Transformers: Masterpiece MP-49 Black Convoy Listed
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Thanks to eagle-eyed Seibertronian Bucky, we have some very interesting news to report. As can be gathered by the title of this story, there has been a listing created for the previously unannounced MP-49, which site sponsor BBTS has as Black Convoy! It's fairly safe to assume that this figure will be a "Nemesis Prime" recolor of MP-44 (aka Convoy/Optimus Prime 3.0) in his traditional black, teal, and red colors. The previous Black Convoy Masterpiece figure is shown below.
What do you all think of this out-of-nowhere listing? Will it turn out to be genuine? Are you excited about this potential figure? Let us know below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformers news!
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CST
Posted by angtre on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
A RiD Scourge-inspired one perhaps, maybe with a different trailer?
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
I'd normally agree, but MP-38 kinda threw any and all rationalization for the ID number system out the window.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 26th, 2019 @ 3:43pm CST
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:21pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:35pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:45pm CST
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 6:51pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 7:56pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:40pm CST
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Such shenanigans wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:49pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:55pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:43pm CST
His name was "Copy Convoy", so this wouldn't be that.Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys.
Posted by ScottyP on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:46pm CST
No, it just got that way on the secondary market before being reissued. MP-10B was ~140, MP-10 with trailer and all that was ~200-220 back then. Later reissues of both were some % less expensive which definitely doesn't help the recollection of how much they were.Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Attempting to figure out "rules" or guidelines for MP numbering schemes is the path to madnessAllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 26th, 2019 @ 11:01pm CST
Posted by First-Aid on November 27th, 2019 @ 12:23pm CST
Enough Primes already.
Posted by william-james88 on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:07pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
I was sure we had given up on the numbers making sense. They don't. Since Takara clearly doesn't care about the numbers, we shouldn't either.
Also, in my usual self I will say this, anyone expecting more than a standard redeco will be dissapointed.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:34pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet are the Nemesis redecos really so popular to warrant their own official number? How well are HasTak expecting this to sell alongside the other original figures of the line, given MP-44 was overpriced to begin with??
Again, the number itself has no real significance. At best it denotes either retooling or just straight redeco with new accessories, like these guys:
MP-31 Delta Magnus
MP-37 Artfire
MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Legendary Supreme Commander Ver. (aka the toy-accurate one)
MP-40 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:46pm CST
2009/10
2013
2017
What makes this one so special, over its predecessors? Aside from HasTak trying to fleece the fanbase with the same extortionate mold: but in black
Posted by Sabrblade on November 27th, 2019 @ 4:15pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 27th, 2019 @ 6:48pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:What makes this one so special, over its predecessors?
Probably, it's non exclusive status.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 28th, 2019 @ 1:07am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 28th, 2019 @ 9:05am CST
Armada Nemesis Prime was both a mass retail figure and the first Nemesis Prime ever.ZeroWolf wrote:So then, this could be the first mass retail Nemesis Prime then?
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 28th, 2019 @ 9:54am CST
Other than Scourge in Car Robots, is Nemesis IE Optimus Prime in a black deco, ever an actual character in ongoing fiction? I'd have thought this is kind of a hard sell, to general consumers, otherwise. Given his obviously high price point, without some kind of corresponding media, I can see this MP becoming a shelfwarmer.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 28th, 2019 @ 11:27am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Armada Nemesis Prime was both a mass retail figure and the first Nemesis Prime ever.ZeroWolf wrote:So then, this could be the first mass retail Nemesis Prime then?
I meant to say first mass retail MP release
Posted by william-james88 on November 28th, 2019 @ 1:59pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 28th, 2019 @ 2:12pm CST
I think the only reason Scourge stands out as a unique character with people is a combination of two factors: A) He was given his own unique name before the standard "Nemesis Prime" name came about, and B) he's the only version of the concept that exists as a fully fleshed out character, making people see him in a different light.william-james88 wrote:Just curious, since Scourge is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, and Nemesis prime is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, what distinguishes the decos from one another as the basis for a toy?
There may also be a third factor, in that many Nemesis Primes/Black Convoys are associated with Unicron, while Scourge has never been (though, Grand Scourge is, but he's a whole different confusing discussion).
In all honesty, if the name "Nemesis Prime" had existed at the time that Car Robots was being turned into Robots in Disguise, Scourge very likely would have been named "Nemesis Prime" instead, with the only reason that he wasn't being that the name simply didn't yet exist until it was conceived two years later during Armada.
Nowadays, "Black Convoy" and "Nemesis Prime" are equivalents of one another, and RiD 2001 Scourge was the first "Black Convoy". But since Scourge left such an impression with his fans, it might feel like a disservice to his legacy to retroactively rename him as just another Nemesis Prime.
Though, the "evil black and teal Optimus redeco" concept first originated with Copy Convoy in Beast Wars Second, while the "evil black Optimus redeco" in general all started with BotCon 1996 Onyx Primal (but he got retconned into being a Maximal by 1998, with a new online profile mentioning his defection from the Predacons to the Maximals after a falling out he had with the former).
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 2nd, 2019 @ 8:15pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 2nd, 2019 @ 8:49pm CST
I’m in the camp that the numbers are arbitrary.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 2nd, 2019 @ 8:51pm CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:I mean maybe, but then why didn’t they make Prime v3 MP-45?
I’m in the camp that the numbers are arbitrary.
oh they usually are, but what if, in this one instance, it was on purpose?
