Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

hot shot, or prowl anyone? dont say ironhide cause he is not in the show at all it was announced at bot con 2012 so no ironhide.

If this is just Wheeljack officially joining the team, then people will die. On a lighter note, glad to see Screamer back

if it was hot shot, he wouold have unique mold in the toys, my thinking. as a bumblebee repaint, I don't think his animation model would be distinct enough- sergeant Kup, maybe?

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:hot shot, or prowl anyone? dont say ironhide cause he is not in the show at all it was announced at bot con 2012 so no ironhide.

I'm going to say Ironhide. Don't you tell me what I can or cannot say.

Besides, how do you know they aren't trying to mislead you?

well, here's a thouoght, too- Ultra Magnus is coming out in Voyager size, and has had a Cyberverse commander version; Could be him, possibly

Didn;t they just show us a Deluxe-Class Kup at Comic-Con??? Ans, since they're recruiting, could this mean that Bulkhead does actually die? And what about Rumble??? "New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

I really hope it is ultra magnus but at the same time we haven't seen a sideswipe but i want to so bad. It will probably be either wheeljack or ultra magnus which is very cool.

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Didn;t they just show us a Deluxe-Class Kup at Comic-Con??? Ans, since they're recruiting, could this mean that Bulkhead does actually die? And what about Rumble??? "New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

the Synopsis of "hurt" says "near fatal" for Bulkhead...plus, you don't see someone wounded in the cliffjumper...er...CliffHANGER only to have them dead in the follow-up- that's against like a law of TV- if anyone can come up with a case to refute it, I'd like to know about it

Ultra Magnus would be good but didn't i read somewhere that Hound was making an appearance?

iguanabytes wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Didn;t they just show us a Deluxe-Class Kup at Comic-Con??? Ans, since they're recruiting, could this mean that Bulkhead does actually die? And what about Rumble??? "New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

the Synopsis of "hurt" says "near fatal" for Bulkhead...plus, you don't see someone wounded in the cliffjumper...er...CliffHANGER only to have them dead in the follow-up- that's against like a law of TV- if anyone can come up with a case to refute it, I'd like to know about it

Well in season 7 of Supernatural the mid season finale ends with Bobby getting shot in the head. The next episode after the break cut back and forth between Sam and Dean with him at the hospital and events taking place inside Bobby's mind and ended with Bobby dying. Granted he came back later in the season as a ghost, but ended with Sam and Dean having to destroy him by the end.
I really like Bulkhead, but if he dies it will shatter the security bubble that the Autobots have and really make a more emotional weight and impact than Cliffjumper's death did, since his character never got to really be developed and you didn't have time to get attached to him.

Red Energon? Cool!

Well, now I have hopes that Bulkhead wont be Arcee's "friend" in Out of the Past.

I want either:

*Ironhide
*Prowl
*Hot Shot
*Ultra Magnus
*Jazz
*or a new flying Autobot. Jetfire? Air Raid? We just need someone who can fly.

And the new Autobot will most likely be portrayed by Nolan North. I'd love it if he came back to do Jazz like he did in the ROTF game.

Or a possible outcome is that Wheeljack joins Team Prime. It doesn't have to be an all new Autobot.

And why is the title "Season 2 Episode 17" when Episode 17 is Out of the Past? This should be Episode 18.

Why cant a Decepticon join the Autobot cause?
Ide love it if Knockout or Dreadwing joined
Yeah, but Im sure its just wheeljack.

KnightStrike wrote:

iguanabytes wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Didn;t they just show us a Deluxe-Class Kup at Comic-Con??? Ans, since they're recruiting, could this mean that Bulkhead does actually die? And what about Rumble??? "New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

the Synopsis of "hurt" says "near fatal" for Bulkhead...plus, you don't see someone wounded in the cliffjumper...er...CliffHANGER only to have them dead in the follow-up- that's against like a law of TV- if anyone can come up with a case to refute it, I'd like to know about it

Well in season 7 of Supernatural the mid season finale ends with Bobby getting shot in the head. The next episode after the break cut back and forth between Sam and Dean with him at the hospital and events taking place inside Bobby's mind and ended with Bobby dying. Granted he came back later in the season as a ghost, but ended with Sam and Dean having to destroy him by the end.
I really like Bulkhead, but if he dies it will shatter the security bubble that the Autobots have and really make a more emotional weight and impact than Cliffjumper's death did, since his character never got to really be developed and you didn't have time to get attached to him.

