Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege

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Courtesy of fellow Seibertron user, Cyberpath and Loopaza Mega Store's Facebook page, we now have dates and pricing for the Japanese releases of the Transformers: War for Cybertron- Siege toyline.

As you can see from this list, the figures are due out in Japan in February.

This first wave consists of battle master class Firedrive and Lionizer, micro masters Roadhandler and Swindler (Autobot Racecar Patrol), Deluxe class Sideswipe and Autobot Cog, Voyager Optimus Prime and Leader class Ultra Magnus. The images below are of the toy reveals from SDCC and are mirrored for your convenience.

It should be noted that due to the brand-unification between Hasbro and Takara Tomy, these releases are expected to be the same as the Hasbro releases.

Also check out our photo gallery from SDCC 2018 which show the Autobots from the first couple of waves from the Siege toyline.

Looking forward to these? Let us know in the comments and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews.

Credit(s): Cyberpath from Seibertron, Loopaza Mega Store

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Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982366)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 5th, 2018 @ 10:11am CDT

Typically, does the Japanese price have any effect on the Western prices? Or can we just assume that they will be the same price, in which case we just need to do the currency conversion?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982369)
Posted by o.supreme on September 5th, 2018 @ 10:25am CDT

I'm not one of those "our country should have it first" fans...I believe in equal distribution for all, though unfortunately because of circumstances beyond our control, it isn't really feasible in some areas. However, it does appear that in unifying the "brand" release time frames between :HASBRO:

and

are shrinking, and will very soon pretty much be simultaneous, which I really think is a good thing. But as efficient :TAKARATOMY:

seemingly is, it looks like they may even get their releases out faster than :HASBRO:

at some point. It will be interesting to revisit this a year later and see where we are. I know the two companies may not release things in the same order, but just one case in point..

For PotP -Leader Optimal Optimus was supposedly released at the end of August in Japan, he is just starting to show up in some areas (Canada evidently), but still not in the United States. It seems more that this will be a simultaneous release than anything else.

Often when Takara would release their own product, if Hasbro ever decided to use it, it would come much later, and vice versa. i also believe its because of unification that many are getting "second chances" to find PotP figures that were previously very difficult to find. I guess there are some good things to come of this, again, it will be interesting to reevaluate a year form now, when we are most of the way through Siege, and see how things are going

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982374)
Posted by william-james88 on September 5th, 2018 @ 10:50am CDT

Rodimus Prime wrote:Typically, does the Japanese price have any effect on the Western prices? Or can we just assume that they will be the same price, in which case we just need to do the currency conversion?

There is a big difference between retail price and MSRP in Japan, where the price most retailers will sell it at (Amazon Japan, for example) will be a fraction derived from the MSRP.

So rule of thumb is that the retail price for Takara figures in Japan is 30% off MSRP, which would be

2450 for deluxe
3850 for voyager

And those prices do mirror close to what they retail for in the US (exchange varies a bit)

$22 for a deluxe

$34,50 for a voyager

So that should help you get an idea of the price points in the US for this line.

You can expect to pay the MSRP japanese price at retailers like BBTS.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982444)
Posted by MECHdirge on September 5th, 2018 @ 3:48pm CDT

This is a decent looking line, even if Collector types will have to decide if they need a Cybertron version of the more popular figures. Some of the “Cybertron” modes don’t strike me as very futuristic/space-y, but we’ll see. I think the smaller figures are interesting, and a good idea for kids/parents. I doubt the combiners were especially popular with kids and parents, but I don’t know how feasible it is for a toy company that sells retail to collect a good record of who buys what within their product lines.

Anyway, the prices seem reasonable, especially at the lower end. I plan on buying the entire first wave, although I’ll give Optimus a little thought first. He looks fine, but like many collectors, I have a LOT of Optimus figures. I skipped the PotP Leader version... just didn’t care for it. I usually buy Voyager scale stuff, but I’m not sure this Optimus is different enough to add anything to my collection. Ultra Magnus looks great, and I have the RID version boxed up somewhere. I like tye take on Cog, too.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982446)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on September 5th, 2018 @ 4:22pm CDT

MECHdirge wrote:This is a decent looking line, even if Collector types will have to decide if they need a Cybertron version of the more popular figures. Some of the “Cybertron” modes don’t strike me as very futuristic/space-y, but we’ll see. I think the smaller figures are interesting, and a good idea for kids/parents. I doubt the combiners were especially popular with kids and parents, but I don’t know how feasible it is for a toy company that sells retail to collect a good record of who buys what within their product lines.

