I ignored you for years. However due to several complaints of lack of modding, I have "un-igored you" to remove posts that go against our rules, as you have noticed. You can't criticize or antagonize staff on baords. If you have issues, you know where to send a message. I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.
Moving on (the following is addressed to everyone), while my opinions on the design differences were in the article, I've since seen a lot of people reffer to the trenchcoat as a cape. And I agree, this does look more like a cape with extra flaps in the front of the robot and the fact that people are calling this a cape is a pretty good sign that there's been some failure in bringing the character's design to toy form.
However, it does look more sleek like in the film and he indeed looks more accurate when looking at the character head on, so still unsure about whether I will be picking him up or not.
-Kanrabat- wrote:It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143646)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:18pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:18pm CDT
I'd say unofficial figures would fall under IP theft because many of them just use designs from G1, IDW, or Bayverse specifically to give fans an alternative option than the ones HasTak are offering us. (Which I guess also steals buyers of the real products too, y'know.) I s'pose you could even throw in the IP theft of the car models as well when it comes to G1 or Bayverse, since they're likewise meant to replicate the model without any actual licensing (HasTak are guilty of this themselves now and then.)
I do think the most interesting of non-HasTak TFs are definitely the more original ones, while still for the most part snagging the overall likeness of a character, it's honestly much more appealing to see them try something unique! (Like, seriously, did we really need all those 'toon accurate Menasors?)
I do, of course, see the appeal of unofficial figures if they offer something that otherwise really can't be obtained, like some of those IDW designs that HasTak will probably never do and/or MP-adjacent figures that likewise have car brands that will probably never give the license to 'war machines' ever again.
I do think the most interesting of non-HasTak TFs are definitely the more original ones, while still for the most part snagging the overall likeness of a character, it's honestly much more appealing to see them try something unique! (Like, seriously, did we really need all those 'toon accurate Menasors?)
I do, of course, see the appeal of unofficial figures if they offer something that otherwise really can't be obtained, like some of those IDW designs that HasTak will probably never do and/or MP-adjacent figures that likewise have car brands that will probably never give the license to 'war machines' ever again.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143647)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:20pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:20pm CDT
Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143648)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:22pm CDT
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:22pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143649)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:29pm CDT
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:29pm CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143651)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:37pm CDT
Maybe they might pull a SS86 Arcee with that!
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:37pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
Maybe they might pull a SS86 Arcee with that!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143665)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:07pm CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:07pm CDT
In case you were wondering what the hole in Galvatron's chest is really for!
My paint work isn't finished on Galvatron yet, so the final version will be much more complete than what you see in the picture xD
My paint work isn't finished on Galvatron yet, so the final version will be much more complete than what you see in the picture xD
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143668)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:11pm CDT
1/ 3P TFs are not technicality bootlegs.
2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).
As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/
There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.
(It's mainly about "KO" TFs, which are what others usually refer to as "bootlegs", but the legal definitions and terminology also can refer to unofficial 3P products too.)
You're most welcome to post your opinions there, or even at Seibertron's dedicated thread to the same subject:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-t109857s375.php
Hope this helps you to learn more about this aspect of TF collecting.
Incorrect, as I've stated, refer to the link I've provided and you'll see most, if not all of the points you've stated are simply not true. Again, I hope you are able to learn more about this aspect of TFs.
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:11pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
1/ 3P TFs are not technicality bootlegs.
2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).
As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/
There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.
(It's mainly about "KO" TFs, which are what others usually refer to as "bootlegs", but the legal definitions and terminology also can refer to unofficial 3P products too.)
You're most welcome to post your opinions there, or even at Seibertron's dedicated thread to the same subject:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-t109857s375.php
Hope this helps you to learn more about this aspect of TF collecting.
william-james88 wrote:
They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs (sic) too,
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
Incorrect, as I've stated, refer to the link I've provided and you'll see most, if not all of the points you've stated are simply not true. Again, I hope you are able to learn more about this aspect of TFs.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143669)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:25pm CDT
I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"
(Of course, buying an early sample from some factory worker still means someone didn't buy it from HasTak either, but I am not going to pretend to be an expert on how manufacturing costs and/or the gravy of profit that comes from stores buying products from HasTak to sell rather than the consumer buying it from the store.)
