Transformers Studio Series 86 01 Jazz and 04 Hot Rod Official Revealed

Is it just me or does the engineering for Jazz look basically the same as the Datsuns? I think even the legs function the same, except the back windshield folds down from the roof to cover the black of the legs.

I appreciate the extra accessories I may put on the figure once, but trying to pass that off as a voyager? Come on!

cruizerdave wrote:I appreciate the extra accessories I may put on the figure once, but trying to pass that off as a voyager? Come on!

Hasbro learned from Takara's MP approach.

The only way I can see Jazz being done better is by closing off the hollow plastic. We really are in an age of the Masterpiece killer. I do find it funny that Hot Rod is sitting higher in the packaging than Jazz to make it look bigger. Not that I won't be getting all of these.

Yeah, Jazz is niiiiiice. Definitely into him, and since Shattered Glass is making a comeback, Reveal the Shield Jazz will serve a greater purpose (with some appropriate Shattered Glass Autobot labels of course).

Hot Rod for sure, though now I have the dilemma of having the old Classics Deluxe with the Fansproject armor I got earlier this year thinking they weren’t going to do a decent Hot Rod for a while...

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The only way I can see Jazz being done better is by closing off the hollow plastic. We really are in an age of the Masterpiece killer.

You must have never handled a masterpiece figure.

Even compared to Universe-era figures, today's WFC and Studio figures feel like cheap knockoffs. The plastic quality is not good, the joints are weak, panels/sections don't line up well and/or don't tab in properly, and paint is often sloppy.

The only reason this crap sells well is because most of us don't spend much time handling them or looking at them up close. On a shelf, from a few feet away, they look nice.

But nice-looking crap is still crap.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:I appreciate the extra accessories I may put on the figure once, but trying to pass that off as a voyager? Come on!

Hasbro learned from Takara's MP approach.

Seems like a good time to post a reminder that the "Class" designation is now more about price than anything else.

Anyhow, Jazz looks amazing, gives excellent Pretenders Jazz inner bot vibes.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I would very much like a separate thread for SS-86, whenever someone here says "Geewunner" I cry. It's been a hard year, cut me some slack.

Nah, even from the description of the figures it is the same line -though there has only ever been one transformers movie and some live action guff Which had some good guff, but guff none the less.

Reach past the big screen and build the ultimate TRANSFORMERS collection with Studio Series figures (each sold separately, subject to availability), inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the TRANSFORMERS movie universe.

hausjam wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The only way I can see Jazz being done better is by closing off the hollow plastic. We really are in an age of the Masterpiece killer.

You must have never handled a masterpiece figure.

Even compared to Universe-era figures, today's WFC and Studio figures feel like cheap knockoffs. The plastic quality is not good, the joints are weak, panels/sections don't line up well and/or don't tab in properly, and paint is often sloppy.

The only reason this crap sells well is because most of us don't spend much time handling them or looking at them up close. On a shelf, from a few feet away, they look nice.

But nice-looking crap is still crap.

I have transformed each of my WfC figures more times than all of my Masterpiece figures put together. The handling isn't the issue; if you want statues, by all means keep spending hundreds of dollars on a handful of MP figures, WfC and SS aren't going to best them on that front.

blackeyedprime wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I would very much like a separate thread for SS-86, whenever someone here says "Geewunner" I cry. It's been a hard year, cut me some slack.

Nah, even from the description of the figures it is the same line -though there has only ever been one transformers movie and some live action guff Which had some good guff, but guff none the less.

Reach past the big screen and build the ultimate TRANSFORMERS collection with Studio Series figures (each sold separately, subject to availability), inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the TRANSFORMERS movie universe.

I'm going to blame you personally for every tear that slides down my face, I hope you can live comfortably with that on your conscience.

Not a big Hot Rod guy, but Jazz looks absolutely fantabulistic. He and Grimlock are definite buys.

Apparently, one of the leakers confirmed that all but one Dinobot will be made, the exception being Slash (not sure why that distinction had to be made, since she wasn't in the movie). Also, Blaster, Perceptor, and Devastator aren't happening.