I totally need Cybertron versions of everything. I love futuristic designs and yes, the designs could be way more futuristic but so far I dig half of them. They kind of look like a mixture of Earth and Cybertronian alt modes. For example I'm totally into Hound but I don't care for Sideswipe at all.

Anyway, the prices seem reasonable, especially at the lower end. I plan on buying the entire first wave, although I’ll give Optimus a little thought first. He looks fine, but like many collectors, I have a LOT of Optimus figures. I skipped the PotP Leader version... just didn’t care for it. I usually buy Voyager scale stuff, but I’m not sure this Optimus is different enough to add anything to my collection. Ultra Magnus looks great, and I have the RID version boxed up somewhere. I like tye take on Cog, too.

I'm thinking about getting Optimus for his alt mode because I already have the PotP Leader version and their alt modes look nearly identical. Or maybe I'll get rid of the PotP version but I can't display one SIEGE OP in both versions at the same time so there the Leader comes in handy. And maybe they recolor/-tool the mold so I'll wait to get it as wave 01 figures are not hard to get anyway and in my country the releases are a bit after the American's so I got some time to wait if there'll be more versions of it.
Kind of the same goes for Ironhide: I totally dig his alt mode but to me his robot mode is a bit boring. So I'll wait if they reuse the mold.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982474)
Posted by Skritz on September 5th, 2018 @ 6:15pm CDT

I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'? :-?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982538)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:31pm CDT

Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Actually not only is who could OP be retooled into, but who could UM also be retooled into. So far every single Leader class mold since T30 has been re-used at least once. On the voyager side, all the CW Voyager molds were used at least twice, but TR Galvatron and PotPie Grimlock were solo voyagers (I count Hun Gurr as a re-use of Silverbolt, yes, I know all new parts, but some definite savings on the design side.)

OP could be the voyager mold in this line that they don't re-use. But not re-using the UM leader mold for something else would be a major change for Hasbro. But who, I can't image another OP variant.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982540)
Posted by Skritz on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:33pm CDT

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Actually not only is who could OP be retooled into, but who could UM also be retooled into. So far every single Leader class mold since T30 has been re-used at least once. On the voyager side, all the CW Voyager molds were used at least twice, but TR Galvatron and PotPie Grimlock were solo voyagers (I count Hun Gurr as a re-use of Silverbolt, yes, I know all new parts, but some definite savings on the design side.)

OP could be the voyager mold in this line that they don't re-use. But not re-using the UM leader mold for something else would be a major change for Hasbro. But who, I can't image another OP variant.

People mentionned Thunderclash but we say that for every Voyager or Leader-class truck mold revealed. :lol:

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982541)
Posted by william-james88 on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:40pm CDT

Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Wont Optimus just get a black redeco, as he always is?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982543)
Posted by Skritz on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:47pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Wont Optimus just get a black redeco, as he always is?

He technically only got one from Hasbro (Nemesis Prime) during the whole of Prime Wars unless you count his mold-mate Motormaster, who is kinda black/grey/purple. Grand Scourge was Takara only: his redeco in CW was the white Nova Prime-esque 'Battle Core' Optimus Prime. In TR he got the Powermaster Prime figure with no black recolor. Meanwhile the TR Voyager was a pretool of Octane with only a Black Convoy/Scourge repaint in the Takara line.

So really in the last three lines he only got one black redeco from Hasbro.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982545)
Posted by william-james88 on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:50pm CDT

Skritz wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Wont Optimus just get a black redeco, as he always is?

He technically only got one from Hasbro (Nemesis Prime) during the whole of Prime Wars unless you count his mold-mate Motormaster, who is kinda black/grey/purple. Grand Scourge was Takara only: his redeco in CW was the white Nova Prime-esque 'Battle Core' Optimus Prime. In TR he got the Powermaster Prime figure with no black recolor. Meanwhile the TR Voyager was a pretool of Octane with only a Black Convoy/Scourge repaint in the Takara line.

So really in the last three lines he only got one black redeco from Hasbro.

I never mentioned Hasbro, on purpose. Brand unification baby!

