Video Review of Transformers Generations War for Cybertron Earthrise Deluxe Class Cliffjumper

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Geez Cliffjumper's small! I mean, I like it, it works very well, but I was also expecting him to be slightly taller than that. Still really excited for the figure though

The smaller, the better, I say. Makes it easier for him to scale correctly with the Legends Class figures from Thrilling 30 and the Prime Wars Trilogy. Anyone got a picture handy of Titans Return Bumblebee next to Siege Voyager Optimus Prime?

PrimeVsPrime has to be on Hasbro's payroll. Every single review he does of a Hasbro Transformer; you would think it's the greatest toy ever made in the history of the universe. Sure they are decent toys. But "absolutely perfect; phenomenal; sublime" are not words that apply to them.

hausjam wrote:PrimeVsPrime has to be on Hasbro's payroll. Every single review he does of a Hasbro Transformer; you would think it's the greatest toy ever made in the history of the universe. Sure they are decent toys. But "absolutely perfect; phenomenal; sublime" are not words that apply to them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

Well, they're words that YOU wouldn't use...

hausjam wrote:PrimeVsPrime has to be on Hasbro's payroll. Every single review he does of a Hasbro Transformer; you would think it's the greatest toy ever made in the history of the universe. Sure they are decent toys. But "absolutely perfect; phenomenal; sublime" are not words that apply to them.

I don't care about the guy's exuberance. I care about whether or not I like the figure based on what he shows. I actually expect exuberance (whether or not I agree with it).

How do people feel about the parts-forming rear end of the car/backpack of robot mode? I wouldn't mind it as much if the back end turned into a useable shield or something, a la Titans Return Brawn, but it's pretty much just back kibble and nothing else of note.

Wolfman Jake wrote:How do people feel about the parts-forming rear end of the car/backpack of robot mode? I wouldn't mind it as much if the back end turned into a useable shield or something, a la Titans Return Brawn, but it's pretty much just back kibble and nothing else of note.

I mean, I'll be honest, I'm not happy with it, but I can also see a potential shield. It's not great, but it's not a deal-breaker to me because at least it can store in robot mode. If it had nowhere to peg in robot mode, then I'd be a little more annoyed with it

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:How do people feel about the parts-forming rear end of the car/backpack of robot mode? I wouldn't mind it as much if the back end turned into a useable shield or something, a la Titans Return Brawn, but it's pretty much just back kibble and nothing else of note.

I mean, I'll be honest, I'm not happy with it, but I can also see a potential shield. It's not great, but it's not a deal-breaker to me because at least it can store in robot mode. If it had nowhere to peg in robot mode, then I'd be a little more annoyed with it

It looks like a usable shield to me. I don't mind the parts forming, especially when useful and besides it looks good pegged into his back.

Immediate response: Shocked Pikachu face! That's cheating!

Me five minutes later: What's wrong with you, it's fine, it looks good in both modes, pretend you're an adult

It's disappointing to me with the partsforming, but it's not a complete deal-breaker. I'll be way more upset if Cliffjumper is still grossly oversized compared to the T30/CW/TR/PotP Legends Class figures.

Looks great but I am not digging that partsforming backpack.

Wolfman Jake wrote:It's disappointing to me with the partsforming, but it's not a complete deal-breaker. I'll be way more upset if Cliffjumper is still grossly oversized compared to the T30/CW/TR/PotP Legends Class figures.

That'll be the real tragedy. With the size comp to Siege Prime, CliffyJ appears to be just a bit taller/bigger than a legends figure.



Of course it's hard to get a good sense of scale at these different perspectives. Bee comes right up to the bottom of Primes crotch where it appears that Cliffjumper comes up to the top of the blue square codpiece.

I'm getting that red bastard regardless

He looks pretty good. I'll be picking him up

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:It's disappointing to me with the partsforming, but it's not a complete deal-breaker. I'll be way more upset if Cliffjumper is still grossly oversized compared to the T30/CW/TR/PotP Legends Class figures.

That'll be the real tragedy. With the size comp to Siege Prime, CliffyJ appears to be just a bit taller/bigger than a legends figure.

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Of course it's hard to get a good sense of scale at these different perspectives. Bee comes right up to the bottom of Primes crotch where it appears that Cliffjumper comes up to the top of the blue square codpiece.

I'm getting that red bastard regardless

If the difference is really just a few millimeters, we can probably cheat Cliffjumper just a bit shorter, enough to fit in with the old Legends figures, by bending his knees slightly or finding some other "mistransformation" trick to reduce his height just enough.

That reviewer was pretty bad but hey, at least the figure might not be much bigger than a legends figure which is the deciding factor for me on him rather than the price point for a change.

The parts forming is pretty odd because its not as though the chest is accurate to have an excuse for parts forming to make things more accurate.

Why are they always giving the newer G1 style Cliffjumpers and Bumblebees those horrible clown feet?

Partsforming, huh?

Well ... I already have a Cliffjumper in storage. Maybe I'll just get a figure I'm totally happy with.