I guess that answers my question about the numbering system. The 86 designation won't be included in the regular SS line, meaning we will get a SS 86 figure of a Bayverse character down the line, if it goes that far.

As for these reveals, I'm not jumping for joy in either case. They're nice, but I'll wait until I see them in-hand. I was almost sold on Hot Rod, but the fact that it's a deluxe figure with extra crap sold at voyager price is a turnoff. I didn't fall for it in WFC, I won't do it here. Besides, he looks like he has way too many panels. Jazz looks nice, but kinda simple. I'll see about getting him when I see him in stores. I actually really like the PoTP figure, even if it's not perfectly accurate.

ScottyP wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:I appreciate the extra accessories I may put on the figure once, but trying to pass that off as a voyager? Come on!

Hasbro learned from Takara's MP approach.

Seems like a good time to post a reminder that the "Class" designation is now more about price than anything else.

Anyhow, Jazz looks amazing, gives excellent Pretenders Jazz inner bot vibes.

It's basically no different than Hasbro throwing something like this into a mainline without having to make it an exclusive.



As for Jazz, that will be a pass. I think he looks great, but I am perfectly happy with my POTP toy. I am wondering why they changed the 4 to a 14. It's not toy nor show accurate. Knowing how subtle the artist handling the previous release was in sharing some conservative viewpoints, could this be a nod to the 14 words?

blackeyedprime wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I would very much like a separate thread for SS-86, whenever someone here says "Geewunner" I cry. It's been a hard year, cut me some slack.

Nah, even from the description of the figures it is the same line -though there has only ever been one transformers movie and some live action guff Which had some good guff, but guff none the less.

Reach past the big screen and build the ultimate TRANSFORMERS collection with Studio Series figures (each sold separately, subject to availability), inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the TRANSFORMERS movie universe.

It uses a different numbering system though, I would much rather have a separate discussion for SS-86.

LinaNui wrote:Also with them being 86-XX, this might mean they are a subline to SS like how Netflix is to WFC. Fingers crossed so that it can get it's own thread to stop clogging up this one.

Amen to this.

hausjam wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The only way I can see Jazz being done better is by closing off the hollow plastic. We really are in an age of the Masterpiece killer.

You must have never handled a masterpiece figure.

Even compared to Universe-era figures, today's WFC and Studio figures feel like cheap knockoffs. The plastic quality is not good, the joints are weak, panels/sections don't line up well and/or don't tab in properly, and paint is often sloppy.

The only reason this crap sells well is because most of us don't spend much time handling them or looking at them up close. On a shelf, from a few feet away, they look nice.

But nice-looking crap is still crap.

As someone who has handled a lot, the mainline has killed the MP line, and appropriately so. The toys today still feel really good, and I would say many feel as good if not better than the old Universe/Classics toys. They look good up close and as a group.

And they are a small fraction of the price of the MPs but are almost as good. At least ER Prime actually uses his alt mode windshields while the new $450 MP didn't.

Simple fact is, the generations of today are 90% the quality of MPs on average and on average are probably 20% of the price.

Autobot N wrote:Not a big Hot Rod guy, but Jazz looks absolutely fantabulistic. He and Grimlock are definite buys.

Apparently, one of the leakers confirmed that all but one Dinobot will be made, the exception being Slash (not sure why that distinction had to be made, since she wasn't in the movie). Also, Blaster, Perceptor, and Devastator aren't happening.

I'm genuinely furious that we are getting all 5 of the G1 dinobots in this line before we even get a 2nd out of 4 movie Dinobots. That is ridiculous.

I REALLY doubt Hasbro would let that slide after the last fiasco... More than likely, it's just 14 because they didn't want to change it more than they had to for liscensing. I expect after it's brought to their attention, they'll change it to 24 or 44, or something along those lines

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm going to blame you personally for every tear that slides down my face, I hope you can live comfortably with that on your conscience.

I'm like that with poeple who say legos but at least the generation police can be blocked here. Enjoy what ya like for what ya like.

