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[primalxconvoy]

I have removed posts that go against our rules

- Which ones? I only noticed the ones you removed the other day. I've also received no notifications via the site that posts were removed (which I've noticed Seibertron used to do, via an automated notification system), nor any PMs which contain a warning or notification of any posts being removed.

You can't criticize or antagonize staff on boards (sic) If you have issues, you know where to send a message.

When was there any criticism? Again, no direct messages or communication regarding this was given. And again, as stated, no PMs by you/the site have been received regarding this. Please feel free to use the very system you've suggested, as this seems the most logical in solving this issue, non?

I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.

That's the thing; you're not being clear. See above.

As due diligence, this will also be PMed to you.

[ZeroWolf]

I think I'm on board with new Crosshairs, I never did get the old one as there was always something else I needed.

[primalxconvoy]

In case you were wondering what the hole in Galvatron's chest is really for!

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My paint work isn't finished on Galvatron yet, so the final version will be much more complete than what you see in the picture xD

Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!

There is a lot of room inside Galvatron's chest (there's storage for the missile launcher in there), you might be able to fit one of those super small sharpeners? I don't have one on-hand to try, but I feel like it could be possible!

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[primalxconvoy]

Is there space inside the robot to (soft) mod it to hold an actual pencil sharpener? That would be superb!

There is a lot of room inside Galvatron's chest (there's storage for the missile launcher in there), you might be able to fit one of those super small sharpeners? I don't have one on-hand to try, but I feel like it could be possible!

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And lo, creation itself was complete and all in the heavens wept with joy.

[ThunderThruster]

I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"

As has been highlighted, this is only the case when HasTak actually have product themselves. For example, how many 3P MP style combiners are out there, yet HasTak are only just in the throws of releasing their own, so HasTak are only losing out as they don't have product to fill this niche.

[Emerje]

I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.

Emerje

1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.

KO garbage, unofficial garbage, call it what you want, it's all the same to me. As far as I'm concerned all they do is dilute and cheapen the brand. I have thousands of Transformers in my collection and it is 100% authentic (aside from some really awful Big Lots and Family Dollar KOs I keep around because I think they're funny and have the real versions of all of them).

But no, you didn't answer my question. I'm specifically talking about figures stolen from the factory that were different quality from what turned up in stores as you claimed. That's different from "pre-production samples" which always have a series of numbers printed directly on them. I don't believe you can give an example.

2/ Please cite evidence that "Hasbro hates (them) more than early sample reviews).

Back in the 00s Hasbro was black listing news sites that also reported on "3P" figures. Sites either ignored Hasbro or only kept it up temporarily. As far as I know only Seibertron never went back to reporting on them or photographing them for the gallery. Even the 3P forum is hidden from the main forum list. They did something similar with stores selling 3P figures. Since then BBTS only rarely puts 3P figures on their front page and they're rewarded with exclusives that other sites with 3P figures plastered all over the front page like TFSource don't have access to.

Meanwhile they're sending review kits to PVP so they clearly remain in Hasbro's good graces.

As you seem to lack knowledge about this subject, feel free to read the main page at this link:

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... hread.134/

There, you will find relevant links to the various definitions, facts, etc regarding this aspect of the TF fandom.

Read it, nothing on there convinces me they're A-OK. Saying "not clearly illegal" means they're not clearly legal either. "They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers" isn't a great argument in their favor either...

Emerje

[SpaceEagle]

I just assumed the basic logic on why HasTak would dislike unofficial figures more is because, well, "Hey, they're buying someone else's stuff based on our stuff rather than actually buying our stuff itself!"

As has been highlighted, this is only the case when HasTak actually have product themselves. For example, how many 3P MP style combiners are out there, yet HasTak are only just in the throws of releasing their own, so HasTak are only losing out as they don't have product to fill this niche.