OK, good point

I'd love it if Jazz joins the cast. Oh! Or maybe Dreadwing joins the Autobots.

I'd like Jazz too- more than prowl I think

here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Dreadwing is far more interesting as an honorable bad guy than he would be as a good guy. and then there's the name.

it's like having a paramedic show up whose nametag reads "fleshripper babymaimer"- are you really gonna let him help you?

leviebaby wrote:here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Would not mind HotRod or Tracks, but I don't think HotRod, because of his Rodimus prime connection

My bet's on Hot Shot.

iguanabytes wrote:

leviebaby wrote:here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Would not mind HotRod or Tracks, but I don't think HotRod, because of his Rodimus prime connection

That being said, I would LOVE a transformers prime HotRod- I would buy the hell out of that toy

iguanabytes wrote:

iguanabytes wrote:

leviebaby wrote:here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Would not mind HotRod or Tracks, but I don't think HotRod, because of his Rodimus prime connection

That being said, I would LOVE a transformers prime HotRod- I would buy the hell out of that toy

We already have a Hot Rod. His name is Hot Shot, and he's a Bumblebee repaint.

There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity. It is Hot Shot that becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Besides, they no longer have the rights to the name "Hot Rod," nor would it work because Hot Shot is Rodimus on Cybertron anyway.

The toy further confuses things.

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:"New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

Well, the description says new Autobot. We haven't seen hide or hair of a turncoat since ROTF (correct me if I'm wrong), so this would most likely be wrong.

Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

Mindmaster wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

In the upcoming episode "Out of the Past," Arcee & Her Friend uncover a feat of Decepticon engineering intending to destroy the Autobots. Red Energon could be just that.

Hardly anything that could mean hope for the Autobots.

PrimeStriker wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

In the upcoming episode "Out of the Past," Arcee & Her Friend uncover a feat of Decepticon engineering intending to destroy the Autobots. Red Energon could be just that.

Hardly anything that could mean hope for the Autobots.

Right, I've forgotten about that episode. I think I'll stick to my theory of the second Super Energon until then.

My money is on Prowl.
Jazz would also be awesome, but they have so far built up the ranks by adding bots and cons that bring something new to the personality quotient.
For the Cons.
Airachnid brought the creepy crazy.
Dreadwing, loyalty and honor.
Both were aspects that were missing or in very short supply in the Decepticon dynamic.

For the Autobots Wheeljack brought the loner who didn't automatically worship Prime, a major change.
Now there are several "new" personality traits that could be brought in but one of the more obvious ones is a bot who's devoted to protocol and logic. Optimus has his principles that he sticks to and Ratchet is a bit stiff socially but the hallmark of team prime is their ability to improvise and adapt to the situation at hand.
Enter Mr. Rules and Regs himself, Prowl. Stiff and law abiding. The confrontations with Miko alone would bring a new dynamic to the show. He would probably set off all the characters in one way or another bringing more depth and body to the cast as a whole.

Foxbear wrote:My money is on Prowl.
Jazz would also be awesome, but they have so far built up the ranks by adding bots and cons that bring something new to the personality quotient.
For the Cons.
Airachnid brought the creepy crazy.
Dreadwing, loyalty and honor.
Both were aspects that were missing or in very short supply in the Decepticon dynamic.

For the Autobots Wheeljack brought the loner who didn't automatically worship Prime, a major change.
Now there are several "new" personality traits that could be brought in but one of the more obvious ones is a bot who's devoted to protocol and logic. Optimus has his principles that he sticks to and Ratchet is a bit stiff socially but the hallmark of team prime is their ability to improvise and adapt to the situation at hand.
Enter Mr. Rules and Regs himself, Prowl. Stiff and law abiding. The confrontations with Miko alone would bring a new dynamic to the show. He would probably set off all the characters in one way or another bringing more depth and body to the cast as a whole.

I can see a Prime Prowl in the works. They can probably pull it off using the model of Prowl Jagex is using for Transformers: Universe.

My guess is that it is going to be Jetfire.