Hopefully fanfirst can throw out a few bones like Dino. I'd be down for another Universal Studios Evac then I can pretend the twins never existed (until they redo the icecream van version and I will melt like a whippy).

Dang, that Jazz does look pretty good, even if I do like the United version I have.

Maybe I'll get Jazz after all. I do have United Stepper, so it can be something to distinguish the two molds.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Not a big Hot Rod guy, but Jazz looks absolutely fantabulistic. He and Grimlock are definite buys.

Apparently, one of the leakers confirmed that all but one Dinobot will be made, the exception being Slash (not sure why that distinction had to be made, since she wasn't in the movie). Also, Blaster, Perceptor, and Devastator aren't happening.

I'm genuinely furious that we are getting all 5 of the G1 dinobots in this line before we even get a 2nd out of 4 movie Dinobots. That is ridiculous.

It is pretty weird, since they're the same characters (aside from Scorn), so it's not like it's an issue of big name vs small name characters. I do think SS86 will be good for SS overall, since it seems like the whole point (aside from celebrating the anniversary) is to fill some spaces with big name characters while Hasbro waits for the 2022 movie.

Okay I split the thread from the main SS discussion, hopefully it makes things clearer. However, the link from the news post still takes a user to the original SS thread. A news mod could fix this?

Studio series alts i've had problems not tabbing together are WW Bee and Jazz. Quite a few of the original toys have been better than the SS versions I have in my collection (Ratchet, Mixmaster, Barricade, Sideswipe -even tho SS version is really good) but I've only been picking up a little amount of SS stuff and only when it is on sale.

Passed on Blackout and others due to third party oversized ones looking more the part to me but never getting around to buying them. I've never flipped out Copter Dropkicks guns because it requires some kind of appendage I dont have to be able to do it. Sommehwere out there one of the Hasbro designers is Brundlefly... (explains some of the melted look to siege figures too)

Im loving the official images of Jazz, potp and rts jazz just weren't it for me and this one looks good. Although I'm wondering if the majority of his alt mode becomes a backpack (not that id care)

I'll have to get rid of my potp rodimus prime for hot rod, but I still want to wait and see how the commander class kingdom version comes out

I was hoping they would fix the hinge color on Hot Rod's back. I'm planning on purchasing it still, but the aesthetic would have been better.
Jazz looks pretty sweet too. I am really looking forward to the 84 Studio figures.

blackeyedprime wrote:I've never flipped out Copter Dropkicks guns because it requires some kind of appendage I dont have to be able to do it.

I know exactly what you mean, I've flipped them out once and never put them back for the same reason. Bent my damn fingernail backwards when I did.

I am soooooooo torn on that Jazz. he looks great, even with the hollow thighs. I also think his car mode is mis-transformed, since it looks like the feet swing in the other way and aren't supposed to just hang off the back like that. Overall though he is an amazing Jazz, very toon accurate. At the same time though, I have the RtS Jazz, which was already a nearly perfect Jazz toy. will have to wait for the inevitable early reviews to get a better look and make a final decision...


...which I will inevitably throw out when I see the thing in store and give in to bad impulses.

transformers-ss-86-discussion-t115370.php

Studio series 86 discussion is now in here everyone! The news article needs linking to it.

Wait... All the Dinobots (save one) are getting new toys? If so, I hope whichever doesn't get a release here, gets one in the mainline. Much as I'm against the yellow for Grimlock (wish it was gold), I'd love a good Sludge and Snarl at a big size, and even a huge Swoop would be fun

Hot Rod looks really good, a bit panel-ley in car mode. But yes definite buy. Will pre-order when he shows up.

Jazz has a great alt-mode and really good Robot mode. Wonder how they got around the Porsche licensing. Its super close.



Also, for those wondering about the SS numbering, it seems 86 is not the SS-86 entry number but just a sub line naming convention, and they get their own numbering scheme starting with Jazz SS86-01, and Hot Rod is SS86-04.

Can't wait to see Grimlock and Blurr more clearly.

hausjam wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The only way I can see Jazz being done better is by closing off the hollow plastic. We really are in an age of the Masterpiece killer.

