Pictorial Review Titans Return Voyager Class Alpha Trion

Ok, I really can't wait for Alpha Trion. He may be my most coveted figure of the line so far. He looks awesome and I love the triple changing beast/ship/bot mode. I really like that the fists are the lower jaw and the fingers come off as teeth.

Kurona wrote:It was sarcasm, but it is actually something I have been considering - TR Megatron looks to be the best Megatron yet (for my personal tastes anyway), and if the Blitzwing redeco/retool is too similar - especially since I'd want them posed next to each other in a 'con display - then I might just have to go Generations Blitzwing.

I am personally very happy with my Thrilling 30 Blitzwing, so I won't get the TR one for him. Depending on his colors, I may just put Flywheels' head on there and make that my generations Flywheels (color depending). If the colors don't work out, I'll get Megatron (or just both, so I have voyager Prime and Megs and Leader Prime and Megs).

Agamemnon wrote:Generations Nightbeat?

This is cool. How'd you do it?

Mr Skram wrote:Eh, I think it's fine if people have legit complaints about QC and such. It lets others know of potential problems so they can make a more informed decision. Some people don't want to mess with having to fix their brand new figures and that's alright.

For Rewind's alt mode, give the boombox a try. I was inspired by someone pages and pages ago(or possibly a different thread. I couldn't dig that far back to find the exact posts)

Yep, that was us! I tried it out and then you pulled off a better version

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Apparently I missed a notification on this post and was 3 pages behind. Caught up. There's a hell of a lot of Negative Nancy's in those 3 pages. Cheer up folks! Most of the "horrible quality control" you're complaining about can be easily rectified with some scotch tape or some future floor polish. Does it suck you have to do this, yes. But if you do the quick fixes, they are really fun figures.

I got Rewind and Wheelie yesterday. Rewind has lame alt modes, but robot mode is awesome. He looks great.

Wheelie is a bit finicky with the transformation but once you get him right, he's a great alt mode that actually rolls. Also gave him the slingshot from GDO Wheelie.

I love Rewind. He is a great figure and the bot mode is perfect for me. Wheelie is also fun, but I agree the alt mode is a bit panicky, but still awesome! (totally needed that slingshot).

Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

I feel the same way, unfortunately...

Sigma Magnus wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

I feel the same way, unfortunately...

Complete opposite. I can't wait for this guy! I think he looks great. I love the spaceship mode and that face is so great.

D-Max and the boombox, okay! Sorry, I have a hard enough time remembering people's names irl, can be a bit tougher on forums.


I like Alpha Trion, but not necessarily as A3. I'd like to see who they repaint/remold him as. The samurai berserker description is great! He does look like it, but to me that's not a characteristic of Alpha Trion. I wonder if I can hold off long enough to wait for the repurposed mold, if there is one.

Is Alpha Trion supposed to transform into Parsley the Lion ?

Mr Skram wrote:I like Alpha Trion, but not necessarily as A3. I'd like to see who they repaint/remold him as. The samurai berserker description is great! He does look like it, but to me that's not a characteristic of Alpha Trion. I wonder if I can hold off long enough to wait for the repurposed mold, if there is one.

Our best guesses are Vector Prime, any Japanese lion Prime (Lio Convoy or Go Prime), or even Prime Thundertron.

Agamemnon wrote:Generations Nightbeat?

What Hasbro should've did.

Those little titan sets are nice but are poor stand-ins for the established characters. The only one that makes the concept even feel palpable is Apeface. Most of them look like generic sets were designed first, then a certain character was attached. What does a jet or tank have to do with Horri-Bull?

I guess I must've lucked out with my Skullsmasher. I haven't had any problems with parts popping off. Only once did a leg come off when transforming him. He's been standing sturdy on my desk for two weeks now. Granted, I didn't get one of the initial releases so maybe the later waves are better.

I can't wait till they arrive in the US! (and not just them but all of the others too)

Sigma Magnus wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

I feel the same way, unfortunately...