Especially since with early sample reviews still generating some hype and interest in HasTak's products vs unofficial figures usually making people go "Ah geez, why the heck aren't the official figures like this?" (Which, I mean...considering the bang for the buck you get with stuff like MP-44...I can see why an unofficial fig' does a whole lot better.)
And thus HasTak would [probably] prefer it if people buy official stuff instead.
Ah, gotta love those multibillion dollar megacorporations!
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:25pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
1/ 3P TFs are not technicality bootlegs.
2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).
As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/
There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.
(It's mainly about "KO" TFs, which are what others usually refer to as "bootlegs", but the legal definitions and terminology also can refer to unofficial 3P products too.)
You're most welcome to post your opinions there, or even at Seibertron's dedicated thread to the same subject:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-t109857s375.php
Hope this helps you to learn more about this aspect of TF collecting.
I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"
(Of course, buying an early sample from some factory worker still means someone didn't buy it from HasTak either, but I am not going to pretend to be an expert on how manufacturing costs and/or the gravy of profit that comes from stores buying products from HasTak to sell rather than the consumer buying it from the store.)
Especially since with early sample reviews still generating some hype and interest in HasTak's products vs unofficial figures usually making people go "Ah geez, why the heck aren't the official figures like this?" (Which, I mean...considering the bang for the buck you get with stuff like MP-44...I can see why an unofficial fig' does a whole lot better.)
And thus HasTak would [probably] prefer it if people buy official stuff instead.
Ah, gotta love those multibillion dollar megacorporations!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143671)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
- Which ones? I only noticed the ones you removed the other day. I've also received no notifications via the site that posts were removed (which I've noticed Seibertron used to do, via an automated notification system), nor any PMs which contain a warning or notification of any posts being removed.
When was there any criticism? Again, no direct messages or communication regarding this was given. And again, as stated, no PMs by you/the site have been received regarding this. Please feel free to use the very system you've suggested, as this seems the most logical in solving this issue, non?
That's the thing; you're not being clear. See above.
As due diligence, this will also be PMed to you.
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:32pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
I have removed posts that go against our rules
- Which ones? I only noticed the ones you removed the other day. I've also received no notifications via the site that posts were removed (which I've noticed Seibertron used to do, via an automated notification system), nor any PMs which contain a warning or notification of any posts being removed.
You can't criticize or antagonize staff on boards (sic) If you have issues, you know where to send a message.
When was there any criticism? Again, no direct messages or communication regarding this was given. And again, as stated, no PMs by you/the site have been received regarding this. Please feel free to use the very system you've suggested, as this seems the most logical in solving this issue, non?
I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.
That's the thing; you're not being clear. See above.
As due diligence, this will also be PMed to you.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143672)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:34pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 3:34pm CDT
I think I'm on board with new Crosshairs, I never did get the old one as there was always something else I needed.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143681)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:05pm CDT
Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:05pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:In case you were wondering what the hole in Galvatron's chest is really for!
My paint work isn't finished on Galvatron yet, so the final version will be much more complete than what you see in the picture xD
Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143691)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT
There is a lot of room inside Galvatron's chest (there's storage for the missile launcher in there), you might be able to fit one of those super small sharpeners? I don't have one on-hand to try, but I feel like it could be possible!
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:
Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!
There is a lot of room inside Galvatron's chest (there's storage for the missile launcher in there), you might be able to fit one of those super small sharpeners? I don't have one on-hand to try, but I feel like it could be possible!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143693)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:27pm CDT
And lo, creation itself was complete and all in the heavens wept with joy.
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:27pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!
There is a lot of room inside Galvatron's chest (there's storage for the missile launcher in there), you might be able to fit one of those super small sharpeners? I don't have one on-hand to try, but I feel like it could be possible!
And lo, creation itself was complete and all in the heavens wept with joy.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143736)
Posted by ThunderThruster on September 5th, 2022 @ 7:33am CDT
As has been highlighted, this is only the case when HasTak actually have product themselves. For example, how many 3P MP style combiners are out there, yet HasTak are only just in the throws of releasing their own, so HasTak are only losing out as they don't have product to fill this niche.
