Voyager Class Battletrap revealed as BotCon 2015 Transformers Exclusive

Just as we all called it!

Now bring on a Flywheels from Blitzwing/Doubledealer!

Neat.

This set is very blue so far.

Honestly, even though this is the superior figure, mold wise, I would've proffered Fly wheels from blitzing being the foremost duocon . Also the head looks a little small compared to the long neck. Though I think the reason it looks off is because the goggles are more of aviators on this figure, rather than the well large temple, to temple goggles on the original.

anything with the springer mold is awesome. Uhh...so the question is...do I NEED to get this set, or do I WANT to get this set?

From the sound of his bio, he might be originally from (a version of) the Dreamwave G1 continuity.

Sabrblade wrote:Just as we all called it!

We rule! Nice job on properly decoding the prison number btw (591-9687D: 591, May 91, debut in Marvel comics; 96, or D-96 is his Japanese ID; 87, 1987, the release year of his G1 toy)

Actually looks pretty decent, in all modes despite the broken palette.

I normally end up trying to get a single Botcon figure (Sir Soundwave, Land Shark and such.)

I always liked Battletrap and as I had both Duocons, I preferred him so this news is solid.

From the *SPRINGER* mold complete with new head guys. Not the blitzwing mold. wut are you doin D:

durroth wrote:From the *SPRINGER* mold complete with new head guys. Not the blitzwing mold. wut are you doin D:

DOH! Thanks for pointing this out. Feeding my 4 month old and trying to write news stories at the same time don't work that well together.

I have no working knowledge of the Duocons but this is a very nice upgrade. I love it! And I see a lot of effort went into homaging the color pattern of the old toy. Good job!

Of course this means flywheels will be the blitzwing mold and he will be a convention exclusive to make you spend more money. Im kind of feeling them. But they will need some 3rd party accessories to differentiate them from springer and blitzwing. New heads arent enough.

Rated X wrote:Of course this means flywheels will be the blitzwing mold and he will be a convention exclusive to make you spend more money. Im kind of feeling them. But they will need some 3rd party accessories to differentiate them from springer and blitzwing. New heads arent enough.

Or is this a collaboration with Hasbro to get people to buy that awful colored two pack of Astrotrain and Blitzwing

Rated X wrote:Of course this means flywheels will be the blitzwing mold and he will be a convention exclusive to make you spend more money. Im kind of feeling them. But they will need some 3rd party accessories to differentiate them from springer and blitzwing. New heads arent enough.

I've often wondered why they don't provide new accessories on some occasions. It would go a long ways toward selling some of these figures.

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:Of course this means flywheels will be the blitzwing mold and he will be a convention exclusive to make you spend more money. Im kind of feeling them. But they will need some 3rd party accessories to differentiate them from springer and blitzwing. New heads arent enough.

I've often wondered why they don't provide new accessories on some occasions. It would go a long ways toward selling some of these figures.

I always assumed it had to do with their ability to only alter one aspect of each mold. Like, remolding a head or a wing or some other piece is one thing, but making a brand new accessory mold might be out of their league. That they can include some new accessories like Arms Microns or Scorponok's G1 Spike molded head is likely due to those molds already existing.

Of note is that he said

"there's very little blue on the next three, if any."

Another clue to the next reveals... and it would exclude that little blue guy we saw earlier. Back to the drawing board

I did some looking into BotCon 1996 for the Bounty Hunter, and... I can tell it wasn't a very good convention to say the least (thank you, Men in Black). Anyway, Pulp Fiction theme, Onyx Primal, G2 Greasepit, Double Pretenders, what else do we have that's unique to that convention?

Notice that the toy reveals have thus far been in the same order as on the BotCon 2015 website. First was the thief, now the muscle. If this keeps up, we'll see next the Loose Cannon, then the Boss, and last the Bounty Hunter.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Of note is that he said

"there's very little blue on the next three, if any."

Another clue to the next reveals... and it would exclude that little blue guy we saw earlier. Back to the drawing board

I did some looking into BotCon 1996 for the Bounty Hunter, and... I can tell it wasn't a very good convention to say the least (thank you, Men in Black). Anyway, Pulp Fiction theme, Onyx Primal, G2 Greasepit, Double Pretenders, what else do we have that's unique to that convention?

What about a Dawn of Future's Past Onyx Primal? I was initially thinking we'd need a bat related mold (such as Generations Ratbat) with a new Onyx Primal/Optimus head, but then realized he could be any vehicle. Heck, they could do the Lio Convoy / IDW Orion Pax mold done in black and golds for an Onyx Primal (or whatever colors Onyx Primal was).

