Pre-Order and Images of Takara Legends God Ginrai (Ginrai, Godbomber, Minerva and Cab)

SHOW US THE DAMN FACES TAKARA!!!!!

william-james88 wrote:SHOW US THE DAMN FACES TAKARA!!!!!

Takara is great at trolling fans!

I just got my god ginrai so im good. If the titans came with vehicles to interact with I would feel cheated. But Im not into swapping heads with bodies that dont belong to them so no big loss. One thing I would assume is that reversing the paint scheme on the cab part leaves a lot more room for paint imperfections. Before you had a few blue paint apps (windows) over a red plastic cab part. Now youre gonna have red paint all over a clear blue plastic cab part just for the sake of clear windows. I see lots of messy paint errors coming out the factory. As a huge buyer of takara figures, I can tell you the paint isnt always as perfect as you would expect for double the price of Hasbro versions. And whats funny is that this reissue means that "Magnus Prime" and the inevitable god bomber US release box set will be worthless for those scalpers who like to break up sets and sell em...lol.

Rated X wrote: I can tell you the paint isnt always as perfect as you would expect for double the price of Hasbro versions.

Takara toys cost more for US fans because of extra importing fees, it has nothing to do with the paint apps.
For example, Legends Sixshot costs $54 in Japan, which is faaaar from double the cost of Hasbro.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... 1&rank=ctg

So glad I waited for this and didn't immediately jump on the first two releases. Now I just need to get the Wheelie/Goshooter set to have Shuta to go with Cab and Minerva.

Wow. This entire giftset is AWESOME!
Too bad it might be a while before I can actually get it.

Even though that chrome is from the original godbomber, I just want the chrome sword. Im quite sure that metallic paint will scratch off very easy.
Phenomenal price though

that set looks gourgeous, looks like im going to be double dipping on these guys after all

william-james88 wrote:SHOW US THE DAMN FACES TAKARA!!!!!

Like we say in québécois,
TAKARA BANDE D'AGACES-PISSETTES!

So in summation Takara you can have my money for this set it. I shall then keep my Super Ginrai in convoy mode thus figuring out what the hell to do with the future arrival of Magnus Prime.

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote: I can tell you the paint isnt always as perfect as you would expect for double the price of Hasbro versions.

Takara toys cost more for US fans because of extra importing fees, it has nothing to do with the paint apps.
For example, Legends Sixshot costs $54 in Japan, which is faaaar from double the cost of Hasbro.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... 1&rank=ctg

And I can tell the same thing for us Canadian who import all American goods. Exchange + hig shipping, + surprise custom fees can amount to TRIPLE or QUADRUPLE the original cost.

Like, eh, it's all a matter of perspective.

Anyone know if the giftset Ginrai was retooled to have reversible knees?

I just want the two Headmaster Jrs., I could source the other two via other means... which means waiting until Hasbro actually releases that Magic Mushroom.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Anyone know if the giftset Ginrai was retooled to have reversible knees?

You're gonna have to explain that one.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I just want the two Headmaster Jrs., I could source the other two via other means... which means waiting until Hasbro actually releases that Magic Mushroom.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Anyone know if the giftset Ginrai was retooled to have reversible knees?

You're gonna have to explain that one.

Knees that bend forward as well as backward. The PMOP/Super Ginrai mold desperately needs them for the sake of the base mode. As-is, the ramps are stuck pointing backward and running under the "towers" made by the arms, which A. reduces the resemblance to the original PMOP's base mode and B. impairs their function. With reversible knees the base mode decks could be rotated 90 degrees outward. This would not only improve the resemblance, it would also provide better clearance for stuff to drive up and down the ramps.

PMOP can already do that:



I'm pretty sure Ginrai can do the same.

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote: I can tell you the paint isnt always as perfect as you would expect for double the price of Hasbro versions.

Takara toys cost more for US fans because of extra importing fees, it has nothing to do with the paint apps.
For example, Legends Sixshot costs $54 in Japan, which is faaaar from double the cost of Hasbro.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... 1&rank=ctg

Weve been through this debate before. Whether the extra cost in incurred through import fees, price gouging, or Japans gift to the sky gods, its still double the amount of money coming out of my pocket for a piece of plastic that does the same thing.