My biggest problem with the robot mode is that crotch plate. It doesn't make sense and gets in the way. Then there is the block look. What works for Zyuohger doesn't work for Transformers. I think just like the legend class chest minions this mold suffers from triple changer syndrome. In this case lion and space ship do not mix. What we are left with is a lion that looks like a brick with strange limbs and no articulation and a space ship with half a lion head on each side destroying the look. I wish Hasbro would have made a lion as one figure and a space ship as another instead of this mess. I do like how the lion head halves make up the shoulders, but that's all I like.

To everyone who likes this mold all the power to you. It's just not for me.

Bradimus wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

I feel the same way, unfortunately...

My biggest problem with the robot mode is that crotch plate. It doesn't make sense and gets in the way. Then there is the block look. What works for Zyuohger doesn't work for Transformers. I think just like the legend class chest minions this mold suffers from triple changer syndrome. In this case lion and space ship do not mix. What we are left with is a lion that looks like a brick with strange limbs and no articulation and a space ship with half a lion head on each side destroying the look. I wish Hasbro would have made a lion as one figure and a space ship as another instead of this mess. I do like how the lion head halves make up the shoulders, but that's all I like.

To everyone who likes this mold all the power to you. It's just not for me.

At least this lion mode has articulation, unlike thundertron

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr Skram wrote:I like Alpha Trion, but not necessarily as A3. I'd like to see who they repaint/remold him as. The samurai berserker description is great! He does look like it, but to me that's not a characteristic of Alpha Trion. I wonder if I can hold off long enough to wait for the repurposed mold, if there is one.

Our best guesses are Vector Prime, any Japanese lion Prime (Lio Convoy or Go Prime), or even Prime Thundertron.

Aside from Vector Prime, the rest sound like things the Club would do, or Takara, nothing mainline Hasbro. And even then Vecotr Prime doesnt make sense as a lion. Is it possible that this, along with Galvatron, could be a unique mold, as far as a mianline release?

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

I am of two minds on this toy. The robot mode rocks and I find it really cool how the ship can have such smooth sides and yet also turn into a lion. But the duality of this toy does end up hurting the alt modes. The ship ends up having beast feet on the sides and I also find it really odd why they chose not not have a tapered front. I thought the feet would connect the other way with the silver in between. I dont get why they chose the other way, it also makes his feet look weird.

And the lion ends up having a very angular rickish mody, especially the back. The front is fine but the back is all blocky with the lion legs looking way too small. Reminds me a bit of this, and not in a good way:



But overall, the robot mode is awesome and I like triple changers so I am still very interested in this.

On another note, that review makes me want to go play with my Vector Prime, easily one of the best Transformers of all time.

Bradimus wrote: a space ship with half a lion head on each side destroying the look.

But we dont see the lion head on the shapeship:



Its the flat half we see instead that doesnt have any of the lion features.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr Skram wrote:I like Alpha Trion, but not necessarily as A3. I'd like to see who they repaint/remold him as. The samurai berserker description is great! He does look like it, but to me that's not a characteristic of Alpha Trion. I wonder if I can hold off long enough to wait for the repurposed mold, if there is one.

Our best guesses are Vector Prime, any Japanese lion Prime (Lio Convoy or Go Prime), or even Prime Thundertron.

It's a bit of a stretch, but I was thinking they would use it for Victory Leo.

Dude Gatsby wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr Skram wrote:I like Alpha Trion, but not necessarily as A3. I'd like to see who they repaint/remold him as. The samurai berserker description is great! He does look like it, but to me that's not a characteristic of Alpha Trion. I wonder if I can hold off long enough to wait for the repurposed mold, if there is one.

Our best guesses are Vector Prime, any Japanese lion Prime (Lio Convoy or Go Prime), or even Prime Thundertron.

It's a bit of a stretch, but I was thinking they would use it for Victory Leo.

Hmm, that's kind of clever actually

yeah, it doesn't scream Alpha Trion to me at all. Wondering what the intended mold might be instead of A3. Maybe it's designed for one of the upcoming Predacons and/or Lio Convoy. (?)

It's odd seeing some of the Botcon fiction coming to life in the main line, though. I'll probably pick it up for that reason alone.

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

It just looks like a hot mess to me.

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote: a space ship with half a lion head on each side destroying the look.

But we dont see the lion head on the shapeship:



Its the flat half we see instead that doesnt have any of the lion features.