Because he has yet to obtain a figure in the Prime lineup (such as Hot Shot, Sergeant Kup, Ultra Magnus, and Ironhide did), he has ties to Starscream, is a scientist (which would benefit Ratchet), and could help introduce the Aerialbots into this continuity.

That, and it would be a bit of a cliche for them to add yet another Autobot that transforms into a ground vehicle... Especially with the Decepticons having a combination of ground-based and air-based characters.

PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.

I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team!

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:My guess is that it is going to be Jetfire.

Because he has yet to obtain a figure in the Prime lineup (such as Hot Shot, Sergeant Kup, Ultra Magnus, and Ironhide did), he has ties to Starscream, is a scientist (which would benefit Ratchet), and could help introduce the Aerialbots into this continuity.

That, and it would be a bit of a cliche for them to add yet another Autobot that transforms into a ground vehicle... Especially with the Decepticons having a combination of ground-based and air-based characters.

PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.

I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team!

I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

And the Aligned Continuity covers ALL of the games, novels, and shows involved. There is only one Aligned Continuity, that covers Exouds, WFC, FOC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots in chronological order. Prime isn't an Aligned Continuity, it is an apparatus of the Aligned Continuity.

well, if we are going for align continuity, and including those works...


How about Silverbolt? he's a flyer, and is prominently featured

REALLY enjoying the lively discussion, BTW

well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

Hate to burst your bubble there, but according to Hasbro, that version of Brawn is supposed to be G1. In the words of Animated Slipstream, "Don't ask."

I don't get the reference of Airachnid's misspelling.

Mindmaster wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

Hate to burst your bubble there, but according to Hasbro, that version of Brawn is supposed to be G1. In the words of Animated Slipstream, "Don't ask."

I don't get the reference of Airachnid's misspelling.

i know he is g1 but who knows i am just making calculations (puts on shockwave costume and cuts out one eye)

i hate her thats why i misspelled her name she does not deserve it after what she did to tailgate.

iguanabytes wrote:Dreadwing is far more interesting as an honorable bad guy than he would be as a good guy. and then there's the name.

it's like having a paramedic show up whose nametag reads "fleshripper babymaimer"- are you really gonna let him help you?

Like letting someone named Inferno help deal with putting out fires?

If they're with the good guys, yeah.

iguanabytes wrote:well, if we are going for align continuity, and including those works...


How about Silverbolt? he's a flyer, and is prominently featured

REALLY enjoying the lively discussion, BTW

Yes, there are many Aerialbots (Jetfire, Air Raid, and Silverbolt seem to be the only named ones though. Unless the Air Raid Shockwave repaint at SDCC was a failed name on the card, Fireflight would be a named one as well). I was just giving a couple examples for Autobot flyers.

It would really seal the deal if all 3 of them appeared.

PrimeStriker wrote:I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

And besides, I think if they made it be Jetfire, it would end up being a smart move on their behalf simply because he has so many attributes that could add more to the Autobot side (and maybe give me a second character to like as well).

PrimeStriker wrote:And the Aligned Continuity covers ALL of the games, novels, and shows involved. There is only one Aligned Continuity, that covers Exouds, WFC, FOC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots in chronological order. Prime isn't an Aligned Continuity, it is an apparatus of the Aligned Continuity.

Okay... Prime? Let me stop you right there. You are telling this to a guy who has been a fan of the franchise since the 1980s. So while I pretty much have the entire Takara Tomy G1 continuity and its offspring memorized, it helps me understand how this works. So all I will say is that you misused a word to describe PRIME, as the definition of that word describes the "Arms Microns" line in Japan.

Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Not gonna read through the whole thread, but Red Energon could be like a Primeverse version of the Hate Plague.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

PrimeStriker wrote:I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Okay... Prime? Let me stop you right there. You are telling this to a guy who has been a fan of the franchise since the 1980s. So while I pretty much have the entire Takara Tomy G1 continuity and its offspring memorized, it helps me understand how this works. So all I will say is that you misused a word to describe PRIME, as the definition of that word describes the "Arms Microns" line in Japan.

