Possible First Look At Transformers Kingdom Blackarachnia Alt Mode

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:For some reason, I don't remember about the earthrise leaks. From what I remember, they did a good job keeping things close to the chest. I know the first time we saw the quintesson, arcee, shuttle micromasters, scorponok and allicon were at their designated reveal events.

Initially, yes, but then things like our first complete look at Scorponok and the still rumored Sky Lynx happened and it's all been downhill from there.

Emerje

Do we know what the entirety of wave 3/4 earthrise is?

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:For some reason, I don't remember about the earthrise leaks. From what I remember, they did a good job keeping things close to the chest. I know the first time we saw the quintesson, arcee, shuttle micromasters, scorponok and allicon were at their designated reveal events.

Initially, yes, but then things like our first complete look at Scorponok and the still rumored Sky Lynx happened and it's all been downhill from there.

Emerje

Do we know what the entirety of wave 3/4 earthrise is?

Pretty much, we know wave 3, and looks like wave 4 isn't happening.
Battle Masters are the new Doublecrosser with repacks of Soundbarrier and Slitherfang.
Micros are re-release of Direct Hit and Power Punch packed with wave 1 re-packs.
Deluxe is Runamuck, Fasttrack, Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker
Voyager is Megatron and Quitesson
No new leader, so likely re-packs of waves 1 and 2.

WFC-E numberwise, Runabout's number would put him in wave 4 without any new micro or battle masters for that wave, but he could also be an exclusive if there is no wave 4 as the leakers have been indicating.

Looking at this and her bot mode we saw earlier, there are some definite ques from the masterpiece blackarachnia.

Kingdom Blackarachnia's black spider legs aren't too surprising, especially considering the alterations to Rattrap's beast mode to look more like an actual rat. Most black widow spiders have black legs to match their black head and abdomen. Occasionally, they may also include some dark brown pigmentation on part of the legs, but that's a far cry from solid brown. I can appreciate the focus on making the beast modes more true to their source material: actual animals.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Kingdom Blackarachnia's black spider legs aren't too surprising, especially considering the alterations to Rattrap's beast mode to look more like an actual rat. Most black widow spiders have black legs to match their black head and abdomen. Occasionally, they may also include some dark brown pigmentation on part of the legs, but that's a far cry from solid brown. I can appreciate the focus on making the beast modes more true to their source material: actual animals.

With the source material theoretically being pre-historic animals that may have *had any coloring and not be feathered...screen or toy accurate colors should be the priority but as long as it's a good toy that's the important thing.

I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

But I would love to see some feather on his dino mode. could add some cool looking aesthetics to him

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

But I would love to see some feather on his dino mode. could add some cool looking aesthetics to him

If it's anything like this, feathered Dinobot = hideous.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

How does a non tail dragging/non erect Jurrasic Park Trex sleep?

How ever it wants to

Wakkawakkawakka

Agreed on non feathered but turns out I'm in favor of tail draggers.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

But I would love to see some feather on his dino mode. could add some cool looking aesthetics to him

If it's anything like this, feathered Dinobot = hideous.

This is actually entertaining and somewhat cool to me

Personally, I'd rather no feathers on Dinobot and Megatron (and according to some of the leakers before everything caught fire and they had to lay low, they won't have feathers), but I'd be fine with a potential GS Grimlock from Dinobot that had the raptor head retooled a bit to be sorta like a mix between JP3 "feathered" Raptors and the "Indominus Rex" spines.

Not the perfectly accurate Raptor mode that some would want, but a decent enough compromise without having to reshell the whole thing, plus it would result in Dinobot and Grimlock looking different in beast mode, but still recognizably looking like the "theme park monsters" some people love

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

But I would love to see some feather on his dino mode. could add some cool looking aesthetics to him

If it's anything like this, feathered Dinobot = hideous.

This is actually entertaining and somewhat cool to me

I like dinosaurs as giant birds.It look hard to accept for some people.

Dinosoid in TUROK are basically the reptilian aliens.And in other fiction...

If we were getting Beast War characters all the time I think feathers would be a welcome sight for a toy or two

BUT

Since we don't I think it's best that Dinobot doesn't have feathers since it's been a long time since his last figure.

Yeah, for this go around I want show accuracy to be paramount, so no feathers or anatomical accuracy on Megatron or Dinobot please. After that? Bring on the feathered dinos, I love those. I'm still waiting on a trilobite transformer. A cambrian explosion beast warrior, like an opabinia transformer, is something that will never happen but I'd love.

But for now, the fact that they're giving us almost the whole BW season 1 cast is crazy enough.

If they wanna do feathered dino Transformers, either make all new characters or give us the Raptoricons.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:But I would love to see some feather on his dino mode. could add some cool looking aesthetics to him

If it's anything like this, feathered Dinobot = hideous.