You must have never handled a masterpiece figure.

Even compared to Universe-era figures, today's WFC and Studio figures feel like cheap knockoffs. The plastic quality is not good, the joints are weak, panels/sections don't line up well and/or don't tab in properly, and paint is often sloppy.

The only reason this crap sells well is because most of us don't spend much time handling them or looking at them up close. On a shelf, from a few feet away, they look nice.

But nice-looking crap is still crap.

I've handled most MP figures and all the issues you brought up with the mainline figures can be applied to masterpiece figures as well. For many people, a figure like SS Hot Rod may very well be good enough, and as someone who has handled all the Hot Rods in the masterpiece line I can tell you, the SS version looks way, way better.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Wait... All the Dinobots (save one) are getting new toys? If so, I hope whichever doesn't get a release here, gets one in the mainline. Much as I'm against the yellow for Grimlock (wish it was gold), I'd love a good Sludge and Snarl at a big size, and even a huge Swoop would be fun

Well good news if the leaks are correct. The one that was not being made was Slash, who didn't exist until PotP.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I REALLY doubt Hasbro would let that slide after the last fiasco... More than likely, it's just 14 because they didn't want to change it more than they had to for liscensing. I expect after it's brought to their attention, they'll change it to 24 or 44, or something along those lines

What licensing are you talking about? Volkswagen owns Porsche or vice versa so the cars are covered.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Wait... All the Dinobots (save one) are getting new toys? If so, I hope whichever doesn't get a release here, gets one in the mainline. Much as I'm against the yellow for Grimlock (wish it was gold), I'd love a good Sludge and Snarl at a big size, and even a huge Swoop would be fun

the rumors saying Slash, as that one is officially a new G1 dinobot, even though Slash should never have been a factor in this. Personally I don't put a lot of stock in this rumor, even if the source is super credible. (which they have been so far) If there was one dino to get cut from the line up, it would probably be Snarl, as snarly-boy was only in one scene then never seen again.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As someone who has handled a lot, the mainline has killed the MP line, and appropriately so. The toys today still feel really good, and I would say many feel as good if not better than the old Universe/Classics toys. They look good up close and as a group.

And they are a small fraction of the price of the MPs but are almost as good. At least ER Prime actually uses his alt mode windshields while the new $450 MP didn't.

Simple fact is, the generations of today are 90% the quality of MPs on average and on average are probably 20% of the price.



I'm genuinely furious that we are getting all 5 of the G1 dinobots in this line before we even get a 2nd out of 4 movie Dinobots. That is ridiculous.

I have to agree on both fronts here. Every since the shift to "toon accuracy" in the MP line, things have gotten kind of bad with them. (beastwars mostly withstanding). Sure, they make great display pieces (from the front mostly) but just aren't fun toys, when they used to be. MP10 prime, mp grimlock, first version Bee all fun to play with and transform. And before somebody says something about them being "high end collectables and not meant to be fun toys etc" I know that. Which is my next gripe. If I am going to have to blow $300 on a display figure, then its loaded with fake parts and massive back kibble, I feel robbed. I can easily forgive that in a $20 toy, not in a multi-hundred dollar high end piece.

and I know they were ultimately wasted in the bayverse movies, but hot damn if the movie dinobots weren't some of the best movie monsters put to film. While I do want better g1 dinobots then the combiner we got, I second, third, and fourth the motion to ger the rest of the bayverse dinobots asap.

Immortal Starscream wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Wait... All the Dinobots (save one) are getting new toys? If so, I hope whichever doesn't get a release here, gets one in the mainline. Much as I'm against the yellow for Grimlock (wish it was gold), I'd love a good Sludge and Snarl at a big size, and even a huge Swoop would be fun

the rumors saying Slash, as that one is officially a new G1 dinobot, even though Slash should never have been a factor in this. Personally I don't put a lot of stock in this rumor, even if the source is super credible. (which they have been so far) If there was one dino to get cut from the line up, it would probably be Snarl, as snarly-boy was only in one scene then never seen again.