Plus how dare you forget Shredicus Maximus!!!!!!!

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982550)
Posted by Skritz on September 5th, 2018 @ 9:56pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Wont Optimus just get a black redeco, as he always is?

He technically only got one from Hasbro (Nemesis Prime) during the whole of Prime Wars unless you count his mold-mate Motormaster, who is kinda black/grey/purple. Grand Scourge was Takara only: his redeco in CW was the white Nova Prime-esque 'Battle Core' Optimus Prime. In TR he got the Powermaster Prime figure with no black recolor. Meanwhile the TR Voyager was a pretool of Octane with only a Black Convoy/Scourge repaint in the Takara line.

So really in the last three lines he only got one black redeco from Hasbro.

I never mentioned Hasbro, on purpose. Brand unification baby!

Plus how dare you forget Shredicus Maximus!!!!!!!

Oh crap I forgot that....thing. :lol:

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982556)
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2018 @ 10:18pm CDT

Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Hasbro will still try to get as much use as possible out of molds because it helps pay for the work put into making them. Even a shared transformation like Hun-Gurrr would be cheaper to produce even without sharing parts simply because of the reduced development costs. What we'll probably see more often thanks to the shorter line runs is mold reuses being spread out across more series rather than retained within them.

Ultra Magnus is a very obvious potential pre-tool of RID Ultra Magnus, there's no mystery there. Optimus could become Thunderclash, that's usually the popular guess, but with that large part on the top of his truck mode that just hangs off his back they could turn the torso around and make the back the front with a smaller part coming off the top like the g1 figure.

Emerje

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982567)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 6th, 2018 @ 12:53am CDT

Emerje wrote:
Skritz wrote:I gotta admit I'm curious to see if Optimus will get a retool into somebody else, as his truck mode this time around is very clearly some pure G1 Optimus through a slight techno-filter. Unless the entire front cab/torso is retooled, whoever gets made using this mold would just look way too much like a recolored Optimus.

The thing is this line features a second Optimus-esque mold which is similar visually but clearly a separate mold: Ultra Magnus' cab. So then who could be the retool for Optimus? Or is he simply not getting a retool because Hasbro is making shorter lines with less need for 'filler'?

Hasbro will still try to get as much use as possible out of molds because it helps pay for the work put into making them. Even a shared transformation like Hun-Gurrr would be cheaper to produce even without sharing parts simply because of the reduced development costs. What we'll probably see more often thanks to the shorter line runs is mold reuses being spread out across more series rather than retained within them.

Ultra Magnus is a very obvious potential pre-tool of RID Ultra Magnus, there's no mystery there. Optimus could become Thunderclash, that's usually the popular guess, but with that large part on the top of his truck mode that just hangs off his back they could turn the torso around and make the back the front with a smaller part coming off the top like the g1 figure.

Emerje

...I really don't think they're going to repaint Ultra Magnus into another Ultra Magnus. They already pointed out his alt mode as a shout-out to the RiD fans and a fusion of the two character designs, it would seem kinda redundant to then repaint it minutely and release it as a second Magnus. Plus, a big part of this line seems to be the narrative associated with it, both from what Hasbro has said/shown with the poll and from all these secret messages on the posters, and having two different Ultra Magnuses (Ultra Magni? Ultra Magnus's?) with the same alt mode running around at the same time in one continuity would kinda detract from the narrative Hasbro seems to be wanting to establish.

I think there are three separate discussion topics posed here:
1. Who do we think the planned repaints/retools are for the Siege figures we know of so far,
2. How many of those do we think we'll actually get in Siege, and
3. Are retools/repaints considered "line filler" in Hasbro/Takara's eyes?

Personally, I think the answer to that number 3 is both no and yes. We clearly still get retools/repaints in the shorter lines (Novastar, Cutthroat, Elita-1, Rodimus Unicronus, etc), but we haven't seen the level of mold reuse that we did in CW since that line ended. Now whether that was because that was just a CW thing, because of the length of the line, or because they learned and made a conscious decision not to do that again is debatable, but I think they know that repaints/retools get stale in excess. That being said, we're still going to get SOME retools/repaints, as we already have teases from posters towards a tentative total of three Seekers and at Red Alert, all of whom are virtually guaranteed to be repaints.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982568)
Posted by fenrir72 on September 6th, 2018 @ 1:09am CDT

So is UM now Optimus' brother this time? Ala DW's take on the continuity?