It looks terrible from the front, totally unbelievable as a ship, and terrible from the rear, though some people might not care about that. It also looks pretty bad from the side (the angle you are sharing in the picture) as the lion legs are clearly visible.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Ugh, I really want to like Alpha Trion. But I can't. The proportions of the robot mode look off to me and the altmodes aren't anything to write home about. Does anybody else have a similar opinion?

It just looks like a hot mess to me.

And that about sums it up.

Sorry, there is no winning me over with this mold. But I won't tell anyone who likes it not to. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Say what you will about the figure, but no one can deny that that sword is absolutely glorious!

gothsaurus wrote:yeah, it doesn't scream Alpha Trion to me at all. Wondering what the intended mold might be instead of A3. Maybe it's designed for one of the upcoming Predacons and/or Lio Convoy.

My guess is onyx prime (the beastformer prime) and if that's the case I'll pass. I have car robots/rid Megatron as onyx in my 13 primes collection.

I wonder if TR Fastlane is gonna be another Blurr remould ?

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:[Snip some stuff]

Agamemnon wrote:Generations Nightbeat?

[Snip some pics]

This is cool. How'd you do it?

The link goes to the customization thread. It was actually pretty easy. Just disassemble Generations Nightbeat's chest and pop out the existing head (on a mushroom peg). The Titan Masters just sit in there unless some paper/card stock (or adhesive, I suppose) is used.

And thanks!

Cobotron wrote:Say what you will about the figure, but no one can deny that that sword is absolutely glorious!

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You sound like Benscollectables.

Bradimus wrote:It looks terrible from the front, totally unbelievable as a ship, and terrible from the rear, though some people might not care about that. It also looks pretty bad from the side (the angle you are sharing in the picture) as the lion legs are clearly visible.

I knew about the legs, I pointed them out earlier, but you said we could see the lion head halves on the ship mode and I just wanted to point out that we dont. Or do we? Becasue I dont see the features of the lion head in the ship mode.

gothsaurus wrote:It's odd seeing some of the Botcon fiction coming to life in the main line, though. I'll probably pick it up for that reason alone.

But I think those botcon references make him Alpha Trion and make him the character this mold was meant for. Alpha Trion didnt have an alt mode in G1, but the botcon toys (from different companies throughout the years) made him a Lion and a Star Destroyer type spaceship, so this toy merges those two ideas. I wont say it doesnt do it well, but all I mean is that Alpha Trion fits these alt modes as an hmage better than any other character which would turn into either a ship or a lion.

I'm not sure if anyone's pointed this out yet but I think I've figured out why the lion has a unicorn horn.
They're only there to be the spikes on his shoulder pads.

... seeing bots like Titanium Soundwave or even original Fort Max head (with too-short legs) bothers me a lot. Bots with too short legs are the worst.

I was really pleased to find they made the new Max head where part of the face folds into feet to extend his legs and correct his proportion. Nice touch.

william-james88 wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:It's odd seeing some of the Botcon fiction coming to life in the main line, though. I'll probably pick it up for that reason alone.

But I think those botcon references make him Alpha Trion and make him the character this mold was meant for. Alpha Trion didnt have an alt mode in G1, but the botcon toys (from different companies throughout the years) made him a Lion and a Star Destroyer type spaceship, so this toy merges those two ideas. I wont say it doesnt do it well, but all I mean is that Alpha Trion fits these alt modes as an hmage better than any other character which would turn into either a ship or a lion.

The only characters I could see being made out of this mold are Vector Prime, and KINDA a Beast Wars 2 Optimus Primal. The two head halves on the arms don't really make sense for Optimus though, since BW II Primal had the head on ONE shoulder.

SillySpringer wrote:The only characters I could see being made out of this mold are Vector Prime, and KINDA a Beast Wars 2 Optimus Primal. The two head halves on the arms don't really make sense for Optimus though, since BW II Primal had the head on ONE shoulder.

Thunderton and Liobreaker had the robot head on their chest and that didnt stop them from just turning them into that character.


Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Leo Prime (Lio Convoy) Gallery


Transformers Arms Micron Leo Prime Gallery

I can safely say that the more and more of Alpha Trion, the less and less urge I have to pick him up.

william-james88 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:The only characters I could see being made out of this mold are Vector Prime, and KINDA a Beast Wars 2 Optimus Primal. The two head halves on the arms don't really make sense for Optimus though, since BW II Primal had the head on ONE shoulder.

Thunderton and Liobreaker had the robot head on their chest and that didnt stop them from just turning them into that character.

Transformers Arms Micron Leo Prime Gallery

I could dig a Thundertron though.

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote:It looks terrible from the front, totally unbelievable as a ship, and terrible from the rear, though some people might not care about that. It also looks pretty bad from the side (the angle you are sharing in the picture) as the lion legs are clearly visible.

I knew about the legs, I pointed them out earlier, but you said we could see the lion head halves on the ship mode and I just wanted to point out that we dont. Or do we? Becasue I dont see the features of the lion head in the ship mode.

Fair enough, please allow me to clarify: I saw Chefatron's video review and got a very good look at both alt modes and the ship mode loses me with the robot arms (and lion head halves though not fully visible in and of themselves) just sticking out on the sides. It's a very poor transformation that just doesn't work. I do wish it did work because I would love to have an Alpha Trion figure but for whatever reason this figure just doesn't work as a triple changer. Maybe I'd give the lion mode more credit if the cockpit was integrated into the body instead of sticking out on top like a bad ZOID design and there was proper beast mode articulation.

william-james88 wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:It's odd seeing some of the Botcon fiction coming to life in the main line, though. I'll probably pick it up for that reason alone.

But I think those botcon references make him Alpha Trion and make him the character this mold was meant for. Alpha Trion didnt have an alt mode in G1, but the botcon toys (from different companies throughout the years) made him a Lion and a Star Destroyer type spaceship, so this toy merges those two ideas. I wont say it doesnt do it well, but all I mean is that Alpha Trion fits these alt modes as an hmage better than any other character which would turn into either a ship or a lion.

I agree with the idea fitting Alpha Trion, but I cannot overlook the terrible interfering crotch plate, poor cockpit integration in beast mode, and poor execution of space ship mode. I will readily admit sometimes one mode of a triple changer needs to be given some slack (like TR Astrotrain's strange Build Ressha train homage which I kind of like but would not if I had not seen and enjoyed Toqger), and I think the alt mode that could and should have worked well is space ship, but I can't give slack to both modes and a problem with the robot design. That's a negative hat trick in my book.

LE0KING wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:yeah, it doesn't scream Alpha Trion to me at all. Wondering what the intended mold might be instead of A3. Maybe it's designed for one of the upcoming Predacons and/or Lio Convoy.

My guess is onyx prime (the beastformer prime) and if that's the case I'll pass. I have car robots/rid Megatron as onyx in my 13 primes collection.

It looks to me like Vector Prime is the primary intended retool as the titan master looks like Safeguard and the chest and crotch plate design screams Vector Prime from Transformers Cybertron. Plus he comes with that beautiful sword. I also expect a Lio Convoy / Leo Prime retool as well.

What I don't get are the horns that pop up alongside the head and how they work with Vector Prime or Lio Convoy. They do look cool but a bit sinister to me.

Cobotron wrote:Say what you will about the figure, but no one can deny that that sword is absolutely glorious!

Best sword we've gotten in some time.

I just meant the notion of A3 being a purple lion started at Botcon and has crept its way out. As to whether that character is the G1 guy or some hybrid new character or whatever... I don't want to be in the middle of that debate. heh.

Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

Agamemnon wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:[Snip some stuff]

Agamemnon wrote:Generations Nightbeat?

[Snip some pics]

This is cool. How'd you do it?

The link goes to the customization thread. It was actually pretty easy. Just disassemble Generations Nightbeat's chest and pop out the existing head (on a mushroom peg). The Titan Masters just sit in there unless some paper/card stock (or adhesive, I suppose) is used.

And thanks!

Sweet! Thanks!

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

SillySpringer wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

But knowing Hasbro, they'll for something a little more obscure from '88-'89, like Pretender Beast Carnivac:


Transformers G1 1988 Carnivac Gallery

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

But knowing Hasbro, they'll for something a little more obscure from '88-'89, like Pretender Beast Carnivac.