Prime is a part of the Aligned Continuity family. Yep, I used the wrong word, but my point still remains: The Aligned Continuity is it's own continuity family, as Generation One, Animated, The Unicron Trilogy, the Live Action Series, etc. all have their own continuities. You cannot say that Exodus, WFC, FOC and Exiles occurred, then four billion years later they woke up in the Ark and met a couple of humans named Spike & Sparkplug Witwicky. They aren't part of the same continuity family.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Okay, well, as far as Hasbro's concerned, Hot Shot couldn't be in the Prime cartoon. I do not care if he's in the toyline, because the toyline and cartoon can and guaranteed will have a different prospective from one another.

And also, I, like many others, follow Hasbro's Aligned Continuity Family, which seems to be the largest. We could not have a Hot Rod character in the U.S or in Prime. Rodimus Prime is the succession of Hot Rod. I also know about the G1 continuity, and please don't try to think that you have some superiority because you've been a fan since the 1980s. It puts a lot of fans who haven't down.

Okay, looks like I DO have to read through this thread, as I seems I've missed out on an interesting conversation.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.

My bets are:

- Ironhide
- Prowl
- Jazz
- Ultra Magnus
- Jetfire (incoming dogfight with Starscream FTW)
- Elita-1

Or maybe it will be an original/obscure Autobot.

I have a feeling the "old friend of Arcee" mentioned in the hint for the upcoming episode " Put of the Past" is the new Autobot we're speculating (and continuity-arguing about).

red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have

PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

Okay... Snipping the rest for space.

A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own.

B) Not true. Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.

As for the rest...

A) Hot Shot's profile: "Hot Shot is an Autobot serving under Optimus Prime in the Great War. Young and impetuous, he's always waiting with enthusiasm and confidence for his next mission (so long as he isn't paired with Kup again). Perhaps he's got something to prove, but any leadership qualities he might possess have yet to show themselves. He also shares a special relationship with the Autobot sharpshooter, Arcee."

B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.

C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.

So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"!

Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.

Sabrblade wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.

Giving boss information as usual, Sabrblade. You said it better than I.

Ultra Markus wrote:red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have

It would be so nice, so wonderful, so boss, so much homage, if they made Red Energon the Hate Plague of the Aligned Continuity family.

I like how they're being shady on the fate of Bulkhead with all of this. I really hope he dies, just to get the emotion of a main Autobot dying.........that's not Optimus Prime.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference.

Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.

What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.

Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.

i see perceptor another brains in the group him and raf get along please let this be raf episode

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

Okay... Snipping the rest for space.

A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own.

B) Not true. Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.

A) Yes, they did. Which is why they were able to produce a toy of Hot Rod AND Rodimus Prime.




B) Yes, true. Nobody in the series so far has been named Hot Rod. And if you were so kind enough as to research your sources you would know that Hasbro said themselves, and I quote:

Aaron Archer wrote:According to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the character was named "Hot Shot" due to "Hot Rod" being an unprotectable name. Hasbro later revealed that they didn't name him Rodimus because they wanted fans to see how he became Rodimus.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.

Wow, are you seriously....ugh. Hasbro can and does make characters specifically for a toyline, not to appear in a show or movie. Not every character that is a goddamn toy is going to appear in the show. The argument that he has a character model is invalid, as it's only a repaint (with a different head) of the Bumblebee action pose we've all seen.




We've gotten people such as Wreckage (in the Movie toyline), Armorhide (in the Cybertron toyline), and many other characters part of the main toyline that never got references nor screen-time in the show or movie their toylines hailed from.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.

I'm not trying to talk down to you, but you're making statements that weren't carefully researched, and they're coming out to be wrong.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"!

It's hard to rant on the facts when your facts aren't aligned, no pun intended. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I'm simply defending a continuity that I find very, very interesting. And the factions we favor shouldn't affect our Transformers Fan Brotherhood.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.

Hot Shot could appear in Prime, but my point is that there would be a major continuity hole if he did unless he was Rodimus (not saying this continuity doesn't have holes within itself already). And by the way they're tagging us along with a secret Autobot these days, the "friend" and "new recruit" we're hearing about has a 52% chance of turning out to be Wheeljack.

