Wonderfest 2017 - Transformers Masterpiece MP-35 Grapple #tfワンフェス17w
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Posted by sol magnus on February 19th, 2017 @ 4:27pm CST
Posted by fenrir72 on February 19th, 2017 @ 11:32pm CST
So it wasn't lazy but intentional to "personalized" them. Same with Artfire who is a hybrid of both molds.
Posted by Cyberpath on February 20th, 2017 @ 4:33am CST
fenrir72 wrote:Just noticed this. Related to the Inferno mold. Takara didn't just do a lazy recolor.In order to make each unique, they added extra molding on Grapple's side shoulders and shins that were absent in Inferno.
So it wasn't lazy but intentional to "personalized" them. Same with Artfire who is a hybrid of both molds.
Yes, according to Takara, Inferno and Grapple have only 50% parts in common, and here they are:
The rest was retooled.
Here's a chart showing some of the differences --
viewtopic.php?t=107790&p=1827584#p1823081
I think Artfire is a straight up redeco of Inferno.
Posted by fenrir72 on February 20th, 2017 @ 7:51am CST
Cyberpath wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Just noticed this. Related to the Inferno mold. Takara didn't just do a lazy recolor.In order to make each unique, they added extra molding on Grapple's side shoulders and shins that were absent in Inferno.
So it wasn't lazy but intentional to "personalized" them. Same with Artfire who is a hybrid of both molds.
Yes, according to Takara, Inferno and Grapple have only 50% parts in common, and here they are:
The rest was retooled.
Here's a chart showing some of the differences --
viewtopic.php?t=107790&p=1827584#p1823081
I think Artfire is a straight up redeco of Inferno.
Artfire has that disc like thingie on his shoulders. Like Grapple's.
Posted by Relic0037 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:01pm CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 23rd, 2017 @ 7:41am CST
Posted by Burn on February 23rd, 2017 @ 2:08pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 23rd, 2017 @ 2:30pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 23rd, 2017 @ 2:39pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:Its a race then. Got my payment request as well, and for Cheetor too. Paid and shipped both. Niece to see shipping prices have gone down.
Did they go down or did your dollar go up?
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 23rd, 2017 @ 2:45pm CST
Posted by Burn on February 23rd, 2017 @ 4:17pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:Its a race then. Got my payment request as well, and for Cheetor too. Paid and shipped both. Niece to see shipping prices have gone down.
No race. You'll win easily as I can't afford to ship this week ($1,600 in local rates bill plus my car wants fuel)
Posted by Cyberpath on February 24th, 2017 @ 1:28am CST
Posted by Va'al on February 24th, 2017 @ 2:37am CST
Posted by frogbat on February 24th, 2017 @ 4:28am CST
And though I'm trying to avoid repaints cos well i'm broke, I will be getting grapple as he's one of the figures I always wanted to most as a kid, still have my g1 and an encore. Admittedly wasn't a fan of the generations figure...
Posted by Cyberpath on February 24th, 2017 @ 8:26am CST
Posted by xMXUx on February 24th, 2017 @ 9:05am CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 25th, 2017 @ 5:12am CST
Posted by Va'al on February 25th, 2017 @ 10:01am CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 25th, 2017 @ 1:26pm CST
He looks more plain than the slice of bread I had this morning.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:06pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 25th, 2017 @ 9:01pm CST
Heh. Using the other helmet helps to break up the sea of orange.william-james88 wrote:He looks more plain than the slice of bread I had this morning.
Posted by Va'al on February 26th, 2017 @ 8:41am CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 26th, 2017 @ 3:29pm CST
Posted by fenrir72 on February 26th, 2017 @ 7:11pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
He looks more plain than the slice of bread I had this morning.
You plan on getting him?
Posted by nycPrime on February 26th, 2017 @ 9:03pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:william-james88 wrote:
He looks more plain than the slice of bread I had this morning.
You plan on getting him?
Any chance of getting him now without paying a fortune?
Posted by william-james88 on February 26th, 2017 @ 9:21pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:You plan on getting him?
I gind these very expensive. I would only get either of them if I could get them for a good price. Like less than $100 shipped.
And he is still available for standard retail prices, you can get him at nippon yassan: https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/18 ... apple.html
Posted by fenrir72 on February 26th, 2017 @ 11:51pm CST
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:You plan on getting him?
I gind these very expensive. I would only get either of them if I could get them for a good price. Like less than $100 shipped.
And he is still available for standard retail prices, you can get him at nippon yassan: https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/18 ... apple.html
I feel the negativity feedback of the lack of details from Inferno may be holding you back. But don't deprive yourself of the joy of owning him. Remember the negativity on MP-IH? Also, Grapple does have a tad more details than Inferno.
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 27th, 2017 @ 7:26am CST
fenrir72 wrote:william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:You plan on getting him?
I gind these very expensive. I would only get either of them if I could get them for a good price. Like less than $100 shipped.