I actually do believe the rumor. Can you believe the shitstorm Hasbro would create for themselves by finally giving collectors the uniform larger size G1 dinobots that people have been begging for for decades, but only for 4 out of the 5?

Can't wait to get grimlock

Even if we don't get SS86 Snarl, I can't imagine they would leave money on the table and not release a Leader Class Snarl in some other line. The PotP version shared a lot of engineering with Sludge, so I'd hope they could find the cost savings to make it work. SS86 itself is proof Hasbro is willing to cross product lines to complete a set, with Cyclonus, Arcee, and the rumored Ultra Magnus coming via Kingdom.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I'm genuinely furious that we are getting all 5 of the G1 dinobots in this line before we even get a 2nd out of 4 movie Dinobots. That is ridiculous.

At least we have voyager scorn from TLK, which is pretty awesome, and the TLK line is basically studio series so that's what I have been using to have 2 dinos.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I REALLY doubt Hasbro would let that slide after the last fiasco... More than likely, it's just 14 because they didn't want to change it more than they had to for liscensing. I expect after it's brought to their attention, they'll change it to 24 or 44, or something along those lines

I was kidding of course, though I don't get what the number has to do with licensing

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Wait... All the Dinobots (save one) are getting new toys?

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, even the leakers arent fully sure what is going on. So far all we know is we are getting grimlock.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What licensing are you talking about? Volkswagen owns Porsche or vice versa so the cars are covered.

Doesn't matter, they are still their own individual companies and licensing is not centralized. Different brands have different identities and thus each license has to be acquired at the individual company AND at the individual country where the toy is sold. Hence why licensed Honda toys can differ from the US and Japan, for instance.

Jazz looks... ok. His robot mode is solid. Not overly impressive, but solid. His alt mode really isn't doing it for me. It's close to being accurate, but the more rounded profile of the hood makes it look a bit... off. The deco overall is pretty lackluster, especially in alt mode. I know they need to avoid looking too close to the real car, but couldn't they have added the stripes on the sides? The RTS figure had those. Or even some made up sponsors like ER Wheeljack? It would have done a lot for the alt mode, but as it is it's pretty bland. This looks like a fine figure, don't get me wrong, but for my money RTS Jazz still retains the throne.

Also, it seems the leakers were incorrect about this Jazz being able to have door wings, because the doors are attached to the roof piece by a hinge. RIP that feature, I guess.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What licensing are you talking about? Volkswagen owns Porsche or vice versa so the cars are covered.

Doesn't matter, they are still their own individual companies and licensing is not centralized. Different brands have different identities and thus each license has to be acquired at the individual company AND at the individual country where the toy is sold. Hence why licensed Honda toys can differ from the US and Japan, for instance.

Besides which, the race car number has nothing to do with Porsche anyway. The licensing issue with the race car number, if any, would be with Martini Racing.
Given the greater resemblance to the Porsche 935 Turbo (instead of having to camouflage with Solstice headlights), Porsche themselves may not have had a problem at all.

2 things are extremely annoying about Hot Rod. One is the deco - he's still not @#$%ing magenta like he is on-screen. Which is frankly unacceptable. If they're leaning into screen colors so hard that they make Grimlock's gold parts crayola yellow, they should make Hot Rod magenta.
The other, which I didn't notice before because I only glanced at the in-hand pics, is the needless use of faux-parts with his hood chest. Both Animated and Titans Return/Legends prove that that's not remotely necessary, so the fact that they resorted to it here is reeeeally stupid. I'm tempted to say stick to TR/Legends unless you really want SS86 Hot Rod's accessories that badly, and I'm honestly half-hoping a factory accident destroys the molds and forces them to try again. Seeing that crap has downgraded him from "Get because I like Hot Rod" to possibly passing him up outright.

...Also, the fact that he comes with the Matrix makes me worry that we won't be getting an actual Rodimus Prime at all.

Jazz is a hard pass because of the door crap, the BLATANLY STUCK OUT FEET, and the fact that I already own RTS Jazz.