Eh, to me that still sounds like a good enough of a reason for HasTak to still do some pouting. Even if there's no official figure of it yet, it's still largely based off of the designs from HasTak's own works, especially in the case of those faux-MP figs based off of the cartoon.
Like I said, I ain't gonna really pretend I know this stuff but it makes those unofficial MPs based off of Jetfire Skyfire seem a little awkward now that there's an official one. And who could forget the C & D of that unofficial Unicron when HasTak was already going to release their own?

I think that Unicron kerfuffle really solidifies that HasTak is not fond of "third party figures" more than some dweeb getting review kits.

[primalxconvoy]

Please note that some quotes have been edited for clarity/reduced word count, etc and that issues/debate relating to SS/official Hasbro figures have been posted here. See below for more details.

But no, you didn't answer my question. I'm specifically talking about figures (POTENTIALLY) stolen from the factory that were different quality from what turned up in stores as you claimed.

I already did. I've stated that problems mentioned regarding such "pre-production" items (and for discussion, I'm referring to items that have appeared before any official production items, or samples, have surfaced, complete with their boxes) have not always appeared in the versions I get in Japan (floppy joints, correctly assembled shoulder joints, etc). Quite recently, the review of such an item (Studio Series Crosshairs) seemed to lack parts from the alt mode that were believed/confirmed to be in the official production version. As this was an issue, Seibertron itself omitted pictures of the alt mode from the review, in order to avoid confusing people, I believe?

Also, I mentioned that this is a POTENTIAL problem, and not one that applies to every released product. Although some might think I would be happy if people stopped buying official TFs due to reviews of potentially stolen TFs (as I've read some people have stated they will/might do at the various TF sites in the comments sections), as this might be a wake-up call to Hasbro to take stricter measures against them. However I would happier if people would rather wait for reviews of legitimate, officially released TFs before deciding to veto any future purchases (rather than any potential problems mentioned in a review of any figure that's not proven to be a final release) or just not bother with watching the videos at all.

... (Views regarding 3P figures and Youtubers that review potentially stolen TFs)

In the spirit of keeping posts as close to topic as possible, your quotes and my replies can be found at the most appropriate thread at Seibertron that I could find:

- third-party-and-knock-off-transformers-news-p2143763.php#p2143763

If you have any evidence to the contrary regarding (what are still perfectly legal until proven otherwise) KO's or 3P products, I would be happy to receive them and add your findings to the link I've already supplied and to debate this aspect more at either the Allspark or Seibertron threads devoted to this subject (such as the one in my Sig)...

[SpaceEagle]

personally I just don't watch people like Player vs Player or Cookatron because their reviews are just boring in general

[primalxconvoy]

personally I just don't watch people like Player vs Player or Cookatron because their reviews are just boring in general

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[SpaceEagle]

Can't say I've ever had a review dissuade me from buying a toy...or even persuade me.
I recall watching a review from Peaugh about a set...can't remember which one specifically, been a minute, but he was just talking about how awful they were and how crap they were and how bad they were...
I ended up getting the set myself anyway, and my set was perfectly fine

Ever since then I just buy the stuff myself and form my own opinion, I stick to reviewers who are entertaining or are thorough but neutral for the most part.
I don't need some nerd complaining to me about a kid's toy for half an hour or someone overly praising a hunk of plastic!

[ZeroWolf]

Let's just keep focus on the toys rather then reviewers

[SpaceEagle]

The reviewers would be nothing without the toys anyway!

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I'd like to share with you all something I've been working on recently!

This is what I'm calling the Studio Series September unoffical fan tournament! It's a round of 16 single elimination tournament to see what Studio Series figures from the existing movies the community most wants to see in the future! I felt like now was a good time to do it, before ROTB and possibly even other continuities get added to Studio Series.

Voting will start sometime next week (more details on that will be out soon), in the meantime here's the final bracket so you can make your own picks before the tournament rolls around!

[ZeroWolf]

Interesting idea

[Overcracker]

I'd like to share with you all something I've been working on recently!