And he is still available for standard retail prices, you can get him at nippon yassan: https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/18 ... apple.html
I feel the negativity feedback of the lack of details from Inferno may be holding you back. But don't deprive yourself of the joy of owning him. Remember the negativity on MP-IH? Also, Grapple does have a tad more details than Inferno.
Its not so much negativity, but the fact that Inferno and Grapple are not worth paying over 100 bucks for.
Posted by william-james88 on February 27th, 2017 @ 9:03am CST
fenrir72 wrote:I feel the negativity feedback of the lack of details from Inferno may be holding you back. But don't deprive yourself of the joy of owning him. Remember the negativity on MP-IH? Also, Grapple does have a tad more details than Inferno.
Its the price that is holding me back. I paid $60 USD for Ironhide. If someone was selling MP Inferno or Grapple for that price, I would buy it. I would be uch more forgiving of the lack of detail and plain-ness if they were $60.
Posted by fenrir72 on February 27th, 2017 @ 9:15am CST
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:I feel the negativity feedback of the lack of details from Inferno may be holding you back. But don't deprive yourself of the joy of owning him. Remember the negativity on MP-IH? Also, Grapple does have a tad more details than Inferno.
Its the price that is holding me back. I paid $60 USD for Ironhide. If someone was selling MP Inferno or Grapple for that price, I would buy it.
Based on your previous statement I thought it was the lack of molding details. Anyways, being pragmatic, costs also factors in big time. Trouble is, great molds appreciate too fast in the secondary market and are so gone ,while misses like the Tracks mold drops like a hot potato. (And Mitsubishi must be charging an arm and a leg for the license (and yet I find nary an actual Mitsubishi emblem on Inferno )
Ironhidensh wrote:fenrir72 wrote:william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:You plan on getting him?
I gind these very expensive. I would only get either of them if I could get them for a good price. Like less than $100 shipped.
And he is still available for standard retail prices, you can get him at nippon yassan: https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/18 ... apple.html
I feel the negativity feedback of the lack of details from Inferno may be holding you back. But don't deprive yourself of the joy of owning him. Remember the negativity on MP-IH? Also, Grapple does have a tad more details than Inferno.
Its not so much negativity, but the fact that Inferno and Grapple are not worth paying over 100 bucks for.
I hear you too IHD. But on your side of the fence, I don't think it's the cost issues that bothers you but more on the "zing" of the figure. I'm also a bit like you with regards to Beastwars (though I did get the recent MP Munky and haven't regretted the decision). Though you have to admit, when it came to the IH mold, it did impressed you eventually.
Posted by william-james88 on February 27th, 2017 @ 9:55am CST
fenrir72 wrote:Based on your previous statement I thought it was the lack of molding details. Anyways, being pragmatic, costs also factors in big time. Trouble is, great molds appreciate too fast in the secondary market and are so gone ,while misses like the Tracks mold drops like a hot potato. (And Mitsubishi must be charging an arm and a leg for the license (and yet I find nary an actual Mitsubishi emblem on Inferno )
The lack of detail is just a very easy visual factor t point out when showing the contrast behind the price and what you are getting for it. Ironhide was 7000 yen (while inferno is 11000) and while both dont have the most of detail, I am more forgiving of ironhide especially with the ton of accessories. Of all the MPs so far, I would say Ironhide has the best value.
Now for the secondary market, things are changing. Takara and Hasbro have started reissuing plenty. MP 10 and Soundwave are good examples, but there is also wheeljack and magnus. If these sell out before I have a chance of getting them for a decent price, then I can always wait for a rerelease. Development cost is high so Takara is bound to rerelease them and i can wait. Plus as I wait, you will have people liquidating their collections and I really dont mind getting a second hand MP toy, especially when most collectors just pose them like statues.
So I have plenty of options in the long run and I am waiting this guy out.
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 27th, 2017 @ 11:36am CST
Posted by Bumblebee21 on February 27th, 2017 @ 2:19pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:Ironhide did eventually grow on me. Inferno still hasnt, and I'll let you know about grapple in a couple hours.
plz do
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 27th, 2017 @ 2:25pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 27th, 2017 @ 2:38pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:On today's episode of "Ironhidensh makes no goddamn sense at all", I still hate Inferno, but I'm really digging on Grapple. Not sure why, but there you go.
I am surprised you spent the big bucks to get these two. They are just too much for me (as was Magnus).
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 27th, 2017 @ 4:03pm CST
With Grapple, I preordered when they first became available, just in case, and decided to stick with it. I've heard MMC's Grapple didn't come out as well as Inferno, so there we are.
Posted by fenrir72 on February 27th, 2017 @ 6:29pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:On today's episode of "Ironhidensh makes no goddamn sense at all", I still hate Inferno, but I'm really digging on Grapple. Not sure why, but there you go.
It's the "zing"!
That and Grapple has those disc thingies on his shoulders and the extra grooves on his shins.
