New Pictures From Transformers War For Cybertron: Siege Display at #NYCC: Flywheels, Shockwave, Starscream, Cassettes, More

william-james88 wrote:Soundwave: The **** am I looking at with the alt mode? I have liked most of the alt modes for Soundwave so far but this one just doesnt work for me. It looks like a fat version of Alpha Trion's spaceship mode (same transformation too). It just feels like the least impressive alt mode that could have been done with that boxy body. Robot mode looks good though.

Yeah, what the heck is that supposed to be. Looks like the couldn't come up with a convincing spaceship mode from the boxy Soundwave look. Wonder if he'll have an unofficial boombox mode.

william-james88 wrote:Shockwave: I knew this was coming but what I didnt predict was how useless that extra stuff would be. I dont need it and I hope that voyager at least turns into something on its own. I do not likethe idea of paying more for something I dont need. And it is super weird that his backpack is made up of other shockwave parts. Robot mode looks good though and I guess my Cyberverse Ultra's stay on my shelf will be short lived.

Shockwave looks pretty good. As to the extra backpack, If I were a betting man, I'd say the back pac k can be used to make something else besides the skateboard. Much like Sixshot's "submarine" mode you know. A mode that can't actually be mentioned, but the parts there can be configured to make the space ship look like it. Wink..Wink.. nudge...nudge...

william-james88 wrote:Reflector: Super puzzling as to the size. As far as I know there are no legends class toys in this line, so he would be a deluxe, but that sounds too big. Dont know. Smart execution though, probably the best of the bunch here.

Reflector is supper unexpected. Did we know about him? I don;t think he was ever leaked or suggested before.

It also appears to be comprised of 3 robots.

So, 3 smallish deluxes? Maybe in the vein of the Titans Return clones?


Everything else looks o.k. Good looking Megs. Good looking Starscream Tetra Jet. Looking forward to a full Omega Supreme reveal.

So, updated list of purchases:
Bought:
Magnus
Shockwave
Soundwave
Cog
Flywheels
Brunt
Reflector

Possible purchases:
Prime
2 more Reflectors
A few Micromasters and Battlemasters

Pass: Everything else

Questworld12 wrote:Reflector looks so good!
I still don't know what Soundwave transforms into but I will probably buy it.

Honestly, I like soundwave's alt mode. It looks like an armored cargo freighter or tug vehicle of some sort. Starscream is the one I'm most disappointed by here. He looks great in robot mode, and decent in jet mode... but he's just earth starscream wearing a folded up tetrajet on his back.

Am I the only one who want to see this Megatron mold reused for someone else? Because it looks like a fairly solid, not-too-H-shaped Cybertronian Tank mode.

o.supreme wrote:I guess I always just interpreted the Guardian Robots/ Sentinels differently. Not unlike Sentinels in an X-Men comic. Sure they are Big & Strong, but with some effort a strong Decepticon like Megatron, Shockwave, or maybe even Starscream (if he was stealthy enough) could take one down. But Omega Supreme is on a whole other level, Being the only sentient one with a spark, and probably 100X stronger than any average Guardian/Sentinel.

I don't recall in any fiction the Decepticons fearing the Sentinels in general like they actually feared Omega Supreme.

If I recall I believe the episode War Dawn might shed some light on decepticon / omega sentinel relations.
Chat between the seekers

Brunt looks pretty cool, he's like a tank variant of the Prime Vehicons. I may buy a few Brunts and army-build them.

Munkky wrote:Brunt looks pretty cool, he's like a tank variant of the Prime Vehicons. I may buy a few Brunts and army-build them.

I know, right? He just seems like a decent army-builder of faceless purple baddies: the ideal kind of Decepticon expendable mook.

That Megatron looks great. Oh heck yes.

I will get that Shockwave but I am not sold on the armored look.

Soundwave looks awes9me, buy its not an awesome enough alt mode to replace the Mq9 Reaper TF prime Soundwave. Sorry.

Reflector will depend on availability. I love it abd the integration, but I think if I uave to work at it to get them I am happy enough with the Botcon set for no more than I use them.