Posted by Sabrblade on December 2nd, 2019 @ 10:55pm CST
So that he could be released before Bumblebee, of course. We can't have Bee's first remake coming before Prime's second remake.Nemesis Maximo wrote:I mean maybe, but then why didn’t they make Prime v3 MP-45?
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 3rd, 2019 @ 7:01am CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Here's a thought: what if they made Black convoy MP-49 so Raiden could be MP-50?
I theorised this last week, but that was before I knew about Raiden making a comeback While I do believe the numbers to be ultimately meaningless outside of internal value (I.e. Which order they're supposed to be working on them) they may have made an exception for 50
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2019 @ 11:33am CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 12th, 2020 @ 7:02pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 12th, 2020 @ 7:12pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.
I'm expecting to see MPM Ratchet and Starscream at Toy Fair, but other than the Trainbots and maybe Rattrap, I expect what I just said to be this years lineup
Posted by william-james88 on January 12th, 2020 @ 7:27pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.
That is technically 6 G1 MPs and a Beast Wars mp plus a fee MPMs. Better than last year by comparison as far as G1 is concerned. I'm sure there will be a few more surprises though.
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 12th, 2020 @ 8:17pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.
I'm expecting to see MPM Ratchet and Starscream at Toy Fair, but other than the Trainbots and maybe Rattrap, I expect what I just said to be this years lineup
See, I dunno. There has been one hell of a long time since Jazz and Megatron were announced. Are we shire the line isn’t nixed? All the MPM figures have hit clearance, well, Jazz is a bit new.
I guess it looks really bleak to me because of Raider. I guess I’m just starved for news I want to hear, you know?
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 12th, 2020 @ 8:22pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.
I'm expecting to see MPM Ratchet and Starscream at Toy Fair, but other than the Trainbots and maybe Rattrap, I expect what I just said to be this years lineup
See, I dunno. There has been one hell of a long time since Jazz and Megatron were announced. Are we shire the line isn’t nixed? All the MPM figures have hit clearance, well, Jazz is a bit new.
I guess it looks really bleak to me because of Raider. I guess I’m just starved for news I want to hear, you know?
We've had 4 or 6 month old rumors for the MPMs, and I highly doubt they would cut that line when there is only 1 single Movie 1 Autobot left.
Thinking about it, we might also see a "plus" repaint or something to that extent.
The reveals lately have been very quiet, I suspect they are holding reveals closer to release dates. we still have nothing beyond the deluxes for the next SS wave as individual images, we only have wave 1 of Earthrise, due at the same time as the Offroad Bee SS wave, and we don't have anything fot the next Cyberverse deluxe wave to finish Maccadam.
long story short, I think they have been working reveals back to only a few months before release for all lines
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 13th, 2020 @ 4:36am CST
Wake me up when it's finally announced with prototype pictures.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 13th, 2020 @ 6:41pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:What I'm really looking forward to is MPM Starscream.
Wake me up when it's finally announced with prototype pictures.
I'm telling you, I will be greatly surprised if he and Ratchet are not revealed in the next 2 months
Posted by TulioDude on January 13th, 2020 @ 7:31pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:What I'm really looking forward to is MPM Starscream.
Wake me up when it's finally announced with prototype pictures.
I'm telling you, I will be greatly surprised if he and Ratchet are not revealed in the next 2 months
I love the Starscream movie design,and would love to see the level engineering.Imagine his jet boosters!
It would great next to an Armada Starscream.
Day 13 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 13th, 2020 @ 7:37pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 13th, 2020 @ 8:07pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'd be totally shocked, surprised, and dumbfounded if we don't get a MP+ of Hound.
Well, the heavily modified oversized KO of AoE Hound by Weijiang is pretty damn close to a proper MPM. I have him and he's amazing.
Still, I'm looking forward a proper official take by HasTak.
Also, MPM Grimlock. With how incredible the SS leader is, I wonder how HasTak will tackle it? Also, the size and the price. Because a MPM Grimlock that is properly in scale so that MPM AoE Optimus can ride him (oh, and do him too) as in the picture below would be insane.
Prime 1 Studios made the statue:
Sizes of the statue(s): https://www.toypanic.com/toy.aspx?p=3904
The Prime 1 statue seem to be relatively MPM sized and it cost 1900$US when it came out. Now we would need THAT but TRANSFORMABLE.
Only Haslab could tackle this duo I guess.
Posted by TulioDude on January 13th, 2020 @ 8:15pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Also, MPM Grimlock. With how incredible the SS leader is, I wonder how HasTak will tackle it? Also, the size and the price. Because a MPM Grimlock that is properly in scale so that MPM AoE Optimus can ride him (oh, and do him too) as in the picture below would be insane.
The Prime 1 statue seem to be relatively MPM sized and it cost 1900$US when it came out. Now we would need THAT but TRANSFORMABLE.
Only Haslab could tackle this duo I guess.
The first Masterpiece Titan class
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 13th, 2020 @ 8:20pm CST
TulioDude wrote:
The first Masterpiece Titan class
No.
It would be the same size as Haslab Unicron at the very least.
Meaning Divorce Class as (Burn?) said.
Posted by TulioDude on January 13th, 2020 @ 10:02pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:TulioDude wrote:
The first Masterpiece Titan class
No.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 13th, 2020 @ 10:38pm CST
He meant the Hound that just came out.-Kanrabat- wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'd be totally shocked, surprised, and dumbfounded if we don't get a MP+ of Hound.
Well, the heavily modified oversized KO of AoE Hound by Weijiang is pretty damn close to a proper MPM. I have him and he's amazing.
Still, I'm looking forward a proper official take by HasTak.