Posted by Oberon22 on March 2nd, 2017 @ 12:12pm CST
Posted by fenrir72 on March 2nd, 2017 @ 6:00pm CST
Oberon22 wrote:I like both Grapple and Inferno and have ordered Artfire too. I probably won't be ordering Hauler though. The figures are incredible. The only thing that is really disappointing to me is the lack of back lights on the vehicles and lack of rear view mirrors. More chrome would have been cool too.
Hauler is confirmed?
Anyways mine just got shipped yesterday
Posted by fenrir72 on March 2nd, 2017 @ 6:11pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:Oberon22 wrote:I like both Grapple and Inferno and have ordered Artfire too. I probably won't be ordering Hauler though. The figures are incredible. The only thing that is really disappointing to me is the lack of back lights on the vehicles and lack of rear view mirrors. More chrome would have been cool too.
Hauler is confirmed?
As for the chrome, Don't be too excited about that because in my MP IH case, the chrome has corroded in such a short time (mine is the first JP release and handled minimally at the front bumper with latex gloves)
As for the "details", you can use this:
or wait for the official "Grapple" decal by Ocean decals which is an officially licensed Hasbro product.
Anyways mine just got shipped yesterday
Posted by Oberon22 on March 2nd, 2017 @ 7:40pm CST
I am actually fine with the details. But alt modes are the most important for me. Starting with Ironhide they stopped making rear view mirrors and now even back lights. That's like leaving the vehicle incomplete.
I didn't know Hasbro would make official decals for Grapple??? How is that?
Posted by Sabrblade on March 2nd, 2017 @ 8:32pm CST
Well, Takara, Hasbro, Fun Pub, e-HOBBY, and all others never did a Hauler redeco of the Universe Inferno/Reveal the Shield Solar Storm Grappel mold.Oberon22 wrote:Hauler is not confirmed but can we have even the slightest doubt they will miss the opportunity for the repaint?
Posted by fenrir72 on March 2nd, 2017 @ 9:14pm CST
Oberon22 wrote:Hauler is not confirmed but can we have even the slightest doubt they will miss the opportunity for the repaint?
I am actually fine with the details. But alt modes are the most important for me. Starting with Ironhide they stopped making rear view mirrors and now even back lights. That's like leaving the vehicle incomplete.
I didn't know Hasbro would make official decals for Grapple??? How is that?
Officially sanctioned by Hb Asia Decals. Got the info it straight from Hb Australia.
They are transfer decal types. kinda a pain in the azz to aply so it's up to you how much bling you want to add.
Though I am kinda stumped where this red square goes to. Maybe the ladder?
Inferno's decal set more or less approximates the same details as Grapple so you can add them or wait for the actual Grapple set.
Posted by Logan. on March 3rd, 2017 @ 3:54am CST
Posted by REMINATOR on March 5th, 2017 @ 11:47am CST
Posted by Burn on March 8th, 2017 @ 2:11am CST
From what I've seen (there's very few pictures of his back) the flap on his head/neck should fit over the fold of the crane yeah?
I can't get the crane to sit forward enough in the chest. grrrrrr
-edit-
Girlfriend figured it out. I'd missed the step in folding the hook down (I folded the hook, but not the arm it was attached too).
Crane magic isn't as much fun as ladder magic.
Posted by fenrir72 on March 16th, 2017 @ 8:26am CDT
I was expecting my Kotobukiya Marie Rose figure and Grapple showed up...FIRST ( I paid for him last!
My impressions (a very biased source).
Subtle differences makes Grapple NOT a lazy retool
Height. Both are basically almost as tall as each other but Grapple's groin/hip/whatchamacallit is slightly lower making/giving him the appearance of slightly shorter than Inferno.
The crane transform voodoo as Burn mentioned is a bit harder to do than the ladder. Locking the back panels takes getting used too (the one that makes up what we humans call the shoulder blades) The peg keeps on popping off.
The extra panels of the crane that don't fold into his back folds up to his back calves.
Obvious ones are the extra panels on his shoulders and shins.
Mine is the JP version so no extra freebies.
Get? Or not? Tough call unless you are into other stuff I recommend him. Just watch out for corroding chrome 1 year from now.
Posted by Bumblebee21 on March 16th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
thhe vehicle mode is shorter than inferno and hes about an inch or two shorter than iinferno
Posted by Ironhidensh on March 16th, 2017 @ 8:57am CDT
Burn wrote:Getting frustrated here ... what's the trick to getting the crane to sit flush?
From what I've seen (there's very few pictures of his back) the flap on his head/neck should fit over the fold of the crane yeah?
I can't get the crane to sit forward enough in the chest. grrrrrr
-edit-
Girlfriend figured it out. I'd missed the step in folding the hook down (I folded the hook, but not the arm it was attached too).
Crane magic isn't as much fun as ladder magic.
Noob.
Posted by fenrir72 on March 16th, 2017 @ 9:27am CDT
Bumblebee21 wrote:grapple is shorter than inferno thats why you cant keep the hose hand in vehicle mode.
thhe vehicle mode is shorter than inferno and hes about an inch or two shorter than iinferno
millimeter/centimeter I believe you mean.