This is what I'm calling the Studio Series September unoffical fan tournament! It's a round of 16 single elimination tournament to see what Studio Series figures from the existing movies the community most wants to see in the future! I felt like now was a good time to do it, before ROTB and possibly even other continuities get added to Studio Series.

Voting will start sometime next week (more details on that will be out soon), in the meantime here's the final bracket so you can make your own picks before the tournament rolls around!

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Interesting idea. Not sure I see what tye could do in SS with some of those beyond what’s already been done, but yea its fun idea.

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

Evasion truck

Evasion Mode robot

[-Kanrabat-]

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Hot Rod is looking very splendid, and I actually still like Crosshairs, given what they are trying to do with him.

As for EVB list/game, I find it a crime that Que isn't even rumored. He is now the only bot from DotM that needs done.

Also still very sad the live action Dinobots continue to get the shaft

[Overcracker]

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!

Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.

[-Kanrabat-]

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!

Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.

That was a convenience store exclusive or something. It came in a cheapo box made out of very thin cardboard. The packaging was thrown into the recycling bin.

[Emerje]

Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll! Honestly I think TLK Voyager Megatron is already perfect, they could easily just stuff it into SS with some minor changes.

Emerje

[Overcracker]

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

That mold is compatible with the MP-10 trailer too!
I bought the "Nemesis Prime" version and a loose YTOH Optimus Prime trailer. Then I did a light custom. It was fun!

Never knew there was a Nemesis repaint of Legendary. Its a really fun mold yes.

That was a convenience store exclusive or something. It came in a cheapo box made out of very thin cardboard. The packaging was thrown into the recycling bin.

Thanks. Just found it. It was a 7-Eleven Exclusive. Sad about the box being just cheap cardboard.

[-Kanrabat-]

Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll! Honestly I think TLK Voyager Megatron is already perfect, they could easily just stuff it into SS with some minor changes.

Emerje

There's some way to improve it. Scaling for once and hiding the feet better.
For me the perfect SS TLK LEADER Megs would be this: Take original voyager, add a few transformation steps for the feet and the backpack, fill in the hollow bits, and make it slightly bigger.

Thanks. Just found it. It (Takara's Legendary Nemesis Prime) was a 7-Eleven Exclusive. Sad about the box being just cheap cardboard.

Yeah, that box is the same as your standard cereal box. No colors either. Came in slightly crushed of course. Clearly not a toy meant to be kept sealed.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Interesting idea. Not sure I see what tye could do in SS with some of those beyond what’s already been done, but yea its fun idea.

If people really want a good Evasion Mode Prime for instance, Takara’s Legendary version is as good as it gets without being a Masterpiece.

Thanks! Yeah, the existing Evasion Prime is great but I think there's a few things they could improve. The big one is alt mode, all of the toys (IIRC) are based on the freightliner truck rather than the Marmon truck he was in the movie.

Hot Rod is looking very splendid, and I actually still like Crosshairs, given what they are trying to do with him.

As for EVB list/game, I find it a crime that Que isn't even rumored. He is now the only bot from DotM that needs done.

Also still very sad the live action Dinobots continue to get the shaft

Well, this might be our chance at doing something about that! I'm pulling in Seibertron, TFW, and Instagram in on this to try and get a big sample size, maybe Hasbro will take notice!

Oh man, you put some hard choices in that poll! Honestly I think TLK Voyager Megatron is already perfect, they could easily just stuff it into SS with some minor changes.

Emerje

Yeah, there's some tough ones! Those are the top 16 from a list of over 50 characters I got from a bunch of top 15 lists, and honestly all of them are ones I'd pick up! And yeah, I agree - TLK voyager Megatron is great! A battle mask head would be cool though!

If anyone was curious about my bracket picks:

It was really tough not picking a Bumblebee for the win, but I really want to finish the DOTM Cast!