Sabrblade wrote: PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

Sabrblade, he can speak for himself. And after reading what you just said, you dismissed that fact as well as a whole lot of different facts. Such as:

1)

Sabrblade wrote:Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

Being a PRIME fan, I found out that the version in Japan is totally different than here. As in the fact that if this was Japanese first, they would have placed Hot Shot in the team while trying to make him a "friendly marketable character for those who both buy the toys and play with them"... Versus here, where they took portions of how G1 was structured, and made it better.

Oh, and their direction with the Autobot team is why I am saying that Skyfire is the better choice. Just adding that.

2)

Sabrblade wrote:On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

Here you ignorantly condescend me instead of talking to me as a fan who said that he has been following said franchise since the 1980s. If you bothered knowing me, you would know that all he needed to do is just make the clarification with the reason that a lot of G1 fans still call Rodimus "Hot Rod" for their own reasons... Hence the misunderstanding that would have me thank him for clearing that up, and other friendly stuff.

3)

Sabrblade wrote:On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

You would have known that I have played the game, and watched the entire series. However, you would also have known that there are continuity errors when you try to put the three together. Hence why I dismissed it as being "one big continuity"... And not the fact that it is excellent material for their own continuities.

(FYI, I also said that Hasbro would be smart to tie the Generations line to the novel, as in maybe getting fans of that line be interested in the book. That, and allow the author to create his own timeline for Hasbro in the process.)

4)

Sabrblade wrote:On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

However, you fall back onto the continuity errors. Such as the fact that in the game, he was known as Optimus before he became Optimus Prime. Yet, Ratchet stated that before he became Optimus Prime, he was Orion Pax. And in the book, it talked about Sentinel Prime... Yet the game only mentioned Zeta Prime. Hasbro tried clarifying this in 2010 by claiming that his name was actually "Sentinel Zeta Prime."

5)

Sabrblade wrote:On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

Not according to the official timeline that is posted in TFwiki. The timeline states that the series happens before PRIME, not during. As in the events tied to the series happen between "After the Great Exodus" and the arrival of both Team Prime and the Decepticons.

Which, by the way, makes me want to watch Rescue Robots now.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.

A lot of disregard for the facts and fandom here, Sabrblade. Such as the fact that The Transformers was Hasbro's baby from the beginning. The only series they they were not involved with, however, were the series Toei solely worked on... Car Robots (Robots in Disguise)... AND both Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo.

Oh... And in terms of fandom, my understanding is that if it is a Transformers series/timeline/product/etc. here, it should matter regardless of our preferences here. Or did I not get that memo between the time that the Heavy Wars game burnt me out while the Unicron Trilogy bored me... And the time I wanted to join, even though I was going to join once I obtained my 10th Transformer? (Which, ironically, turned out to be Sky Lynx.)

One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts.

I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.

And I quote... "Okay, well, as far as Hasbro's concerned, Hot Shot couldn't be in the Prime cartoon." His words. As in the fact that Hasbro had no intention keep their tradition alive by placing a marketable character into their series. All because he said that.

Sabrblade wrote:What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).

Even if that is true, it doesn't explain why High Moon did not mention it at all... As it is their creation. And adds to the confusion to why they did not say anything about him being Orion Pax, either. (Again, this falls on the lap of High Moon, not Hasbro.)

Then again... Takara Tomy has not explained the G1 continuity error (i.e. Convoy's appearance in Beast Wars) that they included in their new G1 timeline. So since I am trying to respect you, I'll accept that explanation and just conclude that Prime's name change went from Orion Pax to Optimus to Optimus Prime. (And not Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, as Ratchet explained earlier.)

Sabrblade wrote:Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.

Actually... There is a correction (much like you and Prime need one with this unneeded Sky Lynx attitude that makes me facepalm just because he made it sound like he meant the character... As in a misunderstanding) to this - "Team Magnus" was never mentioned in any portions of the series. And with Ultra Magnus getting both the Hasbro and "Arms Microns" treatment, Hasbro is going to want to make sure that either "Ultra" (which is a title in some continuities) or "Magnus" (which is a title in others) is a lesser title to that of "Prime."

Oh, and also, based on Hasbro's history... They are most likely going to do an episode that has Ultra Magnus offer Bulkhead a position into his new team of Wreckers. Because one, they made the character. And two, it will allow the writers to show the fans the kind of Autobot Bulkhead has become ever since he joined "Team Prime."