Well this review just reinforced that I don't want Cliffjumper because he just isn't for me. I really like the engineering present here, I love the little dedicated tabs and such for his weapons in alt mode and his transformation looks more involved and fun than I expected, but I just am not a fan of his G1 design, it's too bland for me and I don't really want any Deluxes shorter than Refraktor. Maybe I'd get it as one of the Wrecker-aligned fellows who use this body-type, although I don't know what kind of accessories they'd have, but as of right now I don't really want this.

I'd also like to say that the "partsforming" on the back isn't really an issue for me, I don't really consider just one piece coming off to be partsforming. The fact that it has three posts on the back of it means it should absolutely be usable as a shield, and this probably will make it easier for them to remold that back of the car so any retools of the figure aren't limited to having the same exact alt mode. Plus I don't really see how they could have made it not come off without having to hamper the waist articulation of the figure by having it attach there via a strut of some kind, or by drastically changing how it transforms.

DeathReviews wrote:Why are they always giving the newer G1 style Cliffjumpers and Bumblebees those horrible clown feet?

I imagine it's because, being based on G1 designs, their feet are usually the front bumper of their alt-mode, so it's probably difficult to get the proportions to look good as both the front of a car and feet.

I wish his feet weren't so blocky but overall, I really like the look of the robot mode.

Bigger feet should also make him more stable. Most figures now have heel-tabs, but his transformation works differently.

I'm surprised that so many people are disappointed; CJ is the major missing piece of my minibots collection, and this figure looks like a near-perfect fit. I'm not going to sweat a quarter of an inch.

Only things that could make it sweeter are a Hubcap repaint and a new Huffer mold.

pretty happy about Cliff's size. But regarding the minibots, I really feel Warpath and Huffer need appropriate updates. (In Warpath's case, i wouldn't mind a more traditional deluxe size since I always saw him as the largest of the minibots. And It's been quite a a while since Gears was released, so maybe throw him a bone too.

Slashercon wrote:pretty happy about Cliff's size. But regarding the minibots, I really feel Warpath and Huffer need appropriate updates. (In Warpath's case, i wouldn't mind a more traditional deluxe size since I always saw him as the largest of the minibots. And It's been quite a a while since Gears was released, so maybe throw him a bone too.

Traditional-Deluxe-sized Warpath has existed since 2011.

Sabrblade wrote:

Slashercon wrote:pretty happy about Cliff's size. But regarding the minibots, I really feel Warpath and Huffer need appropriate updates. (In Warpath's case, i wouldn't mind a more traditional deluxe size since I always saw him as the largest of the minibots. And It's been quite a a while since Gears was released, so maybe throw him a bone too.

Traditional-Deluxe-sized Warpath has existed since 2011.

Traditional Robot design too:


Transformers Generations Warpath Gallery

Tank mode, not so much:


Transformers Generations Warpath Gallery

From l. to r.: G1 1985, Generations Deluxe 2010, Universe Legends (current Legion Class) 2008

Legends Class-wise, for the Mini-Bot molds we're truly missing (as in, no retools of unrelated figures):

• Huffer & Pipes
• Warpath
• Hubcap

... wow, less than I thought.

Can I just have the big cannon to give to my Classics Cliffjumper?
If they give us Tap-Out from this, then maybe I'll pick it up.

Slashercon wrote:pretty happy about Cliff's size. But regarding the minibots, I really feel Warpath and Huffer need appropriate updates. (In Warpath's case, i wouldn't mind a more traditional deluxe size since I always saw him as the largest of the minibots. And It's been quite a a while since Gears was released, so maybe throw him a bone too.

Genrations Deluxe Warpath is already one of the best Transformers toys of all time and fulfills any need one would have for a bigger warpath. And you can always wait for an MP warpath down the line, which would also end up scaling as a deluxe warpath for a classics scaled collection.
If we are to get another warpath in generations, I would much rather not have another placeholder and be given one that is to scale, which is what the siege line is about anyways.

That's a great toy (the deluxe) but it isn't G1 aesthetic with the h-tank and slightly Bay-esque face. Like others, I'm still hoping for a more cartoon accurate one, as well as the other missing minibots.

Also still holding out for a flying saucer Bee and box ship Wheeljack from episode one. Not letting you off this easy, Hasbro.

That partsforming is a deal breaker for me. A smaller deluxe figure that partsforms for 20 bucks. Pass. I'll keep my classics Cliffjumper.

One of the best parts of this fandom is you could have a half-dozen people say "I only collect G1 CHUG" and they could each have a completely different set of figures that they're all happy with.

For my part, I'm virtually all-in on WfC for '84-85 and Prime Wars for '86-88, with some scattered Universe and T30. It's a good time for Generations.

AcademyofDrX — that's a great attitude. I'd love to see a pic of the shelves with WFC 84-85 and PW 86-88 for reference. (and grins) Cheers!

The only thing on my camera roll right now is Season 2 non-combiner Deceptions. I've since added Reflector (x3), the Combiners and sold the Classics Seekers to replace with Earthrise (and Siege, if necessary.)

Oh, and I have Siege Soundwave and the tapes. Guess I should retake the photo for '84 and again later this year for '85. And use the lightbox this time, that's why I got it.

