Transformers Combiner Wars Liokaiser Clearer Image

Love the vivid colors, love the new head on liokaiser. Hope they fix the quality of the sky lynx mold - oh, who am I kidding, they won't, didn't happen with the pyra magna mold (in fact it came with additional qc issue's) - the arms micron is cool, hope they add several new heads, as absolutely none of the current figure's look anything like the g1 liokaiser characters

Railbomb wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:...is he holding an Arms Micron or something?

Looks like it. So I'm betting that's either their 6th member or that each of them are coming with an AM as their breastforce partner.

I don't think he's supposed to be a 6th member, rather Liokaiser is supposed to come with new accessories instead. That Gul redeco seems to be one of them, and is possibly linked to the rumored Deathsaurus torso, who had a Tiger and Eagle back in G1. I don't see them getting a partner each, have you seen the size of the bat Hades?!

And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box, so I'm pretty sure he was at least intended to carry the CW label, even if that winds up not being the case in the end.

Zeedust wrote:Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box, so I'm pretty sure he was at least intended to carry the CW label, even if that winds up not being the case in the end.

He was also shown on some recent Platinum Edition boxes, like the Autobot Heroes one. I guess Hasbro no longer cares, as Combiner Wars and Platinum Edition are both under the Generations label.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box, so I'm pretty sure he was at least intended to carry the CW label, even if that winds up not being the case in the end.

He was also shown on some recent Platinum Edition boxes, like the Autobot Heroes one. I guess Hasbro no longer cares, as Combiner Wars and Platinum Edition are both under the Generations label.

Yeah, because cw skywarp was shown on the cross-sell of a plat. set too...

I would've preferred a G2 Defensor in this character slot, but he looks ok.

Zeedust wrote:Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box,

Was it? We'd first seen standalone artwork of the figure before any toy photos, and then the toy photo we saw at BotCon this year was from the Platinum Edition Autobot Heroes set. Computron's box wasn't at BotCon, so was there a pic of the box that showed Liokaiser on it?

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box,

Was it? We'd first seen standalone artwork of the figure before any toy photos, and then the toy photo we saw at BotCon this year was from the Platinum Edition Autobot Heroes set. Computron's box wasn't at BotCon, so was there a pic of the box that showed Liokaiser on it?

I made a mistake. I'm sorry. I'll shut up now.

Zeedust wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:Pretty...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And as a reminder, it's quite possible that with Combiner Wars over, Liokaiser is a Platinum Edition instead.

Our first glimpse of this guy was on CW Computron's box,

Was it? We'd first seen standalone artwork of the figure before any toy photos, and then the toy photo we saw at BotCon this year was from the Platinum Edition Autobot Heroes set. Computron's box wasn't at BotCon, so was there a pic of the box that showed Liokaiser on it?

I made a mistake. I'm sorry. I'll shut up now.

It's okay

We all make mistakes, but spreading correct information is usually preferable

While the Sky Lynx mold has seen less use, I think I would've preferred the Silverbolt mold as Leozack. Maybe retooled so the Blackjack mold could connect as Jallguar and keep him as a six figure combiner.


Also Alpha Bravo as Deathcobra.

RiddlerJ wrote:While the Sky Lynx mold has seen less use, I think I would've preferred the Silverbolt mold as Leozack. Maybe retooled so the Blackjack mold could connect as Jallguar and keep him as a six figure combiner.


Also Alpha Bravo as Deathcobra.

That would have been cool;

or swindle as jallguar

I want it!!!

Raintime Rainmaker wrote:Is...IS THAT THE BRAWL MOLD TWICE?

I would love to know how Hasbro came to the decisions they made when designing this "Liokaiser" set. They could have dropped either Drillhorn or Killbison to include Jallguar instead, giving the team a lot more mold diversity. I know that Jallguar is supposed to be a racing buggy, but I think a black repaint/retool of CW Dragstrip would have suited his original silhouette rather well. For that matter, they could have left out one of the planes too (either Guyhawk or Hellbat) to Jallguar, though at least the plane molds used are technically more different than the two versions of the tank mold are. At the end of the day, I know that Jallguar is the odd man out, not being one of the arms or legs of the gestalt form, but Hasbro has made bigger changes and concessions to established G1 characters before in the name of making a "good/cool/modern" product.

Also, are we 100% sure that the torso will be Deathsaurus? That teal screams Leozack to me, and what would Liokaiser be without the LEO part? Yes, the black and red detailing can also point to Deathsaurus, and the teal could be a nod to his more traditional blue coloring. Maybe it's some weird amalgamation of the two (thought that kind of weird fictional shoe-horning seems to be more Takara Tomy's MO).