Posted by ThunderThruster on September 5th, 2022 @ 7:33am CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"
As has been highlighted, this is only the case when HasTak actually have product themselves. For example, how many 3P MP style combiners are out there, yet HasTak are only just in the throws of releasing their own, so HasTak are only losing out as they don't have product to fill this niche.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143739)
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:48am CDT
KO garbage, unofficial garbage, call it what you want, it's all the same to me. As far as I'm concerned all they do is dilute and cheapen the brand. I have thousands of Transformers in my collection and it is 100% authentic (aside from some really awful Big Lots and Family Dollar KOs I keep around because I think they're funny and have the real versions of all of them).
But no, you didn't answer my question. I'm specifically talking about figures stolen from the factory that were different quality from what turned up in stores as you claimed. That's different from "pre-production samples" which always have a series of numbers printed directly on them. I don't believe you can give an example.
Back in the 00s Hasbro was black listing news sites that also reported on "3P" figures. Sites either ignored Hasbro or only kept it up temporarily. As far as I know only Seibertron never went back to reporting on them or photographing them for the gallery. Even the 3P forum is hidden from the main forum list. They did something similar with stores selling 3P figures. Since then BBTS only rarely puts 3P figures on their front page and they're rewarded with exclusives that other sites with 3P figures plastered all over the front page like TFSource don't have access to.
Meanwhile they're sending review kits to PVP so they clearly remain in Hasbro's good graces.
Read it, nothing on there convinces me they're A-OK. Saying "not clearly illegal" means they're not clearly legal either. "They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers" isn't a great argument in their favor either...
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:48am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
KO garbage, unofficial garbage, call it what you want, it's all the same to me. As far as I'm concerned all they do is dilute and cheapen the brand. I have thousands of Transformers in my collection and it is 100% authentic (aside from some really awful Big Lots and Family Dollar KOs I keep around because I think they're funny and have the real versions of all of them).
But no, you didn't answer my question. I'm specifically talking about figures stolen from the factory that were different quality from what turned up in stores as you claimed. That's different from "pre-production samples" which always have a series of numbers printed directly on them. I don't believe you can give an example.
primalxconvoy wrote:2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).
Back in the 00s Hasbro was black listing news sites that also reported on "3P" figures. Sites either ignored Hasbro or only kept it up temporarily. As far as I know only Seibertron never went back to reporting on them or photographing them for the gallery. Even the 3P forum is hidden from the main forum list. They did something similar with stores selling 3P figures. Since then BBTS only rarely puts 3P figures on their front page and they're rewarded with exclusives that other sites with 3P figures plastered all over the front page like TFSource don't have access to.
Meanwhile they're sending review kits to PVP so they clearly remain in Hasbro's good graces.
primalxconvoy wrote:As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/
There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.
Read it, nothing on there convinces me they're A-OK. Saying "not clearly illegal" means they're not clearly legal either. "They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers" isn't a great argument in their favor either...
Emerje
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143760)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 1:28pm CDT
Eh, to me that still sounds like a good enough of a reason for HasTak to still do some pouting. Even if there's no official figure of it yet, it's still largely based off of the designs from HasTak's own works, especially in the case of those faux-MP figs based off of the cartoon.
Like I said, I ain't gonna really pretend I know this stuff but it makes those unofficial MPs based off of Jetfire Skyfire seem a little awkward now that there's an official one. And who could forget the C & D of that unofficial Unicron when HasTak was already going to release their own?
I think that Unicron kerfuffle really solidifies that HasTak is not fond of "third party figures" more than some dweeb getting review kits.
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 1:28pm CDT
ThunderThruster wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"
As has been highlighted, this is only the case when HasTak actually have product themselves. For example, how many 3P MP style combiners are out there, yet HasTak are only just in the throws of releasing their own, so HasTak are only losing out as they don't have product to fill this niche.
Eh, to me that still sounds like a good enough of a reason for HasTak to still do some pouting. Even if there's no official figure of it yet, it's still largely based off of the designs from HasTak's own works, especially in the case of those faux-MP figs based off of the cartoon.