I'd be ok with that choice

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

But knowing Hasbro, they'll for something a little more obscure from '88-'89, like Pretender Beast Carnivac.

That seems more like a TFSS type thing though.

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

But knowing Hasbro, they'll for something a little more obscure from '88-'89, like Pretender Beast Carnivac.

That seems more like a TFSS type thing though.

But Hasbro has now pulled some stuff out from some very scarce sources, such as Lione. That is a deep find homage, and Carnivac is far more known than Lione

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Does anyone else want a Cheetor retool out of Wolfwire?

That WOULD be kinda cool.

But knowing Hasbro, they'll for something a little more obscure from '88-'89, like Pretender Beast Carnivac.

That seems more like a TFSS type thing though.

But Hasbro has now pulled some stuff out from some very scarce sources, such as Lione. That is a deep find homage, and Carnivac is far more known than Lione

Very true.

Not to mention that of the obscure post-cartoon characters that Marvel used and made popular, Carnivac is pretty up there with the likes of Bludgeon, Nightbeat and Thunderwing. Plus they're apparently fine with making Krok and Quake...

I'd be very happy with a Carnivac honestly.

I'm still waiting for someone to make an Octus.

Decepticon Stryker wrote:I'm still waiting for someone to male an Octus.

I know people can be uncomfortable with going to companies outside HasTak for Transformers; but if you're fine with third parties Character keeps making some really great Octus toys.

On the topic of repaints for A3 I think the mold would look better as Thundertron but then again I could just get the original toy, and that one looks better to me. I wish the Botcon Alpha Trizer wasn't so expensive. That mold fits Alpha Trion as warrior much better in my eyes. It looks wise, regal, powerful, yet elegant. This new one just seems a little too barbaric, beserkerish, and clunky.

Kurona wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:I'm still waiting for someone to male an Octus.

I know people can be uncomfortable with going to companies outside HasTak for Transformers; but if you're fine with third parties Character keeps making some really great Octus toys.

Oh I have no problem with Character, I just want a Dalek that transforms into Octus.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But Hasbro has now pulled some stuff out from some very scarce sources, such as Lione. That is a deep find homage, and Carnivac is far more known than Lione

While true, I'd like to point out that some characters won't be seeing full fledged deluxe releases (ex. the rumored Repugnus Titan Master, a character who fully deserves a deluxe figure to go with Doublecross). Like, a Carnivac Titan Master figure, I could imagine is as a Skytread/Flywheels repaint.

SureShot18 wrote:On the topic of repaints for A3 I think the mold would look better as Thundertron but then again I could just get the original toy, and that one looks better to me. I wish the Botcon Alpha Trizer wasn't so expensive. That mold fits Alpha Trion as warrior much better in my eyes. It looks wise, regal, powerful, yet elegant. This new one just seems a little too barbaric, beserkerish, and clunky.

I'm with you in full agreement, the slight trench coat look of the Thundertron mold does wonders for Alpha Trizer. This guy though...if they were doing a Viking/medieval theme of TF releases, I could see this as A3, but it's too barbaric for such an elderly transformer (Yeah, I know, look at Galvy...).

Here's hoping that he's retooled and repainted as either Thundertron, Lio Convoy, or Leobreaker (I liked his all gold look, sue me)

Yeah, I wouldn't want this Alpha Trion mold as Thundertron. I like the Prime mold quite well enough for that. I'm not sold on this look for A3, but knowing myself I'll probably pick it up anyway if I see it in stores.

Couldn't this be a younger Alpha Trion? It does look like he has a moustache and not a full on beard yet.

TR Alpha Trion is VERY "PowerRanger-esque". This is a design that is very ackward and all the modes are iffy at best. Still, I WILL buy that odd UFO. This derpy Transformers look like a ton of fun!

-Kanrabat- wrote:TR Alpha Trion is VERY "PowerRanger-esque". This is a design that is very ackward and all the modes are iffy at best. Still, I WILL buy that odd UFO. This derpy Transformers look like a ton of fun!

I can't decide whether to say "Go Go Alpha Trion" or "Derpformers"