Given the extensive retooling Takara Tomy was willing to do to give us the spectacular Unite Warriors Computron, I hope that, if they choose to tackle Liokaiser, they ditch the Sky Lynx torso, retool Silverbolt (yet again), and come up with a way to attach a "Legends" scale version of Jallguar to the torso.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Raintime Rainmaker wrote:Is...IS THAT THE BRAWL MOLD TWICE?

I would love to know how Hasbro came to the decisions they made when designing this "Liokaiser" set. They could have dropped either Drillhorn or Killbison to include Jallguar instead, giving the team a lot more mold diversity. I know that Jallguar is supposed to be a racing buggy, but I think a black repaint/retool of CW Dragstrip would have suited his original silhouette rather well. For that matter, they could have left out one of the planes too (either Guyhawk or Hellbat) to Jallguar, though at least the plane molds used are technically more different than the two versions of the tank mold are. At the end of the day, I know that Jallguar is the odd man out, not being one of the arms or legs of the gestalt form, but Hasbro has made bigger changes and concessions to established G1 characters before in the name of making a "good/cool/modern" product.

Also, are we 100% sure that the torso will be Deathsaurus? That teal screams Leozack to me, and what would Liokaiser be without the LEO part? Yes, the black and red detailing can also point to Deathsaurus, and the teal could be a nod to his more traditional blue coloring. Maybe it's some weird amalgamation of the two (thought that kind of weird fictional shoe-horning seems to be more Takara Tomy's MO).

Given the extensive retooling Takara Tomy was willing to do to give us the spectacular Unite Warriors Computron, I hope that, if they choose to tackle Liokaiser, they ditch the Sky Lynx torso, retool Silverbolt (yet again), and come up with a way to attach a "Legends" scale version of Jallguar to the torso.

Well since the head looks feline, my best guess is that the black parts on the torso are Jallugar.. Personally, I wish that they would use the Takara Nosecone mold for Drillhorn but this being Hasbro the chances of that are very slim. (But if Takara does its own version, I'm sure they'll use that mold)
As for Deathsaurus, I don't think they'll use him. He would make a good Titans Return figure though..
However my stance still remains: I want it!

Hopefully Hb is gonna put a face in that mouth cavity or retool the head to recreate the Leokaizer head in the anime. for a Takara retooled non exclusive version.

fenrir72 wrote:Hopefully Hb is gonna put a face in that mouth cavity or retool the head to recreate the Leokaizer head in the anime. for a Takara retooled non exclusive version.

It... has a retooled combiner head, it's just a little hard to make out against the helmet

RiddlerJ wrote:While the Sky Lynx mold has seen less use, I think I would've preferred the Silverbolt mold as Leozack. Maybe retooled so the Blackjack mold could connect as Jallguar and keep him as a six figure combiner.


Also Alpha Bravo as Deathcobra.

Retool him into a Hin D

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Hopefully Hb is gonna put a face in that mouth cavity or retool the head to recreate the Leokaizer head in the anime. for a Takara retooled non exclusive version.

It... has a retooled combiner head, it's just a little hard to make out against the helmet

If that's the case, as the face is indeed hard to see

fenrir72 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Hopefully Hb is gonna put a face in that mouth cavity or retool the head to recreate the Leokaizer head in the anime. for a Takara retooled non exclusive version.

It... has a retooled combiner head, it's just a little hard to make out against the helmet

If that's the case, as the face is indeed hard to see

You can see the eye's below the lion eye's, below that is the teal faceplate, outlined by silver

Mea so happy! Since Takara is releasing their Sky Reign combiner as an exclusive, that should be enough cash for them to release and retool ala Computicon, this version of Leokaiser. Maybe change the tank turret to simulate the original and retool Nosecone. Though that still is one short of a 4WD assault buggy.

I would have preferred G2 Defensor over this. Double Brawl (which I betting they haven't fixed) and a possible Deathsaurus without a robot mode, plus missing members means this isn't the update LioKaiser I was wanting.

fenrir72 wrote:Mea so happy! Since Takara is releasing their Sky Reign combiner as an exclusive, that should be enough cash for them to release and retool ala Computicon, this version of Leokaiser. Maybe change the tank turret to simulate the original and retool Nosecone. Though that still is one short of a 4WD assault buggy.

Yup, not really much getting by that, so I'm guessing that they'll go the fan-wank route a'la galvatronus, and justify it via the pack-in comic, in that regard, hasbro's may end up looking more like liokaiser than TT's

leokearon wrote:I would have preferred G2 Defensor over this. Double Brawl (which I betting they haven't fixed) and a possible Deathsaurus without a robot mode, plus missing members means this isn't the update LioKaiser I was wanting.