And the reason I dont really buy into the "import fees" theory is because the toys are all made from the same molds. The crates of takara figures BBTS and TFSource recieve never touch Japanese soil. They get shipped from the Chinese factory they were made directly to the US. Thats right, the same exact route on the same cargo ship or plane that the hasbro crates get to the US. So that import fee excuse is TOTAL BULLS**T. Its called PRICE GOUGING...Japanese writing on a box doesnt mean its made in Japan. Its made in China and shipped to the US at the same cost that the hasbro figures get shipped to the US. Open your eyes my brother....its price gouging.

Oh, there probably is price-gouging by BBTS, but import fees are doubtless still a factor. Even if the crates never touched Japanese soil, being the Japanese edition presumably qualifies them as a foreign product and thus subjects them to import fees (which are basically protectionist tariffs) tacked on to the freight cost. Same kind of thing that inflates shipping from Canada to the US and from the US to Canada.

Overcracker, the only part of my description that mode matches is the part about giving the ramps better clearance for things to drive up and down . Admittedly it's an improvement on the base mode in the official instructions for PMOP (which is what I have. The only Japanese import I've ever gotten was Encore Ratchet, because I found him MISB on eBay for $20 shipped), but it's not exactly what I was talking about. It doesn't involve the knees bending 90 degrees forwards (which they cannot do) or really improve the resemblance to the original PMOP base mode

Rated X wrote:Weve been through this debate before. Whether the extra cost in incurred through import fees, price gouging, or Japans gift to the sky gods, its still double the amount of money coming out of my pocket for a piece of plastic that does the same thing.

Sure, but your theory is that there are evil mail men who conspire to make toys exclusive to certain nations so that people must pay them more to ship them. Its nonsense.

Just contracts, really. Takara toys can only be bought in japan, so anyone in the US has to pay shipping. For Hasbro toys, they cover the shipping to america, since they distribute the product there, so retailers dont have to fork out added costs. Thats it.

It's the same in reverse. Since Hasbro toys cant be sold directly to japanese people, they must also be imported, so a japanese fans ends up paying $100 for Titans Return Octane and Blitzwing together

http://www.redmercury.co.jp/shop/detail ... -RED-14033


And @ Zelda, I really like your avatar!

Weren't there also Japanese fans clamouring for Hasbro-exclusive CW stuff like Offroad and G2 Bruticus? How much could they expect to fork out for those?

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Weve been through this debate before. Whether the extra cost in incurred through import fees, price gouging, or Japans gift to the sky gods, its still double the amount of money coming out of my pocket for a piece of plastic that does the same thing.

Sure, but your theory is that there are evil mail men who conspire to make toys exclusive to certain nations so that people must pay them more to ship them. Its nonsense.

Just contracts, really. Takara toys can only be bought in japan, so anyone in the US has to pay shipping. For Hasbro toys, they cover the shipping to america, since they distribute the product there, so retailers dont have to fork out added costs. Thats it.

It's the same in reverse. Since Hasbro toys cant be sold directly to japanese people, they must also be imported, so a japanese fans ends up paying $100 for Titans Return Octane and Blitzwing together

http://www.redmercury.co.jp/shop/detail ... -RED-14033


And @ Zelda, I really like your avatar!

I never said anything about evil mail men or conspiracy theories so dont try to put words in my mouth.

Youre theory completely defies all logic from a corporate standpoint. Youre talking as if you have copies of takara contracts translated in the palm of your hand and know exactly what they do just because. You have offered no proof that the Chinese based factory jointly owned by Hasbro/Takara spends double the money to ship pallets of toys to Japan only to be put on another boat and be shipped to the US. That defies all logic. It would be millions in wasted revenue on shipping large trailer sized crates twice instead of once. Remember Hasbro Asia owns the molds, takara just uses them and packs their figures in carboard with Japanese writing.

Still think all pallets of Takara products touch Japanese soil before beginning their journey to the US and other countries?

Then please explain how a bunch of Takara Chromedome heads got packaged with Hasbro bodies and sent to the US?

This is proof that both Takara and Hasbro figures are made in the same factory by the same people in China. While that alone doesnt directly proce your double shipping costs theory wrong, it doesnt prove it right either. Thats where using good old fashioned logic comes in handy. Its not about "evil mail men" or Japanese conspiracy theories. Its about smart business practices and cost reduction. It just MAKES SENSE from a business standpoint. Takara owns their products made in China even if they never touch Japanese soil. They can ship them from wherever they choose to cut costs. Its their property.