I dunno, personally I would have died laughing if every figure had blue and grey as the main colors... also, onyx primal... I'd say ratbat/scourge, possibly a new head, and Legends COmmander/Robot Masters Optimus Primal's swords.

Sabrblade wrote:Notice that the toy reveals have thus far been in the same order as on the BotCon 2015 website. First was the thief, now the muscle. If this keeps up, we'll see next the Loose Cannon, then the Boss, and last the Bounty Hunter.

Well of course, they want to save Pretender Oilmaster with Pretender Shell for the last reveal.

Black, white and gold.



Hm. Maybe scratch my idea. It seems Nova Prime has very similar colors. I wonder if he'll get repurposed?

jhiaxus with armada starscream's swords and a new head would equally work for a DoFP or Beast Wars Uprising version of Onyx Primal

durroth wrote:jhiaxus with armada starscream's swords and a new head would equally work for a DoFP or Beast Wars Uprising version of Onyx Primal

Why not just use the Armada Starscream tooling?

Also, give us FLYWHEELS!!!

megatronus wrote:

durroth wrote:jhiaxus with armada starscream's swords and a new head would equally work for a DoFP or Beast Wars Uprising version of Onyx Primal

Why not just use the Armada Starscream tooling?

Also, give us FLYWHEELS!!!

Armada Starscream with a new Optimus head to give us Onyx Primal and Bat Optimus Primal would be pretty cool.

Onyx Primal from Jhiaxus? Pure Genius!

You know who else needs an update really bad? BotCon 1995 Nightracer, though I don't have any suggestions off the top of my head. At this point, I'm game for Generations Arcee to get a new head for Nightbird, a new head for Nightracer, and a repaint as Paradron Medic. There you go Hasbro and Fun Pub. 3 new uses for Arcee. Plus if they swapped out a piece on her for a diecast piece, gave her a slavish G1 cartoon paint job, and plopped her in a 1986 replica package to sell as a premium item, there'd be a 4th use.

Seibertron wrote:Black, white and gold.



Hm. Maybe scratch my idea. It seems Nova Prime has very similar colors. I wonder if he'll get repurposed?

*gasp!* Ryan, you might be onto something!

It's been rumored that that Nova Prime toy could represent a Beast Wars: Uprising version of the guy, as a clone of Lio Convoy. But, if it were instead to be repurposed as an Uprising version of Onyx Primal, him being Lio Convoy's clone would make a lot more sense than Nova Prime would, and could doubly serve as a throwback to Black Lio Convoy having been a clone of the BWII cartoon Lio Convoy. And it would validate Pete Sinclair's original statement of this Nova Prime not being an Uprising character.

Wholeheartedly, this "Nova Prime repuposed as Onyx Primal" idea of yours is brilliant!

This may be the first BotCon set I get.

Seibertron wrote:You know who else needs an update really bad? BotCon 1995 Nightracer, though I don't have any suggestions off the top of my head. At this point, I'm game for Generations Arcee to get a new head for Nightbird, a new head for Nightracer, and a repaint as Paradron Medic. There you go Hasbro and Fun Pub. 3 new uses for Arcee.

It's been speculated Nightracer's the super duper secret chocolaty fudge covered bonus legends class figure for TFSS 3.0, being a retool or legends tailgate.

I'm surprised we still haven't seen a slavish G2 version of Jhiaxus yet. It'd be great to get a multi-pack of him with some G2 Decepticon Drones like Mindset.

Oh lord. i have not wanted a botcon set this much in a long time.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Seibertron wrote:You know who else needs an update really bad? BotCon 1995 Nightracer, though I don't have any suggestions off the top of my head. At this point, I'm game for Generations Arcee to get a new head for Nightbird, a new head for Nightracer, and a repaint as Paradron Medic. There you go Hasbro and Fun Pub. 3 new uses for Arcee.

It's been speculated Nightracer's the super duper secret chocolaty fudge covered bonus legends class figure for TFSS 3.0, being a retool or legends tailgate.

That would be awesome to get Nightracer out of Legends Tailgate. The circle would be near complete. I'd still love to get a Tailgate toy out of the RTS Windcharger mold though to complete the circle. Tailgate has the right head for a Nightracer update and she could technically double as a Wipe-Out. Well, sort of. Colors are a bit off.

Duocons is a gimmick that needs to be given a modern take, not a easy way out through triple-changing.

Seibertron wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Seibertron wrote:You know who else needs an update really bad? BotCon 1995 Nightracer, though I don't have any suggestions off the top of my head. At this point, I'm game for Generations Arcee to get a new head for Nightbird, a new head for Nightracer, and a repaint as Paradron Medic. There you go Hasbro and Fun Pub. 3 new uses for Arcee.