First of all, that looks great. A little lanky in bot mode but that's because of how he's rigged, the artist admits as much in the description.

Now, I want my cartoon-accurate Dinobot, but this is also cool.

Sabrblade wrote:If they wanna do feathered dino Transformers, either make all new characters or give us the Raptoricons.

However I'm also here for these.




As far as Kingdom goes, I'm really impressed by that Blackarachnia so far. I didn't think it was possible to make her cartoon accurate but I guess she's a shellformer. Cheetor looks alright. Rattrap is nice, never was a big fan of him to begin with. I want to see that Megatron. The first figure I ever bought was Ultra Class T-Rex Megatron, I'm pleased to see what they do with him for the 25th anniversary.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I want a Dinobot with feathers, please?

No thank you. Jurassic Park dinosaurs look cool.

Honestly? I don't think Jurassic Park dinos look as cool as feathered dinos. At this point, in my mind, seeing feathers on dinos that had them actually help them feel like the real living creatures that actually existed, while the typical featherless scaly things in pop culture are these imaginary fake creatures. Feathers + realistic addition of fat, flesh, and muscle on the face, body, and limbs/tail bring dinos from being these fake monsters to actual interesting ancient life.

Unrelated, all the bipedal dinosaurs in Jurassic Park have broken wrists. Most dinosaurs' wrists faced inward, and could not rotate to face downward the way they do in Jurassic Park.

PerfectVision wrote:I like dinosaurs as giant birds.It look hard to accept for some people.

Dinosoid in TUROK are basically the reptilian aliens.And in other fiction...

And will you be as accepting in another 30 years when paleontology "discovers" more which makes what they believe now seem dated?

Just saying these are toys, no need to chase something that isn't really there.

o.supreme wrote:

PerfectVision wrote:I like dinosaurs as giant birds.It look hard to accept for some people.

Dinosoid in TUROK are basically the reptilian aliens.And in other fiction...

And will you be as accepting in another 30 years when paleontology "discovers" more which makes what they believe now seem dated?

Just saying these are toys, no need to chase something that isn't really there.

what further discovery would retroactively erase the many, many, many clear feather and proto-feather imprints we've seen (and continue to see more of) in fossils

and don't show me that Ben G. Thomas "maybe T. Rex didn't have feathers" video, because T. Rex never had anywhere close to the most concrete evidence of feathers in adulthood, compared to the many many many other species that have had incredibly solid evidence for it

I don't care about dinosaur realism. Giant lizards are cooler than giant turkeys.

Come here to talk about new BW toy. Found a debate regarding semantics of feather on dinosaur transformers toy instead.

On topic, i am definitely interested in blackarachnia. Among all fembots so far, she seems to be having the most compact bavkpack. Looking at the alt mode and robot mode, if the transformation is going the way i imagine it, she will have a hinge joint conveniently placed to be used as ab-crunch, which is a plus for me. Also, boobs as spider mouth is...interesting.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Honestly? I don't think Jurassic Park dinos look as cool as feathered dinos. At this point, in my mind, seeing feathers on dinos that had them actually help them feel like the real living creatures that actually existed, while the typical featherless scaly things in pop culture are these imaginary fake creatures.

I guess lizards don't exist.

Deadput wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Honestly? I don't think Jurassic Park dinos look as cool as feathered dinos. At this point, in my mind, seeing feathers on dinos that had them actually help them feel like the real living creatures that actually existed, while the typical featherless scaly things in pop culture are these imaginary fake creatures.

I guess lizards don't exist.

They are barely similar even the komodo dragon,crocodiles are saurians and exist since very long.

Deadput wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Honestly? I don't think Jurassic Park dinos look as cool as feathered dinos. At this point, in my mind, seeing feathers on dinos that had them actually help them feel like the real living creatures that actually existed, while the typical featherless scaly things in pop culture are these imaginary fake creatures.

I guess lizards don't exist.

That has what exactly to do with what I'm saying? Yes, real lizards are scaly, but dinosaurs as a group are not super closely related to the groups represented by modern reptiles like squamates, or even sphenodontia; even the more closely related crocodilians are still more distantly related than the actual modern descendents of dinosaurs, birds. I'm saying the dinosaurs we see in pop culture that are scaly (outside of actual scaly exceptions like Carnotaurus), often not very realistically muscled/fattened/fleshed out, have no lips, etc. are outdated depictions, and any continued use of them is an exercise in fantasy and willing rejection of science.

Sabrblade wrote:I don't care about dinosaur realism. Giant lizards are cooler than giant turkeys.

Ok, awesomebro

Burn wrote:If you want to discuss whether a particular type of dinosaur had feathers or not, go and start your own thread about it and stop derailing this one!