The only thing you proved in the past to me with your news connections is that takara products sell in Japanese retail outlets for the same price as hasbro versions when you translate the currency to US dollars. And I gave you credit for that. (Even though they were selling takara animated figures for $35 US dollars a pop the one time I was physically in a Japanese airport briefly to catch a connecting flight to the Philippines ) Ill give you the benefit of the doubt on that one and assume the airport gift shop was gouging the prices for tourists, not Takara themselves.

But just do yourself a favor and kill the talk about conspiracy theories, my friend. Uless you can provide a copy of Takara shipping contracts that offer definitive proof where they can and cant ship the property they paid for, dont say you know. The only thing we can do is refer to smart business practices. Hasbro/Takara is known for finding ways to cut costs and increase profits, so one can only assume that they are smart enough not to waste millions by paying for shipping twice.

Kurona wrote:Weren't there also Japanese fans clamouring for Hasbro-exclusive CW stuff like Offroad and G2 Bruticus? How much could they expect to fork out for those?

yes there were, the G2 combiner sets sold for around the $200 price point in japan, so double the US price point. And they were completely sold out while those same sets for half the price stagnated on US websites. Its like few fans in the US cared that they had gorgeously painted Hasbro exclusives, but Japan was like " holy shit, a gorgeously painted Hasbro exclusive, I must have NOW!"



Japan fans are also buying hasbro Skyshadow for $100

http://www.redmercury.co.jp/shop/detail ... =RED-13807

Its pretty much the flip side of Us fans buying Super Jinrai for the same amount in the US.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Weren't there also Japanese fans clamouring for Hasbro-exclusive CW stuff like Offroad and G2 Bruticus? How much could they expect to fork out for those?

yes there were, the G2 combiner sets sold for around the $200 price point in japan, so double the US price point. And they were completely sold out while those same sets for half the price stagnated on US websites. Its like few fans in the US cared that they had gorgeously painted Hasbro exclusives, but Japan was like " holy ****, a gorgeously painted Hasbro exclusive, I must have NOW!"



Japan fans are also buying hasbro Skyshadow for $100

http://www.redmercury.co.jp/shop/detail ... =RED-13807

Its pretty much the flip side of Us fans buying Super Jinrai for the same amount in the US.

That is fun to know. To better demonstrate on how some of those sets are still on the shelves, I saw one yesterday (the G2 Aerialbots) on discount at my local Walmart.

Ultra Mad wrote:
That is fun to know. To better demonstrate on how some of those sets are still on the shelves, I saw one yesterday (the G2 Aerialbots) on discount at my local Walmart.

We tend to not see how lucky we are with hasbro exclusives and always feel the grass is greener. But even now in the Legends line, we dont know if there will be a Sky Shadow, Krok, Raodburn or Quake, just to name a few. So all these fans in japan who are into obscure hasbro only stuff (just as there are fans here who are into more obscure JG1 stuff we didnt get here) will not be getting them and will be stuck having to import them.

I can also easily imagine how different boards would have been if Hasbro had not done those G2 combiners and instead Takara released them all as UW EX Takara tomy mall exclusives.

Rated X wrote:
But just do yourself a favor and kill the talk about conspiracy theories, my friend. Uless you can provide a copy of Takara shipping contracts that offer definitive proof where they can and cant ship the property they paid for, dont say you know. The only thing we can do is refer to smart business practices. Hasbro/Takara is known for finding ways to cut costs and increase profits, so one can only assume that they are smart enough not to waste millions by paying for shipping twice.

Dude, you are sooooo missing the point here it is ridiculous.

Nobody ever said anything was shipped twice, and nobody was debating you on them both being made in the same factory. That factory, however is in Viet Nam, not China, so be careful on calling people out on knowing their facts.

Will, I believe, was trying to indicate that the additional cost for non-Japanese customers to purchase Takara, to Japanese customers to purchase Hasbro lies within needing to use 3rd party importers/exporters and not some magical trick Has/Tak pulls to gouge their customers. Has/Tak is not making extra money on the exports/imports, the 3rd parties involved are. In the US, the regular shipments of Hasbro products for Hasbro's US distribution cover the shipping for products to cross the ocean to US soil. That is why we have pretty standardized pricing. Takara does not have distribution within the US, so our only options for purchasing Takara products are to go to Japan, or import them through a 3rd party. This is where the additional cost is added, not on the bill from Has/Tak to the 3rd party importer/exporter, but on their bills to us.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Will, I believe, was trying to indicate that the additional cost for non-Japanese customers to purchase Takara, to Japanese customers to purchase Hasbro lies within needing to use 3rd party importers/exporters and not some magical trick Has/Tak pulls to gouge their customers.