Like I said, I ain't gonna really pretend I know this stuff but it makes those unofficial MPs based off of Jetfire Skyfire seem a little awkward now that there's an official one. And who could forget the C & D of that unofficial Unicron when HasTak was already going to release their own?
I think that Unicron kerfuffle really solidifies that HasTak is not fond of "third party figures" more than some dweeb getting review kits.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143764)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:45pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:45pm CDT
Please note that some quotes have been edited for clarity/reduced word count, etc and that issues/debate relating to SS/official Hasbro figures have been posted here. See below for more details.
I already did. I've stated that problems mentioned regarding such "pre-production" items (and for discussion, I'm referring to items that have appeared before any official production items, or samples, have surfaced, complete with their boxes) have not always appeared in the versions I get in Japan (floppy joints, correctly assembled shoulder joints, etc). Quite recently, the review of such an item (Studio Series Crosshairs) seemed to lack parts from the alt mode that were believed/confirmed to be in the official production version. As this was an issue, Seibertron itself omitted pictures of the alt mode from the review, in order to avoid confusing people, I believe?
Also, I mentioned that this is a POTENTIAL problem, and not one that applies to every released product. Although some might think I would be happy if people stopped buying official TFs due to reviews of potentially stolen TFs (as I've read some people have stated they will/might do at the various TF sites in the comments sections), as this might be a wake-up call to Hasbro to take stricter measures against them. However I would happier if people would rather wait for reviews of legitimate, officially released TFs before deciding to veto any future purchases (rather than any potential problems mentioned in a review of any figure that's not proven to be a final release) or just not bother with watching the videos at all.
In the spirit of keeping posts as close to topic as possible, your quotes and my replies can be found at the most appropriate thread at Seibertron that I could find:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-p2143763.php#p2143763
If you have any evidence to the contrary regarding (what are still perfectly legal until proven otherwise) KO's or 3P products, I would be happy to receive them and add your findings to the link I've already supplied and to debate this aspect more at either the Allspark or Seibertron threads devoted to this subject (such as the one in my Sig)...
Emerje wrote:But no, you didn't answer my question. I'm specifically talking about figures (POTENTIALLY) stolen from the factory that were different quality from what turned up in stores as you claimed.
I already did. I've stated that problems mentioned regarding such "pre-production" items (and for discussion, I'm referring to items that have appeared before any official production items, or samples, have surfaced, complete with their boxes) have not always appeared in the versions I get in Japan (floppy joints, correctly assembled shoulder joints, etc). Quite recently, the review of such an item (Studio Series Crosshairs) seemed to lack parts from the alt mode that were believed/confirmed to be in the official production version. As this was an issue, Seibertron itself omitted pictures of the alt mode from the review, in order to avoid confusing people, I believe?
Also, I mentioned that this is a POTENTIAL problem, and not one that applies to every released product. Although some might think I would be happy if people stopped buying official TFs due to reviews of potentially stolen TFs (as I've read some people have stated they will/might do at the various TF sites in the comments sections), as this might be a wake-up call to Hasbro to take stricter measures against them. However I would happier if people would rather wait for reviews of legitimate, officially released TFs before deciding to veto any future purchases (rather than any potential problems mentioned in a review of any figure that's not proven to be a final release) or just not bother with watching the videos at all.
... (Views regarding 3P figures and Youtubers that review potentially stolen TFs)
In the spirit of keeping posts as close to topic as possible, your quotes and my replies can be found at the most appropriate thread at Seibertron that I could find:
- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-p2143763.php#p2143763
If you have any evidence to the contrary regarding (what are still perfectly legal until proven otherwise) KO's or 3P products, I would be happy to receive them and add your findings to the link I've already supplied and to debate this aspect more at either the Allspark or Seibertron threads devoted to this subject (such as the one in my Sig)...
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143765)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:50pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:50pm CDT
personally I just don't watch people like Player vs Player or Cookatron because their reviews are just boring in general 
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143766)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:57pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:57pm CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:personally I just don't watch people like Player vs Player or Cookatron because their reviews are just boring in general
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143767)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:06pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:06pm CDT
Can't say I've ever had a review dissuade me from buying a toy...or even persuade me.