Hasbro Pulse unboxed just put out this really cool article on the development of SS Devastator. At one point, Scavenger was planned to be commander class while Overload was a voyager, which I thought was interesting. If SS has been considered for commander class before, maybe that's something we could see in the future?

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/b ... devastator

From Daimchoc (assuming the images work)


Scourge


Hot Rod


Kup

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Burn wrote:From Daimchoc (assuming the images work)


Scourge

I swear the way the end of his gun, the line on his foot, and the grout line of the tile counter he is on are all in alignment, I thought he had some weird squirt-gun effect.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I swear the way the end of his gun, the line on his foot, and the grout line of the tile counter he is on are all in alignment, I thought he had some weird squirt-gun effect.

Well shit, now I can't un-see it.

Kup really does need a new head, otherwise I do like the look of him.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What licensing are you talking about? Volkswagen owns Porsche or vice versa so the cars are covered.

Doesn't matter, they are still their own individual companies and licensing is not centralized. Different brands have different identities and thus each license has to be acquired at the individual company AND at the individual country where the toy is sold. Hence why licensed Honda toys can differ from the US and Japan, for instance.

Besides which, the race car number has nothing to do with Porsche anyway. The licensing issue with the race car number, if any, would be with Martini Racing.
Given the greater resemblance to the Porsche 935 Turbo (instead of having to camouflage with Solstice headlights), Porsche themselves may not have had a problem at all.

This is what I was referring to. They might have had to liscense the likeness to the original race car, in addition to the cost of the Porsche likeness if they went with the 4 on the doors (and if they made it look more like a Porsche) and decided that the cost for both would have been too much to be worth it. Same thing with Smokescreen and Wheeljack (and probably the DOTM Wreckers, which might be why they're in "attack" mode)

The SS wreckers are fully licensed Chevy Impalas with full licensed Nascar Race numbers and sponsor logos so no.

So far the reveals have turned me around on Kup and Jazz. Maybe I will get Jazz after all so he and Stepper can be different.

After Kingdom and Studio I may, finally, be done with TFTM. They've lapped these characters more than once now. It seems like they've finally got them all right. Right size, right sculpt. As much as I love that movie it may finally be time for me to be done with it once these lines are done.

Man, Jazz looks...kinda bad. Seriously needs some more colour breakup and the hollow bits suck. That is a shame, he looked alright from the initial leak.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Hasbro Pulse unboxed just put out this really cool article on the development of SS Devastator. At one point, Scavenger was planned to be commander class while Overload was a voyager, which I thought was interesting. If SS has been considered for commander class before, maybe that's something we could see in the future?

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/b ... devastator

My wallet is very happy they went with the latter idea. I wonder if they would have made a Demolishor repaint had they gone with the Commander class option. If they are considering Commander class for Studio Series, I hope this means we'll get a Driller figure.

Overcracker wrote:The SS wreckers are fully licensed Chevy Impalas with full licensed Nascar Race numbers and sponsor logos so no.

Huh. Then I have no idea why they would change the G1 racing lads then. Also to be fair, I only glanced at the DOTM Wreckers and thought they were missing a lot of details

Racing sponsors aren't all one big collective, just saying.

Black Hat wrote:Man, Jazz looks...kinda bad. Seriously needs some more colour breakup and the hollow bits suck. That is a shame, he looked alright from the initial leak.

Eh, his hollows are par for the course for a Generations figure (especially a Deluxe with foldaway hands). I think the fact that his feet stick out in car mode is far more egregious.

Scourge and Kup are both looking good, and I'm pleased to see Kup doesn't have the faux-parts bullcrap that Hot Rod does.

Decepticon Stryker wrote:My wallet is very happy they went with the latter idea. I wonder if they would have made a Demolishor repaint had they gone with the Commander class option. If they are considering Commander class for Studio Series, I hope this means we'll get a Driller figure.

I love the idea of having a huge Scavenger/Demolishor, but I can see why they went with a leader Overload for combined mode stability.

Speaking of which, I did get that Scavenger I bought forever ago from Gamestop, but I won't get to actually see it for another month or so. I'm excited for it, I think the robot mode scale will work really nicely with old legends class/Cyberverse.