Thanks, that is exactly what I was trying to say, but seemingly not saying well enough.

Also, if Rated X or anyone doesnt want to pay the more expensive price BBTS has them at, they can always buy them for the actual price people in japan pay for toys. Here is Legends Sixshot for $50

http://www.anime-export.com/product/36255

Of course, shipping is on you. I fail to see who profits out of this aside from the carrier whos services you will be using.

william-james88 wrote:And @ Zelda, I really like your avatar!

Thanks. I'm proud to own the little guy, and that my repair and filing job seems to have done the business (at least if he's handled gently). He's displayed combined with the others into G2 Superion (as a leg, because like hell am I combining him as an arm with how tight the ratchets in those shoulder sockets are).

Good to see that the giftset Ginrai has transparent cab windows, a shame he doesn't seem to have any additional 5mm ports compared to the regular version but the transparent windows are still a marked improvement (All the other TR toys with cockpits had cockpits you could see into, so PMOP/Ginrai lacking one really stood out, especially with him being a Leader-class figure).

Still eagerly waiting on more pics of Roddy. Also wondering if Takara might do something with the Fort Max version of the T30 Metroplex mold. Something... grand. Something... brave.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also wondering if Takara might do something with the Fort Max version of the T30 Metroplex mold. Something... grand. Something... brave.

I see what you did there. Unfortunately, TakaraTomy (and Hasbro, as those SDCC versions don't really count) has yet to properly redeco any Titan Class figure into something else entirely. Not to mention they hardly ever redeco anything now (as in, releasing the same base mold twice in a single line).

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rated X wrote:
But just do yourself a favor and kill the talk about conspiracy theories, my friend. Uless you can provide a copy of Takara shipping contracts that offer definitive proof where they can and cant ship the property they paid for, dont say you know. The only thing we can do is refer to smart business practices. Hasbro/Takara is known for finding ways to cut costs and increase profits, so one can only assume that they are smart enough not to waste millions by paying for shipping twice.

Dude, you are sooooo missing the point here it is ridiculous.

Nobody ever said anything was shipped twice, and nobody was debating you on them both being made in the same factory. That factory, however is in Viet Nam, not China, so be careful on calling people out on knowing their facts.

Will, I believe, was trying to indicate that the additional cost for non-Japanese customers to purchase Takara, to Japanese customers to purchase Hasbro lies within needing to use 3rd party importers/exporters and not some magical trick Has/Tak pulls to gouge their customers. Has/Tak is not making extra money on the exports/imports, the 3rd parties involved are. In the US, the regular shipments of Hasbro products for Hasbro's US distribution cover the shipping for products to cross the ocean to US soil. That is why we have pretty standardized pricing. Takara does not have distribution within the US, so our only options for purchasing Takara products are to go to Japan, or import them through a 3rd party. This is where the additional cost is added, not on the bill from Has/Tak to the 3rd party importer/exporter, but on their bills to us.

Hello ???

Is anybody actually reading my posts?

I made it very clear in my first reply to william james that takara ships out their pallets from their factory they are produced in, not Japan. (The same factory the hasbro versions are produced) Which means they should be the same price as the hasbro including shipping costs to online retailers in the US. People have always said the factory is in China on this website so I was taking their word for it. Especially since so many factory leaks are sold on Tao Bao and dealers like Chimungmung seem to get their hands on takara factory items and sell them for dirt cheap prices. Even if the factory is in Vietnam that changes nothing about the point I am trying to make....

Hasbro and Takara toys:

Made from the same mold in the same factory

Packaged in the same factory

Pallets shipped internationally to online retailers from the same factory

But 2 different prices???

For what? A different shade of blue plastic and 50 cents worth of extra paint apps? Cmon now....

William James keeps insisting Takara can only sell toys from Japan yet they own a factory in China (or Vietnam) and waste millions shipping the figures back to Japan instead of sending them on the same shipping route that takes the Hasbro figures straight to the US. Thats like me buying you a gift online from BBTS and having it shipped to me instead of you. Then I gotta pay for shipping a 2nd time to get it to you. It defies all logic. Especially in a case where I own a factory and I can ship whats made in my factory anywhere in the world I want. The factory is not privately owned by a seperate entity, it belongs to Takara (actually Hasbro who licenses Takara to use the molds) So the BBTS and TFSource bulk orders go to their headquarters in Japan who in turn faxes the requisition form to the factory with the clients shipping information. Then the factory (in China or Vietnam) fulfills the order and ships it out to the US, Euorpe, etc. Its that simple.