Those are all some of my favorite molds from the recent past. Looks good!

gothsaurus wrote:Also still holding out for a flying saucer Bee and box ship Wheeljack from episode one. Not letting you off this easy, Hasbro.

Pretty sure Warden said at NYCC that we've missed the chance for Boxjack, or at least he insinuated we have, because he didn't win the Siege poll. Someone directly asked if Wheeljack would have been the box ship from the pilot if he was made in Siege, and Warden confirmed that to be true.

Yeah, my hopes are dimly lit, I understand. If they've already done the tooling — which the discussion infers they have — then we could still see it as an exclusive set for a convention, store, or select release.

If Hasbro drops the ball, I will fully expect a 3P to come to the rescue after the WFC trilogy ends.

Also, thanks for the moniker Boxjack. Got any for UFO bee?

I am not as upset abot the Partsforming as ai am disappointed, and at that I expecred him to say that it comes off so ot can clip to the end of a base ramp and become a gun placement. But its still a cool figure with an awesome accessory, and I am all for a not-Bee Cliffjumper. Even with the backpack coming off, I still like this at least as much as the GDO figure and cannot wait to get him.

Yeah, there's a part of me still hoping you can finagle the arms out and leave the back pegged in through the transformation without partsforming.

I'll just leave a space here below for trolls to say you can't.

Right here.

Just below this post.

And 3-2-1 GO!

You know who you are.

And, GO!

gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, there's a part of me still hoping you can finagle the arms out and leave the back pegged in through the transformation without partsforming.

It looks feasible to me, as it appears to only peg into the hands and slides or clips over the side panels.

Ha. Okay. Hopes are a little higher. I guess if it's NOT possible, maybe a 3p or Shapeways maker can devise a connector.

If you flipped Cliff around 180 and turn that backpack into a li’l overhead cab I could see Huffer. Turn the backpack into a camper shell and you could turn Cliff into Gears or Brawn. I could see remakes into all the smaller scale 84 Autobots because of that one part forming piece. I think they’re going places with that mold this round. Not just Bumblebee. Hopeful thinking

carytheone wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, there's a part of me still hoping you can finagle the arms out and leave the back pegged in through the transformation without partsforming.

It looks feasible to me, as it appears to only peg into the hands and slides or clips over the side panels.

I would love for it to be true that you can somehow leave the rear end of the vehicle attached as you convert to robot mode, but it doesn't seem possible. The hole where the back kibble plugs into the robot mode is located on the bottom of the car mode, just past half-way from the rear end to the front bumper. I suppose you could finagle the arms such that you pull one of the red tabs out of the fist, lift out the black tab to connect to the back hole, and then maneuver the other arm over to the hole and plug it in before taking the other red tab out of the other fist. That way, the pieces is always pegged into something, even if it's completely removeable from the rest of the figure. The drawback may be that, putting the back kibble in place before transforming the rest of the figure, particularly the legs and torso, might get in the way of that process. I'm going to have to watch the conversion several more times to get a good idea of what goes where when.

EDIT:

I took another look at the video, and I don't think it really works out not completely removing that back piece for transformation. The kibble would make it nearly impossible to transform the legs back and forth because of how everything folds up and flips around during the conversion.

As some have already mentioned regarding Warpath, the 2010 generations figure is great and would honestly be good in fitting in with my semi-classics collection. Only two minor inconveniences for me: 1) Wasn't fully into the idea of classics themed figures at the time and missed my chance to nab him. Ebay may still be an option though. 2) aesthetically speaking an updated Warpath done in this War For Cybertron style would still be nice. And even if he would be smaller like his fellow minibots, I'd prefer a more accurate representation than the legends one we got recently.


Back to Cliffjumper, I like him but probably wouldn't pay the full $19+ for him. Discounted for sure.

gothsaurus wrote:Also, thanks for the moniker Boxjack. Got any for UFO bee?

Saucerbee.

Sabrblade wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Also, thanks for the moniker Boxjack. Got any for UFO bee?

Saucerbee.

Fris-Bee

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Also, thanks for the moniker Boxjack. Got any for UFO bee?

Saucerbee.

Fris-Bee

I think we have a winner, folks!

It's a day late, and maybe a dollar short, but TonTon has got an Earthrise Cliffjumper review up now too. It's got a lot more (and better) size comparisons in both vehicle and robot mode to study. Still, why don't these reviewers have Titans Return Bumblebee, or ANY of the Legends Class Minibots from over the last 6 years, to use in these videos? That's what we all really want to see!

This would make a great runamuck or throttlebot

Seeing Tonton's video made me realise that Cliff is two-tone red, as it looks as though his his shoulders are black plastic painted red. Hopefully it's not too different in person to the red plastic for those that want him.

Some frustratingly troll level size comps for Cliffjumper.



CliffyJ appears to be close to a head taller than Bee/all the other minibots.

carytheone wrote:Some frustratingly troll level size comps for Cliffjumper.

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CliffyJ appears to be close to head taller than Bee/all the other minibots.

It gets better! If I'm not mistaken, those are two different MP Bees. You also need this:


Source: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nal/43094/