I recall watching a review from Peaugh about a set...can't remember which one specifically, been a minute, but he was just talking about how awful they were and how crap they were and how bad they were...
I ended up getting the set myself anyway, and my set was perfectly fine
Ever since then I just buy the stuff myself and form my own opinion, I stick to reviewers who are entertaining or are thorough but neutral for the most part.
I don't need some nerd complaining to me about a kid's toy for half an hour or someone overly praising a hunk of plastic!
I recall watching a review from Peaugh about a set...can't remember which one specifically, been a minute, but he was just talking about how awful they were and how crap they were and how bad they were...
I ended up getting the set myself anyway, and my set was perfectly fine
Ever since then I just buy the stuff myself and form my own opinion, I stick to reviewers who are entertaining or are thorough but neutral for the most part.
I don't need some nerd complaining to me about a kid's toy for half an hour or someone overly praising a hunk of plastic!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143768)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:23pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:23pm CDT
Let's just keep focus on the toys rather then reviewers
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143769)
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:29pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:29pm CDT
The reviewers would be nothing without the toys anyway!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143781)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 5th, 2022 @ 5:26pm CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 5th, 2022 @ 5:26pm CDT
I'd like to share with you all something I've been working on recently!
This is what I'm calling the Studio Series September unoffical fan tournament! It's a round of 16 single elimination tournament to see what Studio Series figures from the existing movies the community most wants to see in the future! I felt like now was a good time to do it, before ROTB and possibly even other continuities get added to Studio Series.
Voting will start sometime next week (more details on that will be out soon), in the meantime here's the final bracket so you can make your own picks before the tournament rolls around!
This is what I'm calling the Studio Series September unoffical fan tournament! It's a round of 16 single elimination tournament to see what Studio Series figures from the existing movies the community most wants to see in the future! I felt like now was a good time to do it, before ROTB and possibly even other continuities get added to Studio Series.
Voting will start sometime next week (more details on that will be out soon), in the meantime here's the final bracket so you can make your own picks before the tournament rolls around!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143782)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 5th, 2022 @ 5:31pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 5th, 2022 @ 5:31pm CDT
Interesting idea 
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143788)
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 6:52pm CDT
Interesting idea. Not sure I see what tye could do in SS with some of those beyond what’s already been done, but yea its fun idea.
If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 6:52pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I'd like to share with you all something I've been working on recently!
This is what I'm calling the Studio Series September unoffical fan tournament! It's a round of 16 single elimination tournament to see what Studio Series figures from the existing movies the community most wants to see in the future! I felt like now was a good time to do it, before ROTB and possibly even other continuities get added to Studio Series.
Voting will start sometime next week (more details on that will be out soon), in the meantime here's the final bracket so you can make your own picks before the tournament rolls around!
Interesting idea. Not sure I see what tye could do in SS with some of those beyond what’s already been done, but yea its fun idea.
If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143796)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 7:49pm CDT
That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 7:49pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143811)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:31pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:31pm CDT
Hot Rod is looking very splendid, and I actually still like Crosshairs, given what they are trying to do with him.
As for EVB list/game, I find it a crime that Que isn't even rumored. He is now the only bot from DotM that needs done.
Also still very sad the live action Dinobots continue to get the shaft
As for EVB list/game, I find it a crime that Que isn't even rumored. He is now the only bot from DotM that needs done.
Also still very sad the live action Dinobots continue to get the shaft
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143812)
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:34pm CDT
Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:34pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Overcracker wrote:If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!
Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143816)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:44pm CDT
That was a convenience store exclusive or something. It came in a cheapo box made out of very thin cardboard. The packaging was thrown into the recycling bin.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:44pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Overcracker wrote:If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!
Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.
That was a convenience store exclusive or something. It came in a cheapo box made out of very thin cardboard. The packaging was thrown into the recycling bin.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143817)
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:51pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:51pm CDT
Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll! 
Honestly I think TLK Voyager Megatron is already perfect, they could easily just stuff it into SS with some minor changes.