So why do I bring this all up???

Because if it costs the same as a Hasbro figure to mass produce and ship to the US it should be the same price as a toy sold in the US. (Or a few dollars more to be fair)

But double the price???

Nah man....somebody in the chain is price gouging.

I dont think the online retailers are responsible for the gouging because they seem to keep prices consistent with each other rather than low balling each others prices to steal business. (You can easily do that when you buy stuff in bulk for dirt cheap prices)

I dont thing its the shipping companies doing the gouging because they have no idea whats wrapped up in those pallets sent to the US out of the factory. It could be hasbro or it could be takara. They dont know or care whats in the boxes. They charge their fixed rate to ship the crates to the US, where they continue their journey through American shipping companies. (Sorry William, no evil mail men but you did give me a good laugh)

So whos left in the chain who could possibly be doing the gouging?

Ummmm....the only ones left is Takara themselves. (Or more likely Hasbro since they own the factory and the molds and license them out to Takara)

So theres your culprits. I broke it down for everybody all the way and kept it simple so evan the most ignorant of fans can understand.

Enough with the damn import fees excuses. Its all BS.

Rated X. you're the one who needs to properly read people's posts.

Here's one point you need to grasp:
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE FACTORY IS, WHAT MATTERS IS THE MARKET THE PRODUCT IS PACKAGED FOR If something is packaged for, say, the Japanese market, that is the market it is considered domestic for; in other markets it would be subject to customs markup. Customs markup is markup added to shipping fees by governments when they want to discourage shipping between two countries (this is why the shipping charges for sending something from the US to Canada and vice versa are generally ridiculous)

Another major point, which is what William James is bringing up:
Since BBTS is an importer from Takara's perspective (they are based outside of Takara's retail network), THEY ARE QUITE POSSIBLY HAVING TO PAY THE FREIGHT COSTS THEMSELVES FOR TAKARA PRODUCTS, INCLUDING CUSTOMS FEES

Anyone else getting really bored of this and just wants to gush over cool toys?

Kurona wrote:Anyone else getting really bored of this and just wants to gush over cool toys?

Aye!

Kurona wrote:Anyone else getting really bored of this and just wants to gush over cool toys?

Definitely.

Agreed. Let's move on. How about someone write a letter to BBTS or TF Source and ask who they buy their Takara stock from.

Until then, let's move the conversation back to Takara's wonderful toys themselves.

Kurona wrote:Anyone else getting really bored of this and just wants to gush over cool toys?

Yep. Let's do that please

I really want the God Ginrai. It looks so freaking cool.

Takara revamped the LEGENDS section on its website, and added some new pix of upcoming figures:


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LG51 --













LG52 --















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Some of these have 360° turn arounds.

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Those Targetmasters look neat. I don't particularly fancy getting LG Triggerhappy as I already have the TR version, but I wouldn't mind if they did what they did with the Headmasters and released a pack of just the Targetmasters in new colours. More guns is always cool.

Takara Tomy Mall has updated with new images of their upcoming Legends figures, but this time focuses on the Headmasters and Targetmasters! The new images include better looks at Triggerhappy, Doublecross, Misfire, and Broadside. We even get a nice comparison of the targetmasters courtesy of Seibertronian Cyberpath that include the targetmasters set to come with Kup and Hot Rod. Check out the new images below, and let us know what you think of these new decos below!

The online comics page has been overhauled as well - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_lg/tf_lg_comic

Now it's far more easier to navigate through all of the comics on one page.

Ok! So, who are all these guys based on, now that we have clear, straight-on pictures?

Doublecross is a win, if even just for his painted headmaster

MagicDeath wrote:Ok! So, who are all these guys based on, now that we have clear, straight-on pictures?

The Targetmasters are, from left to right, Kup's partner Recoil, Hot Rod's partner Firebolt, Blurr's partner Haywire (who comes with Doublecross because Legends Blurr already came out; he's obviously still designed to go with Blurr - see those clips on him? Those are no doubt for attaching to Blurr's car mode since it lacks topside ports), Triggerhappy's partner Blowpipe, and Misfire's partner Aimless. That first Headmaster is Triggerhappy's head. Doublecross's Headmaster is based on White Leo (and unlike the US version's "Daburu" is fully painted up to really show it). Not sure on the other head

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Ok! So, who are all these guys based on, now that we have clear, straight-on pictures?