It's been speculated Nightracer's the super duper secret chocolaty fudge covered bonus legends class figure for TFSS 3.0, being a retool or legends tailgate.

That would be awesome to get Nightracer out of Legends Tailgate. The circle would be near complete. I'd still love to get a Tailgate toy out of the RTS Windcharger mold though to complete the circle. Tailgate has the right head for a Nightracer update and she could technically double as a Wipe-Out. Well, sort of. Colors are a bit off.

I don't know, I think tailgate might be a bit to clunky for night racer, i've always wanted one out of Animated Arcee

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Onyx Primal from Jhiaxus? Pure Genius!

I've been saying this for about a month now.

Perdy. Want. 1 of 2 so far.

flywheels and battletrap really need to be remade.

Railbomb wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Onyx Primal from Jhiaxus? Pure Genius!

I've been saying this for about a month now.

Indeed you have ... another fine example of great minds thinking alike!

The Jiaxus idea is solid! Before hearing that, I was really wanting to see the Sandstorm mold in black. A Batmobile and Tumbler would look amazing in black. That would be a vastly different look for that mold's wild orange deco.

Of course, it wouldn't look as much like the original... more a re-imagining. Either way, I hope Onyx Primal is in the lineup... especially with a vehicle mode.

Doing the math, These Botcon toys are more expensive than Third party toys of the same toy class.

The average stay at home Botcon Five pack gift set cost anywhere from $399 to $429. With tax and shipping fees for such a big heavy box. The grand total is now $450. $450 divided by Five figures is $90 for each toy. Most Botcon gift sets have more deluxes and maybe One or Two Voyager toys

$450 divided into Five toys is $90 for each toy. Means each deluxe cost $90. Each Voyager or Ultra cost $90.

Currently third party companies offer a new sculpt deluxe toy for around $60. A new sculpt Voyager for around $75.

Now Discussing the Actual Botcon Battle Trap toy. Think the blue needed to be much darker. The white needed to be darker like off white or mild grey. To better match the colors shades of the G1 toy.

Miss the days of 3H when the Botcon toys all came in separate boxes. Cost more than Half of what FunPub is charging. Think the first Botcon year Hasbro gave away the first Convention toy for free.

The thing that hurts Onyx Primal's chances of being in this year boxed set line up is Oilmaster's better chance since Oilmaster not only showed up at BotCon 1996 like Onyx did but is also a bounty hunter, whereas Onyx Primal is an infiltrator, an assassin, and/or a Tripredacus agent.

Sabrblade wrote:The thing that hurts Onyx Primal's chances of being in this year boxed set line up is Oilmaster's better chance since Oilmaster not only showed up at BotCon 1996 like Onyx did but is also a bounty hunter, whereas Onyx Primal is an infiltrator, an assassin, and/or a Tripredacus agent.

How do we know this version of onyx primal is the same one from 3H

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The thing that hurts Onyx Primal's chances of being in this year boxed set line up is Oilmaster's better chance since Oilmaster not only showed up at BotCon 1996 like Onyx did but is also a bounty hunter, whereas Onyx Primal is an infiltrator, an assassin, and/or a Tripredacus agent.

How do we know this version of onyx primal is the same one from 3H

Not saying he's the 3H one, but the IDW one had the same assassin function as well. I was counting every iteration of the guy, who have all been mostly the same kind of character. If the Club were to reinvent Onyx as a new bounty hunter type character, then there wouldn't be much reason for them to make it be Onyx instead of any one of the already existing bounty hunter type characters.

Plus, as I said, Oilmaster's already got both of the "BotCon 1996" and "bounty hunter" traits going for him, helping his own chances and hurting Onyx's.

Burn wrote:Duocons is a gimmick that needs to be given a modern take, not a easy way out through triple-changing.

That is true. Its not like it would be very hard either. I have seen a few awesome customs out of energon molds and some PCC figures.

honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

Sabrblade wrote:Wholeheartedly, this "Nova Prime repuposed as Onyx Primal" idea of yours is brilliant!

I'm on-board, too! Good call.

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

Looks like a giant Beachcomber to me.

megatronus wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

And wouldn't it kinda destroy the bat-like characteristics of Jhiaxus's wings to make the same slots on the wings for the swords that Starscream's wing have?

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

And wouldn't it kinda destroy the bat-like characteristics of Jhiaxus's wings to make the same slots on the wings for the swords that Starscream's wing have?

I never said anything about retooling the wings for that. They could always pull a SG Drift anyway