If this is during the main civil war in Cybertron (pre Ark launch) so this UM could be the UM in the 1986 Movie sans "earth mode" trans scanning who will in turn be killed by 6shot (JP line) and be resurrected as the Legends UM with A-3?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982579)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 6th, 2018 @ 3:19am CDT

fenrir72 wrote:So is UM now Optimus' brother this time? Ala DW's take on the continuity?

If this is during the main civil war in Cybertron (pre Ark launch) so this UM could be the UM in the 1986 Movie sans "earth mode" trans scanning who will in turn be killed by 6shot (JP line) and be resurrected as the Legends UM with A-3?

Officially, I doubt its going to be linked to the g1 toon continuity, however if that's what you want to do with your collection then more power to you ;)^

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982596)
Posted by ThunderThruster on September 6th, 2018 @ 6:41am CDT

fenrir72 wrote:If this is during the main civil war in Cybertron (pre Ark launch) so this UM could be the UM in the 1986 Movie sans "earth mode" trans scanning who will in turn be killed by 6shot (JP line) and be resurrected as the Legends UM with A-3?

Now that's some enabling going on. My collection of Magnii now feels incomplete.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982611)
Posted by Overcracker on September 6th, 2018 @ 9:37am CDT

Would it blow everyone's mind if Prime is repainted into armorless Magnus, and Magnus got repainted into Powered Convoy? :michaelbay:

Just kidding, that probably won't happen. :-D

Though I'm willing to put good money on Sideswipe getting a Red Alert retool.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982621)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 6th, 2018 @ 10:00am CDT

Overcracker wrote:Would it blow everyone's mind if Prime is repainted into armorless Magnus, and Magnus got repainted into Powered Convoy?

Just kidding, that probably won't happen.

Though I'm willing to put good money on Sideswipe getting a Red Alert retool.

While I'm not sure if he's a retool(or redeco) of Sideswipe, a red alert has been spotted on one of the first posters we've seen for the toyline

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982633)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 6th, 2018 @ 11:09am CDT

Overcracker wrote:Would it blow everyone's mind if Prime is repainted into armorless Magnus, and Magnus got repainted into Powered Convoy?

What might blow my mind is if Optimus could use the Magnus armor as his own trailer. :michaelbay:

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982637)
Posted by nycPrime on September 6th, 2018 @ 11:14am CDT

What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982640)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 6th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT

nycPrime wrote:What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.

The likelihood of that would only be if the line features characters who are specifically meant to be Combiners, like the Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots, etc., as the gimmicks in this line are said to only be applied to characters who are supposed to have said gimmicks/who said gimmicks make sense for them to have. But seeing has how Hasbro just did a line and half for those Combiner-specific characters, and that most of them were historically created after the Transformers came to Earth (what with Siege intended to be a pre-Earthfall line) chances of seeing those characters in Siege are very unlikely.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982644)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 6th, 2018 @ 11:31am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
nycPrime wrote:What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.
The likelihood of that would only be if the line features characters who are specifically meant to be Combiners, like the Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots, etc. But seeing has how they just did a line and half for those specific characters, and that most of them were historically created after the Transformers came to Earth (what with Siege intended to be a pre-Earthfall line) chances of seeing those characters in Siege are very unlikely.

If anything, Monstructor and maybe Piranacon are the only viable contenders, the first because he was the very first in the IDW comics (which Hasbro has been keen on taking plot points for the toys), thus "pre-Earth" and tooling already exists for Wildfly (Slog and Birdbrain's execution may pose a problem tho). Piranacon's creation is anyone's guess, but Snaptrap's bio makes a reference to Cybertron, specifically the Toxic Slug Swamps.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982659)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 6th, 2018 @ 2:13pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Would it blow everyone's mind if Prime is repainted into armorless Magnus, and Magnus got repainted into Powered Convoy?

Just kidding, that probably won't happen.

Though I'm willing to put good money on Sideswipe getting a Red Alert retool.

While I'm not sure if he's a retool(or redeco) of Sideswipe, a red alert has been spotted on one of the first posters we've seen for the toyline

We've seen Prowl on some of the posters too. Should we be expecting retools/repaints into Bluestreak and Smokescreen as well?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982660)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 6th, 2018 @ 2:20pm CDT

Wolfman Jake wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Would it blow everyone's mind if Prime is repainted into armorless Magnus, and Magnus got repainted into Powered Convoy?