Starscream still does not make me want to replace a full set of Seekers with that, bdut so will probably buy at least one iteration of the mold cause it looks fun

Now these were well worth the wait. Shockwave's robot mode is pretty intimidating with those extra arms, Starscream and Laserbeak resembling their G1 cybertronian modes is great, and Flywheels was a nice surprise.

bluecatcinema wrote:Now these were well worth the wait. Shockwave's robot mode is pretty intimidating with those extra arms, Starscream and Laserbeak resembling their G1 cybertronian modes is great, and Flywheels was a nice surprise.

Is it really a surprise after we just got Battletrap last line?

Overcracker wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Soundwave: The **** am I looking at with the alt mode? I have liked most of the alt modes for Soundwave so far but this one just doesnt work for me. It looks like a fat version of Alpha Trion's spaceship mode (same transformation too). It just feels like the least impressive alt mode that could have been done with that boxy body. Robot mode looks good though.

Yeah, what the heck is that supposed to be. Looks like the couldn't come up with a convincing spaceship mode from the boxy Soundwave look. Wonder if he'll have an unofficial boombox mode.

Space barge for toting cassettebots around

It took a few for me to warm up to Soundwave's alt-mode, but it fits logically and aesthetically. Bot mode is all kinds of awesome He and the cassettebots are BoS.

To be honest, there isn't much here I don't like.

Also, Flywheels big ass feet

As to Soundwave and his alt mode, it also looks like he can be transformed to look like a Cybertronia light-post, like in the original cartoon.

I'm hoping we can get some of Soundwave's minions alone so they can get reprolabelled and/or customized into his more obscure cassettes.

I just hope Brunt is somewhat compatible with TR trypticon, as in the cannon can peg onto trypticon's chest. I'll probably still be buying him anyway. I'll also will be buying ravage and laserbeak to replace the lackluster TR versions.
Shockwave in neo zeong cosplay is a must.

Thumbs up to Megatron, Starscream, Laserbeak and probably Reflector, thumbs down to the rest. I'd rather see Soundwave be a lamppost than what his alt mode is. And Shockwave looks just...odd.

Skritz wrote:I'm hoping we can get some of Soundwave's minions alone so they can get reprolabelled and/or customized into his more obscure cassettes.

I think they said they are being sold as a two pack separate from their boss. I'm hoping for a Frumble two pack as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:... I'd rather see Soundwave be a lamppost than what his alt mode is. ...

If we stand him on his barge "nose" can he be that lamp post?

I'm definitely going to get Starscream, and I'll probably get all of the '84 seekers to finish out the lineup. Even if they do coneheads, I might just rely on the old Classics mold.

It's pretty exciting that Siege plus the other WfC lines may give us the entire MTMTE pilot in a unified visual design. I never imagined that they would give us Reflector.

So I was thinking, what's going suck more: buying three deluxe Reflectors or finding three deluxe Reflectors? I'm hoping they pack one in each wave so I can spread those purchases out.

Brunt looks like one of those Centurion Droids from one of the comics.

Hoooooooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!

Updating my sales thread soon

Okay, here's my list:

Definite Buys
Shockwave (even though I hate paying Leader price for likely only using the Voyager potion)
Reflector x3 (assuming I can find enough)
Flywheels, possibly 2 if he is cross compatible with Battletrap so I can make Battlewheels and Flytrap
Brunt - Awesomeness
Almost Forgot Omega Supreme, no way I'm passing on a titan

On the Fence
Megatron (looks awesome, but I already have CW and TR megs and like them both)
Starscream (If I do, then I want a minimum of the main 3, otherwise, I'm fine with the CW versions)

No Thanks
Soundswave - bot mode looks awesome, then I saw the alt mode, I was still on the fence, then I saw...
Lazerbeak - man, what an ugly head and 1 side of the cassette looks terrible
Ravage - looks decent, but since he's sold with Lazerbeak, it will be a no for me.
To me those 3 are either bought together or passed on together, there is no in between. Considering I just finished the TR main cassettes with Frenzy, I'm kind of happy to pass on this one. I don't want to wait another 2 years to finish off the cassettes.

This is the first line since I got back into collecting (T30) that I'm finally being picky and choosy with. My wallet really appreciates this, and I actually do as well.

I have my Titans Return Megatron deco'ed as Lost Light's Autobot Megatron (got a face replacement too). I might get this Megatron so they can duke it out. And throw in TR Galvatron to the fight just to make sure they're all confused.