Yeah, I kinda got out of hand with it, sorry......

Anyway:

Hyped to see Shadow Panther, seeing how Cheetor looks like.

Speaking of Shadow Panther, who else would like him to keep his Mutant Head to distinguish him more from Cheetor?

I'm hoping we may see leaks of the other size classes, I'm interested in seeing what Primal is going to look like this time

Jeddostotle7 wrote:

Burn wrote:If you want to discuss whether a particular type of dinosaur had feathers or not, go and start your own thread about it and stop derailing this one!

Yeah, I kinda got out of hand with it, sorry......

Anyway:

Hyped to see Shadow Panther, seeing how Cheetor looks like.

He will be pink, Shadow Panthers were hairless in prehistoric times...

Now im thinking hasbro will do a pink panther crossover figure -just hoping they complete BW S1 cast in Kingdom as it's anybodys guess what comes after Kingdom (well until it's leaked after or even before the Kingdom leaks finish.

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Shadow Panther, who else would like him to keep his Mutant Head to distinguish him more from Cheetor?

With the fact Takara gave MP Shadow Panther the mutant head accessory, I could definitely see them having the mutant head as the alternate head tooling for the Cheetor mold, and giving it to Shadow Panther. I think I would prefer just a redecoed Cheetor head though, personally.

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Shadow Panther, who else would like him to keep his Mutant Head to distinguish him more from Cheetor?

I kinda wanted mutant/alt heads for all the beastwars characters that pop up in Kingdom, even those that didnt have them like ratrap. I didnt even notice the original blakc widows second head until a few weeks after having it -and she was bought many years after having Tarantulus.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Shadow Panther, who else would like him to keep his Mutant Head to distinguish him more from Cheetor?

I kinda wanted mutant/alt heads for all the beastwars characters that pop up in Kingdom, even those that didnt have them like ratrap. I didnt even notice the original blakc widows second head until a few weeks after having it -and she was bought many years after having Tarantulus.

honestly, rattraps' exposed brain and rat teeth make him seem "mutant" enough

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Shadow Panther, who else would like him to keep his Mutant Head to distinguish him more from Cheetor?

It would give me an actual reason to buy him, so I'd be down

I posted this in general discussion, but just thought I would drop it here too. Hasbro just put up the splash page for their pulse-con on September 25-26. betting that's when we will finally see the beasts officially unleashed.

https://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/hasbro-pulse-con-2020-t115105.php

https://hasbropulse.com/pages/hasbro-pulsecon-2020

Most likely I believe:-? The question is, how much will we see? And will the leakers get them first?

ZeroWolf wrote:Most likely I believe The question is, how much will we see? And will the leakers get them first?

I think they'll probably just show wave one. I'm predicting Rattrap, a second core (Optimus Prime?) Cheetor, Blackarachnia, Warpath, one other deluxe (likely a fossilizer), Primal, one other voyager (likely either G1 Inferno or Cyclonus), BW Megatron and one other leader (Galvatron or Ultra Magnus, but if I had to guess I'd say Magnus).

So, allegedly, the Titan for this line is gonna be the Ark with a Last Autobot/Vector Prime-styled robot mode.

Again, grain of salt and all that jazz.








But, if we really are getting the Last Autobot with an Ark altmode, then the Ark better well come in Marvel BLUE!!



The Last Autobot's main color isn't gold, it's BLUE!!

Damn. I was hoping more for Animated Omega Supreme vibes from an Ark-former

If the titan is the Ark and it isn't somewhat a "G1-ified" Animated Omega Supreme, then I'm fine not getting it. If it looks good and has some fun gimmicks, then maybe, but I'd rather have Animated Omega than the Last Autobot (who looks more like he should be a Jetfire retool).

Though, it kind of makes sense why they'd merge him and the Ark. They could call it the Ark and not have to explain why the figure is called the Last Autobot to people who don't care about old Marvel comics

Sabrblade wrote:So, allegedly, the Titan for this line is gonna be the Ark with a Last Autobot/Vector Prime-styled robot mode.

Again, grain of salt and all that jazz.

Back when we were all speculating what the Titan would be and our only real hits were that he was lanky and not a BW character I meant it when I said I wold love for it to be the Last Autobot! That's definitely something I would be excited about. I've wanted a Last Autobot figure since he first appeared in the comics and that's never changed. I would have to head canon it as a different Ark from the original, but if the Ark is going to turn into anyone in G1 it should be him.

Emerje

Why would we get a G1-Animated Omega Supreme when we literally just got Omega Supreme in Siege?

It doesn't make sense from a business perspective and would possibly be a shelf warmer.