Just kidding, that probably won't happen.

Though I'm willing to put good money on Sideswipe getting a Red Alert retool.

While I'm not sure if he's a retool(or redeco) of Sideswipe, a red alert has been spotted on one of the first posters we've seen for the toyline

We've seen Prowl on some of the posters too. Should we be expecting retools/repaints into Bluestreak and Smokescreen as well?

I'd be surprised if we didn't. They're easy repaints and decent enough characters. But I was also surprised that we didn't get more leader 'cons from PotP, so who knows

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982669)
Posted by Skritz on September 6th, 2018 @ 2:35pm CDT

If we do see 'gimmicks revisited' (read: getting the Seacons and Horrorcons) I suspect it won't be in the first chunk of the trilogy. Still, I'm hoping we get some characters that aren't just season 1 to 3 of Generation 1. We got Impactor to look forward to but hopefully there's more.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982670)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 6th, 2018 @ 2:37pm CDT

I already thought it was a given we were getting prowl.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982680)
Posted by william-james88 on September 6th, 2018 @ 3:04pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:I already thought it was a given we were getting prowl.

He and Red Alert are a given, yes.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982685)
Posted by Cobotron on September 6th, 2018 @ 3:22pm CDT

We never get Bluestreak.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982688)
Posted by william-james88 on September 6th, 2018 @ 3:26pm CDT

Cobotron wrote:We never get Bluestreak.

And we even got 2 different MPs of him

:-P

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982703)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 6th, 2018 @ 4:51pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:We never get Bluestreak.

?

And we even got 2 different MPs of him

Wow that second group shot truly is inspiring.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982705)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 6th, 2018 @ 5:04pm CDT

I would be A-Okay with Magnus being repainted into Thunderclash, that would be clever.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982708)
Posted by Skritz on September 6th, 2018 @ 5:41pm CDT

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would be A-Okay with Magnus being repainted into Thunderclash, that would be clever.

Well, I'd say he would need a new head at least for the 'armored up' mode. Unless they do a more extensive retool and make him some sort of Leader Evolution Hyperdrive. But raise your hands, who knows about Hyperdrive and his lack of existence? :lol:

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982719)
Posted by fenrir72 on September 6th, 2018 @ 7:41pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:So is UM now Optimus' brother this time? Ala DW's take on the continuity?

If this is during the main civil war in Cybertron (pre Ark launch) so this UM could be the UM in the 1986 Movie sans "earth mode" trans scanning who will in turn be killed by 6shot (JP line) and be resurrected as the Legends UM with A-3?

Officially, I doubt its going to be linked to the g1 toon continuity, however if that's what you want to do with your collection then more power to you

For continuity's sake is all. If Sakamoto :BOWDOWN:

managed to weave all continuities into the Legends Universe, even explaining who the heck Devil Z was, Oracle etc. Hopefully, Takara can step up the plate and clear things up.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982721)
Posted by Skritz on September 6th, 2018 @ 7:50pm CDT

fenrir72 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:So is UM now Optimus' brother this time? Ala DW's take on the continuity?

If this is during the main civil war in Cybertron (pre Ark launch) so this UM could be the UM in the 1986 Movie sans "earth mode" trans scanning who will in turn be killed by 6shot (JP line) and be resurrected as the Legends UM with A-3?

Officially, I doubt its going to be linked to the g1 toon continuity, however if that's what you want to do with your collection then more power to you

For continuity's sake is all. If Sakamoto managed to weave all continuities into the Legends Universe, even explaining who the heck Devil Z was, Oracle etc. Hopefully, Takara can step up the plate and clear things up.