The Targetmasters are, from left to right, Kup's partner Recoil, Hot Rod's partner Firebolt, Blurr's partner Haywire (who comes with Doublecross because Legends Blurr already came out; he's obviously still designed to go with Blurr - see those clips on him? Those are no doubt for attaching to Blurr's car mode since it lacks topside ports), Triggerhappy's partner Blowpipe, and Misfire's partner Aimless. That first Headmaster is Triggerhappy's head. Doublecross's Headmaster is based on White Leo (and unlike the US version's "Daburu" is fully painted up to really show it). Not sure on the other head

Aah, but not quite.

While it would be simpler if the Targetmasters came with their actual partners - and I have no idea why they didn't do that - the Targetmasters that are actually assigned to each figure are largely random. I'll quote from Jelze since she had the full list so far:-

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Checklist time:

Pinpointer: None
Peacemaker: LG46 Targetmaster Chear / Kup
Spoilsport: None

Firebolt: None
Haywire: LG51 Targetmaster Doublecross / Twinferno
Recoil: None

Aimless: LG52 Targetmaster Misfire
Blowpipe: LG49 Targetmaster Triggerhappy
Caliburst: LG?? Targetmaster Slugslinger

Fracas: LG45 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Nightstick: None

We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Kurona wrote:We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Cue Cyberbath

MagicDeath wrote:

Kurona wrote:We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Cue Cyberbath

We need a Bat-Signal to summon Cyberpath for this stuff.

Noticed something cool, Triggerhappy's head is cartoon-accurate and his Titanmaster is toy-accurate. (Still would have preferred him without the Headmaster gimmick though.)

Kurona wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Ok! So, who are all these guys based on, now that we have clear, straight-on pictures?

The Targetmasters are, from left to right, Kup's partner Recoil, Hot Rod's partner Firebolt, Blurr's partner Haywire (who comes with Doublecross because Legends Blurr already came out; he's obviously still designed to go with Blurr - see those clips on him? Those are no doubt for attaching to Blurr's car mode since it lacks topside ports), Triggerhappy's partner Blowpipe, and Misfire's partner Aimless. That first Headmaster is Triggerhappy's head. Doublecross's Headmaster is based on White Leo (and unlike the US version's "Daburu" is fully painted up to really show it). Not sure on the other head

Aah, but not quite.

While it would be simpler if the Targetmasters came with their actual partners - and I have no idea why they didn't do that - the Targetmasters that are actually assigned to each figure are largely random. I'll quote from Jelze since she had the full list so far:-

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Checklist time:

Pinpointer: None
Peacemaker: LG46 Targetmaster Chear / Kup
Spoilsport: None

Firebolt: None
Haywire: LG51 Targetmaster Doublecross / Twinferno
Recoil: None

Aimless: LG52 Targetmaster Misfire
Blowpipe: LG49 Targetmaster Triggerhappy
Caliburst: LG?? Targetmaster Slugslinger

Fracas: LG45 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Nightstick: None

We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Jelze is wrong and I have no idea where they pulled the Fracas name from. Peacemaker I can see based on comparison, but not Fracas.
Just look at the photos of these Targetmasters and compare them to the original toys.

Firebolt:

Fracas:

Recoil:

Peacemaker:

The LG45 Targetmaster is Firebolt. He has Firebolt's shoulders, Firebolt's head, Firebolts pec detailing, Firebolt's leg detailing, and is double-barreled like Firebolt. On top of that, his eyes are colored Autobot Blue.
The LG46 Targetmaster is less clear-cut. The body detail is like Peacemaker's but the headsculpt is like Recoil's. I would lean towards him being Recoil because he's colored like Recoil and is double-barreled like Recoil.

Fracas already had an update anyway, it was called Nightstick and packaged with Cyclonus because the perpetual bunglers at Marvel Productions & Sunbow mixed the two up back in the eighties:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:

Kurona wrote:We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Cue Cyberbath

We need a Bat-Signal to summon Cyberpath for this stuff.

Here you go, guys. This is the most sense I can make of it. There were so many new characters in "Rebirth" that I never really paid attention to who were the guns and heads aside for the more prominent ones. Unfortunately this reference material is found only in B/W.