If it's the Ark, it ain't going to be Omega Supreme, it will more then likely be either The Last Autobot as the Ark, Teletraan-1 as a Transformer or an entirely new character that turns into the Ark.

Deadput wrote:Why would we get a G1-Animated Omega Supreme when we literally just got Omega Supreme in Siege?

It doesn't make sense from a business perspective and would possibly be a shelf warmer.

If it's the Ark, it ain't going to be Omega Supreme, it will more then likely be either The Last Autobot as the Ark, Teletraan-1 as a Transformer or an entirely new character that turns into the Ark.

The character name doesn't necessarily need to be named Omega, the look is enough, they could give it another name, maybe an original one, but we would still know who it is.

And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

Since few rumors turn out to be entirely wrong, this titan will probably be the Last Autobot, but one can still hope they finally give Animated its titan

The leaker wasnt sure of the titans allegiance tho so it could be something crazy and far out like a Quintesson titan, I'd be cool with the bots and cons having a huge monstrosity to fight but it's pretty safe to think they would ony base a titan off of an established character/media/source.

Nah the bots need a Titan, its their turn

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

I don't know. For it to make any real sense it would have to be done in Animated style and that just isn't going to happen in Generations. I feel like too many people would disregard it as being for a young children's line without a proper companion line in stores to go with it.

Where I think this would be more successful is as a HasLab project.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

I don't know. For it to make any real sense it would have to be done in Animated style and that just isn't going to happen in Generations. I feel like too many people would disregard it as being for a young children's line without a proper companion line in stores to go with it.

Where I think this would be more successful is as a HasLab project.

Emerje

Nah, we've had our Haslab project, and it went poorly.

And you underestimate the hardcore Animated fanbase, as well as its enduring popularity. There's a reason the UK has Animated stuff every year at its TFnation, it's truly well loved.

Besides, remember the thing I said about how kingdom is finally returned to GenerationS, pretty sure as a titan many more people would realize the source and not judge it as for little kids. It's very different to make an Animated Titan compared to making a Cyberverse warrior

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

I don't know. For it to make any real sense it would have to be done in Animated style and that just isn't going to happen in Generations. I feel like too many people would disregard it as being for a young children's line without a proper companion line in stores to go with it.

Where I think this would be more successful is as a HasLab project.

Emerje

Nah, we've had our Haslab project, and it went poorly.

The fully funded and currently in-production Unicron figure went poorly?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

I don't know. For it to make any real sense it would have to be done in Animated style and that just isn't going to happen in Generations. I feel like too many people would disregard it as being for a young children's line without a proper companion line in stores to go with it.

Where I think this would be more successful is as a HasLab project.

Emerje

Nah, we've had our Haslab project, and it went poorly.

The fully funded and currently in-production Unicron figure went poorly?

They had to extend its deadline at the last minute to make sure it would get made since they didn't have enough orders by the time of the first deadline, and they really wanted it to succeed after Cookie Monster failed to meet its own quota (which was partly due to its running at the same time as Unicron). Otherwise, without that extension, Unicron would have failed to meet its own quota, and it nearly did.

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And considering an Animated-style Omega is a long time dream for many, and considering the way titans are going/selling in this line, I doubt it would shelfwarm.

I don't know. For it to make any real sense it would have to be done in Animated style and that just isn't going to happen in Generations. I feel like too many people would disregard it as being for a young children's line without a proper companion line in stores to go with it.

Where I think this would be more successful is as a HasLab project.

Emerje

Nah, we've had our Haslab project, and it went poorly.

The fully funded and currently in-production Unicron figure went poorly?

They had to extend its deadline at the last minute to make sure it would get made since they didn't have enough orders by the time of the first deadline, and they really wanted it to succeed after Cookie Monster failed to meet its own quota (which was partly due to its running at the same time as Unicron). Otherwise, without that extension, Unicron would have failed to meet its own quota, and it nearly did.

This.

Just because something succeeds doesn't mean it couldn't go poorly. If it weren't for that 6 week extension, it would not have made it, not even close. And there was so much bungling going on at the same time, with lack of info, lack of world wide shipping, lack of clarify on if pre-orders elsewhere counted, lack of any real incentives to pay that much, etc.

Not to mention TFs are like the 1 thing a Haslab project has involved so far that has such a large unofficial section. That 3P Uni threw all kinds of kinks in, and still got made, and people cancelled orders when it was revealed and then eventually released. That process made our fandom look HORRID, no joke.

So in short and on topic: No more TF Haslab projects, please. They can make a great Animated Omega Supreme Titan if they would choose to finally give us that. They can give us a great Tidal Wave of Titan or Commander size if they choose. FOC Metroplex and Cyberverse Iaconus also fit in.

And you can't say those are "obscure things few would buy" if the titan next year does end up being a Last Autobot styled figure.