Well, with the multiverse remaining a concept within TF lore to this day it's clear that TF canon will always allow for variable interpretations. What is true to one universe doesn't need to be true in another and each universe generally is allowed to stand on it's own irrelevant of lore inconsistencies. Ultimately it's the nature of the beast that is TF lore that, even if one was to make one unified timeline it would ultimately itself just be yet another timeline rendered distinct by future additions. In other words, it's all canon somewhere in the multiverse. Even toy bios, technically speaking, exist within their own (barely glimpsed) continuities.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982950)
Posted by X3ROhour on September 8th, 2018 @ 12:47pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
nycPrime wrote:What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.
The likelihood of that would only be if the line features characters who are specifically meant to be Combiners, like the Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots, etc., as the gimmicks in this line are said to only be applied to characters who are supposed to have said gimmicks/who said gimmicks make sense for them to have. But seeing has how Hasbro just did a line and half for those Combiner-specific characters, and that most of them were historically created after the Transformers came to Earth (what with Siege intended to be a pre-Earthfall line) chances of seeing those characters in Siege are very unlikely.

so
you dont think TF:SIEGE CHROMIA
is a limb-bot?

she seems to be a retool of Moon/Nova.

Chromia v2 G3.jpg

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982951)
Posted by Skritz on September 8th, 2018 @ 12:50pm CDT

Z3ROhour wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
nycPrime wrote:What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.
The likelihood of that would only be if the line features characters who are specifically meant to be Combiners, like the Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots, etc., as the gimmicks in this line are said to only be applied to characters who are supposed to have said gimmicks/who said gimmicks make sense for them to have. But seeing has how Hasbro just did a line and half for those Combiner-specific characters, and that most of them were historically created after the Transformers came to Earth (what with Siege intended to be a pre-Earthfall line) chances of seeing those characters in Siege are very unlikely.

so
you dont think TF:SIEGE CHROMIA
is a limb-bot?

she seems to be a retool of Moon/Nova.

Chromia v2 G3.jpg

Her mold is a major retool but without the peg.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982956)
Posted by X3ROhour on September 8th, 2018 @ 1:02pm CDT

Skritz wrote:
Z3ROhour wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
nycPrime wrote:What is the likelihood that any part of this new trilogy will feature figures with combiner ports compatible with CW/POTP? I'm asking because I just rediscovered how much fun combiners are. To make space, I've started using various un-combined figures from those lines to make combiners (for example, Inferno with Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage, and Prowl). I certainly wouldn't mind a few more options for torso/limbs.
The likelihood of that would only be if the line features characters who are specifically meant to be Combiners, like the Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots, etc., as the gimmicks in this line are said to only be applied to characters who are supposed to have said gimmicks/who said gimmicks make sense for them to have. But seeing has how Hasbro just did a line and half for those Combiner-specific characters, and that most of them were historically created after the Transformers came to Earth (what with Siege intended to be a pre-Earthfall line) chances of seeing those characters in Siege are very unlikely.

so
you dont think TF:SIEGE CHROMIA
is a limb-bot?

she seems to be a retool of Moon/Nova.
are u sure?
thats a shame.
Chromia v2 G3.jpg

Her mold is a major retool but without the peg.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982962)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 8th, 2018 @ 1:18pm CDT

Yeah she may share mold but she can't combine as the character was never part of a combiner.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982969)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 8th, 2018 @ 3:49pm CDT

For the pedantic: Siege does not reuse any molds or parts from any previous line (so far at least), everything is all new tooling. Rather, only their transformations are reused with some changes, which is what happened with:

Chromia, based on PotP Moonracer/Novastar
Ironhide, based TR Sergeant Kup

By contrast, the Micromasters Red Heat and Big Shot do share parts.

Ok, upon closer examination, scratch all that. For the record, Chromia and Mooracer do share parts... but they're not really significant:

- the hands
- the upper legs
- the wheels

It's the lack of major part reuse (like the chest) that has rendered Chromia standalone, which is a bit of a shame, but no big loss: Elita-Infin1te would have looked a bit monotonous with 4 of the same limb molds, even more than Superion and Menasor :lol:

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982970)
Posted by Cobotron on September 8th, 2018 @ 4:12pm CDT

Speaking of shared transformations, I was looking at pics of Siege Hound...

... and realized it looks like his legs transform a lot like this guy's.

Transformers Cybertron Red Alert (First Aid) Gallery

Where all four wheels end up on or in his calves, which split apart to form both the front and rear chassis of the vehicle. Red Alert's thighs also split in half (a truly interesting bit of engineering for the time), but it doesn't look like Hounds do that bit of transformation.