My copy is the least flawed (by that, he has no issue's) of the combaticon limbs, so this makes me hopeful for this release

Long story short: We should've gotten Leozack as yet another redeco and retooling of Silverbolt instead of Deathsaurus as a redeco and retooling of Sky Lynx. Besides, Deathsaurus doesn't need a vehicle mode...

Oh, and the coloring of Liokaiser's head is wrong... Apperently they based it off of an animation error.

leokearon wrote:I would have preferred G2 Defensor over this. Double Brawl (which I betting they haven't fixed) and a possible Deathsaurus without a robot mode, plus missing members means this isn't the update LioKaiser I was wanting.

That Brawl transformation was designed by Takara and their UW Brawl transforms the exact same way. Thats just the way the toy was meant to be. We dont have to like it, but it means its not an error that either Hasbro or Takara believe needs to be fixed.

Looking less and less excited for this, to be honest... I mean, maybe it'll be a fun set, but it's definitely not Liokaiser.

Wolfman Jake wrote:
I would love to know how Hasbro came to the decisions they made when designing this "Liokaiser" set. They could have dropped either Drillhorn or Killbison to include Jallguar instead, giving the team a lot more mold diversity. I know that Jallguar is supposed to be a racing buggy, but I think a black repaint/retool of CW Dragstrip would have suited his original silhouette rather well. For that matter, they could have left out one of the planes too (either Guyhawk or Hellbat) to Jallguar, though at least the plane molds used are technically more different than the two versions of the tank mold are. At the end of the day, I know that Jallguar is the odd man out, not being one of the arms or legs of the gestalt form, but Hasbro has made bigger changes and concessions to established G1 characters before in the name of making a "good/cool/modern" product.

Clearly, they were seeking to mimic the original Liokaiser's component placements (jets for arms, tanks for legs). I actually think it's a decent homage.

I think this guy looks cool, but it doesn't scream Liokaiser to me. I'll probably end up renaming him and his components and just hope that Takara is working on a proper Liokaiser with all 6 members.

As a source of generic Decepticons I could get behind this, but as Liokaiser...nah. If I feel the need for a Liokaiser it's TFC all the way for me.

Always the optimist/completist...I always hope that Hasbro and/or TT will come through and make things right...but this hardly ever happens. In my perfect CW/UW world.... In addition to the LioKaiser box set we have seen so far, I imagine either as general release (even under the Titans return line), or as HTS exclusives...3 additional deluxe limbs that can be purchased to interchange with Liokaiser- 1)An additional Aerialbot mold for Leozak, 2. An additional Swindle mold for Jarugar, and 3. and additional Helicopter mode for Deathcobra (though in Japan DC was only in 1 episode of the anime and a toy was never made).

In an odd twist Jarugar was the only member of this team to be made into a Kreon

steals_your_goats wrote:I think this guy looks cool, but it doesn't scream Liokaiser to me. I'll probably end up renaming him and his components and just hope that Takara is working on a proper Liokaiser with all 6 members.

I have been proven wrong before (very recetly too) but I still preffer being a realist and not holding hope for Takara to completely create a new combiner system to have two deluxes combine into a torso that can still plug with the pre-established CW port system for the arms and legs.

What I think will happen is this will be released as a platinum set and if Takara releases it, it will be released as a USA edition just like they did for the other platinum set they wanted to distribute in Japan, Trypticon.

In any case, no matter what Takara does with a Unite Warriors Liokaiser (IF they do), it will never be a decent update to the original. The whole point of Liokaiser is he has integrated hands and feet. To be a real update, Takara would have to redo this whole guy from scratch.

I'm not excited about this one as Liokaiser. This is not Liokaiser, especially when 2 of the original members are missing, one of whom is one of the most important characters from the Breastforce and from the Victory series (i.e. Leozack).

I really wish they had figured out a way to swap out the Voyager body with two deluxes so that the 6 member Combiner teams could be properly done. I'd also love to see Devastator done in this scale so that he's not the odd man out as a "Titans Class" sized figure.

Seibertron wrote:I'd also love to see Devastator done in this scale so that he's not the odd man out as a "Titans Class" sized figure.

Preaching to the choir my friend

Hmm, I can see what they were going for with the colours on the combined mode but as optimistic as I'm trying to be, I'm not feeling it as 'the' Liokaiser. If I get this, it will be headcannoned into a new set of characters who have formed a cult around the deceased combiner and have modded themselves to combine into a lookalike.

I think some of my problems stem from the lack of key characters, the use of the skylynx mold (lack of bot mode is a turn off no matter if it's deathsarus or leozack).

As for devy being titan class, at least his rival will be in the same class size and who knows what could happen in a few years. We could end up with deluxe scale constructicons and an omega supreme (leader sized? That's roughly the size of the combiners isn't it?)