Emerje
Honestly I think TLK Voyager Megatron is already perfect, they could easily just stuff it into SS with some minor changes.Emerje
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143819)
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:55pm CDT
Thanks. Just found it. It was a 7-Eleven Exclusive. Sad about the box being just cheap cardboard.
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:55pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Overcracker wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Overcracker wrote:If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!
Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.
That was a convenience store exclusive or something. It came in a cheapo box made out of very thin cardboard. The packaging was thrown into the recycling bin.
Thanks. Just found it. It was a 7-Eleven Exclusive. Sad about the box being just cheap cardboard.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143820)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:56pm CDT
There's some way to improve it. Scaling for once and hiding the feet better.
For me the perfect SS TLK LEADER Megs would be this: Take original voyager, add a few transformation steps for the feet and the backpack, fill in the hollow bits, and make it slightly bigger.
Yeah, that box is the same as your standard cereal box. No colors either. Came in slightly crushed of course. Clearly not a toy meant to be kept sealed.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:56pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll!
Emerje
There's some way to improve it. Scaling for once and hiding the feet better.
For me the perfect SS TLK LEADER Megs would be this: Take original voyager, add a few transformation steps for the feet and the backpack, fill in the hollow bits, and make it slightly bigger.
Overcracker wrote:
Thanks. Just found it. It (Takara's Legendary Nemesis Prime) was a 7-Eleven Exclusive. Sad about the box being just cheap cardboard.
Yeah, that box is the same as your standard cereal box. No colors either. Came in slightly crushed of course. Clearly not a toy meant to be kept sealed.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143821)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 5th, 2022 @ 9:25pm CDT
Thanks! Yeah, the existing Evasion Prime is great but I think there's a few things they could improve. The big one is alt mode, all of the toys (IIRC) are based on the freightliner truck rather than the Marmon truck he was in the movie.
Well, this might be our chance at doing something about that! I'm pulling in Seibertron, TFW, and Instagram in on this to try and get a big sample size, maybe Hasbro will take notice!
Yeah, there's some tough ones! Those are the top 16 from a list of over 50 characters I got from a bunch of top 15 lists, and honestly all of them are ones I'd pick up! And yeah, I agree - TLK voyager Megatron is great! A battle mask head would be cool though!
If anyone was curious about my bracket picks:
It was really tough not picking a Bumblebee for the win, but I really want to finish the DOTM Cast!
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on September 5th, 2022 @ 9:25pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:
Interesting idea. Not sure I see what tye could do in SS with some of those beyond what’s already been done, but yea its fun idea.
If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.
Thanks! Yeah, the existing Evasion Prime is great but I think there's a few things they could improve. The big one is alt mode, all of the toys (IIRC) are based on the freightliner truck rather than the Marmon truck he was in the movie.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hot Rod is looking very splendid, and I actually still like Crosshairs, given what they are trying to do with him.
As for EVB list/game, I find it a crime that Que isn't even rumored. He is now the only bot from DotM that needs done.
Also still very sad the live action Dinobots continue to get the shaft
Well, this might be our chance at doing something about that! I'm pulling in Seibertron, TFW, and Instagram in on this to try and get a big sample size, maybe Hasbro will take notice!
Emerje wrote:Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll!
Emerje
Yeah, there's some tough ones! Those are the top 16 from a list of over 50 characters I got from a bunch of top 15 lists, and honestly all of them are ones I'd pick up! And yeah, I agree - TLK voyager Megatron is great! A battle mask head would be cool though!
If anyone was curious about my bracket picks:
It was really tough not picking a Bumblebee for the win, but I really want to finish the DOTM Cast!
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143824)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 5th, 2022 @ 9:55pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 5th, 2022 @ 9:55pm CDT
FWIW, the Decepticon Protoforms you're referring to first appeared in ROTF rather than DOTM.
Re: New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons (2143825)
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 10:15pm CDT
No Allspark love?
Posted by primalxconvoy on September 5th, 2022 @ 10:15pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Overcracker wrote:
I'm pulling in Seibertron, TFW, and Instagram in on this to try and get a big sample size, maybe Hasbro will take notice!
No Allspark love?