It will be cool to see how those calf and shin parts are able to spread out and span the length of the vehicle mode.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982974)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 8th, 2018 @ 5:04pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's the lack of major part reuse (like the chest) that has rendered Chromia standalone, which is a bit of a shame, but no big loss: Elita-Infin1te would have looked a bit monotonous with 4 of the same limb molds, even more than Superion and Menasor

I disagree! I think the Moonracer/Firestar mold is one of the best limbs we have. They look great as arms or legs, but especially as arms! I wish we had a Greenlight and Lancer out of the same mold. Elita Infin1te would look fantastic that way, nice and symmetrical, but still varied in terms of colors like most other combiners. Right now, I have Elita Infin1te built with Moonracer and Firestar as the left and right arms and Bluestreak and Roller as the right and left legs. Not bad, but not ideal. When my Wreck-Gar comes in, he'll be replacing Roller.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982980)
Posted by Skritz on September 8th, 2018 @ 6:17pm CDT

People like to bitch how small and full of hollow parts modern Generations figures are but I had forgotten what chunky, bulky and kibble-loaded bricks Unicron trilogy figures were. Some of them haven't aged so well.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982986)
Posted by Cobotron on September 8th, 2018 @ 6:59pm CDT

Sure. But Cybertron toys were built to be just that, big solid toys that rowdy little kids could smash and bash, and take any abuse that was thrown their way. Todays TFs, not so much. And as bulky as First Aid is, that butterflying leg split is a pretty sweet piece of transformation, and the rear wheels are hidden inside those big calves.

But, I was taking another look at Hound up there and noticed, the black bits between the Jeep fenders is what forms his foot. So now I'm thinking his legs transform just like TR Kups. Does that mean he and Ironhide share transformation?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982990)
Posted by william-james88 on September 8th, 2018 @ 7:12pm CDT

Cobo, that red alert is the same as cannonbal right?

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1982996)
Posted by Cobotron on September 8th, 2018 @ 7:36pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:Cobo, that red alert is the same as cannonbal right?

Correct!

In fact, that's who I pulled off the shelf to examine while thinking about this Hound.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1983007)
Posted by Skritz on September 8th, 2018 @ 8:15pm CDT

Cobotron wrote::lol: Sure. But Cybertron toys were built to be just that, big solid toys that rowdy little kids could smash and bash, and take any abuse that was thrown their way.

I forget kids violently smash toys into one another. Being careful of my toys is why I've got most of my Beast Wars figure intact.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1983009)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 8th, 2018 @ 8:21pm CDT

Cobotron wrote::lol: Sure. But Cybertron toys were built to be just that, big solid toys that rowdy little kids could smash and bash, and take any abuse that was thrown their way. Todays TFs, not so much. And as bulky as First Aid is, that butterflying leg split is a pretty sweet piece of transformation, and the rear wheels are hidden inside those big calves.

But, I was taking another look at Hound up there and noticed, the black bits between the Jeep fenders is what forms his foot. So now I'm thinking his legs transform just like TR Kups. Does that mean he and Ironhide share transformation?

No. Ironhide's legs remain a solid chunk in both modes. Ironhide seems to reuse Kup's chest transformation however, while Hound takes cues from his legs.

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1983015)
Posted by Skritz on September 8th, 2018 @ 8:36pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Cobotron wrote::lol: Sure. But Cybertron toys were built to be just that, big solid toys that rowdy little kids could smash and bash, and take any abuse that was thrown their way. Todays TFs, not so much. And as bulky as First Aid is, that butterflying leg split is a pretty sweet piece of transformation, and the rear wheels are hidden inside those big calves.

But, I was taking another look at Hound up there and noticed, the black bits between the Jeep fenders is what forms his foot. So now I'm thinking his legs transform just like TR Kups. Does that mean he and Ironhide share transformation?

No. Ironhide's legs remain a solid chunk in both modes. Ironhide seems to reuse Kup's chest transformation however, while Hound takes cues from his legs.

No clearly they are both Silverbolt remolds. :^)

Re: Release dates and prices for Takara Tomy Transformers: War for Cybertron - Siege (1983163)
Posted by o.supreme on September 10th, 2018 @ 10:26am CDT

Z3ROhour wrote:you dont think TF:SIEGE CHROMIA
is a limb-bot?

she seems to be a retool of Moon/Nova.

Chromia v2 G3.jpg

I only wish she was.

For all future conversations related to this, I humbly submit this video. I apologize for the poor audio quality, I just made this on the fly at work, but I figure we are going to have ongoing conversations with others later about Siege Chromia