Thinking about it, Omega Supreme would of been a great leader class candidate for Titan Returns (wouldn't be the first time he's been a headmaster either )

ZeroWolf wrote:
Thinking about it, Omega Supreme would of been a great leader class candidate for Titan Returns (wouldn't be the first time he's been a headmaster either )

I dobelieve that part of the reason why hasbro settled on Devastator as a titan class would be that he could scale with his rival when the time comes to release him.

ZeroWolf wrote:If I get this, it will be headcannoned into a new set of characters who have formed a cult around the deceased combiner and have modded themselves to combine into a lookalike.

I'm totally stealing this.

Depending on how the individuals look and stuff, my story for these will probably be that Leozack and Jallguar were killed when Liokaiser's torso got blown up in a battle, and the Decepticons reformatted the remaining limb bots and a fifth guy in an attempt to return Liokaiser to his former glory.

Keyword being 'attempt'.

Meh. I'll get it to five it a try. I love them breastforce boys. Everybody has pretty much said what needs to be said. Glad to be completing the TFC version soon, although this will cost about 1/4 the price.

Be interesting to see what is intended with the torso, which doesn't look a bit like Deathsaurus at hai point.

A third party group willl almost no doubt create a two deluxe chest and abdomen set for Liozack and Jagg. Maybe.

For what it's worth and this is not my picture but apparently you can attach Timelines Leozack to the Sky Lynx torso mode. I don't have Sky Lynx so I don't know how the connection is made or if it is sturdy.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:For what it's worth and this is not my picture but apparently you can attach Timelines Leozack to the Sky Lynx torso mode. I don't have Sky Lynx so I don't know how the connection is made or if it is sturdy.

You plug the mini-con ports on the underside of 'screamer's wings into the ports on the underside of Sky Lynx's wings

steals_your_goats wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:If I get this, it will be headcannoned into a new set of characters who have formed a cult around the deceased combiner and have modded themselves to combine into a lookalike.

I'm totally stealing this.

You're welcome

So when do we think we'll get official pictures then? Though if it does turn out to be a platinum, then we have some chance of it turning up in the UK

Seibertronian Autobot Roadburn has shared with us images proving that a new change has been made to a Transformers Combiner Wars voyager ratchet joints. Much like Motormaster/Optimus Prime from the first waves, it looks as though Onslaught's hip assembly has also been tweaked to allow for better, wider stances. You can see the images detailing the change below, along with some words by Autobot Roadburn - check them out!

I just picked up a CW Onslaught today (my second copy) and his stance has been widened a bit. I think this happened with the Motormaster/Optimus mold, basically instead of the legs rubbing against each other, they made it so that the slight slant on his feet stands flat on surfaces. His head also seems to be straightened out a bit (my first one had “always looking down” syndrome, my second one seems to look a bit straighter forward). The Onslaught on the left is the one I got from BBTS in December and the one on the right is one I found at Fred Meyer, which may have been there for a while - I’ve seen Onslaughts there for a few months now, so I’m not sure when these changes were put into effect. The box code for the newer one is 52931 in case it’s too hard to read the picture. I hope this is helpful, it’s only a slight difference but it makes the figure look WAY better in my opinion.

Only Onslaught? What about other uses of the mold?

Raintime Rainmaker wrote:Only Onslaught? What about other uses of the mold?

From the official pictures, it looks like UW Onslaught has the fix. I can't tell as far as G2 Onslaught because the pictures don't show him in a static pose, and they could have with Hot Spot but I have no clue, I only ever bought one Hasbro version and he didn't have a fix. Based on a couple pictures I found, the UW version doesn't have it, and they stopped making Hot Spot a while before Onslaught came out.

I'm at work and I can't see mine but I've had him for 6 months never noticed an issue. That being said I had Optimus and the origonal motormaster and never knew he had a problem for 9 months

ZeroWolf wrote:So when do we think we'll get official pictures then? Though if it does turn out to be a platinum, then we have some chance of it turning up in the UK

I am pretty sure official pics will be shown at SDCC

Grrr....I have both versions of Onslaught because it was ultimately cheaper to buy the pair of Voyagers online. (Plus, I was hoping the rumors of a running color change were true.) I had intended to sell my duplicate Onslaught a couple of years from now. But, it appears that my unopened Onslaught is the "fixed" version....

Those pics don't really show anything, am I missing something?

Hellscream9999 wrote:Those pics don't really show anything, am I missing something?

You can see that the sapce between the legs is slightly different and that the head doesnt drop as much. But I never noticed that on my own Bruticus.

Raintime Rainmaker wrote:Only Onslaught? What about other uses of the mold?

I don't see anything on each figure that is different