I spy with my little eye, someone who looks suspiciously like G1 Storm Cloud...

To be honest, the thing I want the most out of the whole Siege reveal? That display setting!!! Seriously, I'd drop like $200 on that in a heartbeat.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:To be honest, the thing I want the most out of the whole Siege reveal? That display setting!!! Seriously, I'd drop like $200 on that in a heartbeat.

My guess is that it's hand made as it resemble the kind of custom terrain you'd see for a Warhammer 40 000 table.

Skritz wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:To be honest, the thing I want the most out of the whole Siege reveal? That display setting!!! Seriously, I'd drop like $200 on that in a heartbeat.

My guess is that it's hand made as it resemble the kind of custom terrain you'd see for a Warhammer 40 000 table.

Warden makes them himself, apparently!

You know what option and/or modification would make 'Super Shockwave' better? If those two extra arms bad some way of folding the guns away to expose 5mm ports to add weaponizer guns and battlemasters.

I'm hoping to go the other direction and give his armor parts to other bots as additional weaponry. His "shoes" look like could be mounted on arms or shoulders, and his backpack might be able to be broken up into sections and transferrable.

I haven't seen this ability mentioned anywhere, and we know Magnus's armor won't work on Optimus, so this could be a pipe dream.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm hoping to go the other direction and give his armor parts to other bots as additional weaponry. His "shoes" look like could be mounted on arms or shoulders, and his backpack might be able to be broken up into sections and transferrable.

I haven't seen this ability mentioned anywhere, and we know Magnus's armor won't work on Optimus, so this could be a pipe dream.

Soundwave's design seems less like 'armor' like Magnus and more like a built-in-and-included Weaponizer without a robot mode.

Is it just me or does that Shockwave look to actually be cast? It doesn't look as glossy as the others at least to me.

think i've gone off megatron. I don't like that head sculpt. Much happier with the scaled down CW head I've got on my Titans Return Megs.

Shockwave still bugs me. I like the core figure and he's a nice G1 Shocky with tons of extra detail. Just..that silly backpack that absolutely ruins the look of him when he's wearing it and since it makes him leader class it likely puts me right out of my price range and all i wanted to do was have a g1-esque shocky to do a ARE ALL DEAD display piece with. i could buy the KO of the MP cheaper than a leader class figure

AcademyofDrX wrote:(11/4/18)
AAARGH why did I just get TR Soundwave and all the TR minions

AcademyofDrX wrote:(10/30/18)
I'm not expecting Soundwave's minions to look like cassettes since they doesn't fit with the Cybertron theme and we just got the core group in similar modes in TR.

Found the problem, don't listen to randos everybody

Interesting alt mode for Soundwave almost like a armored transport to carry his cassette troops, definitely better than a lamp post

Well, having now seen the reveals here, color me sort of flat.

There is some exciting stuff here, but also a lot of... ugh.

We'll start small: I love me some Micromasters, cool!

Ravage doesn't look overly good, and it kinda sucks that the minions for Soundwave are going to take up precious battlemaster/micromaster space, whichever price point they well at. Though I would not mind the Frumble pair as I didn't get those ones from TR.

Flywheels! You're looking good buddy! and a pleasant Brunt and Reflector surprise! I really wish Reflector was smaller though, so I don't need to get 3 deluxes to complete his camera mode. Brunt is spectacular. And with that, we have 2 confirmed and 1 more rumored Titan partner!

The rest? Wow, duds. Megs is the one that looks the best, and I love the sword and alt mode, but the figure there looks really flat and I don't think it really has enough battle damage. It's sort of lame for what I was hoping for. If anything, he will be the 1 voyager I buy from the line though.

Soundwave has made the decision to get his Bee movie counterpart so easy. He looks not very good. The chest seems really large, and that alt mode is so half-assed. Make him a space boombox or armored car, not that.

That Tetrajet is pathetic. Nope.

Shockwave... what the hell. There is no reason to make him a leader. His armor is basically most of himself a 2nd time, and it really only works in combined alt mode. And that's even if there is an uncombined alt mode for him. It's really not impressive, more like a weaponizer that is missing a big chunk of robot mode. That is not what I was hoping for, and it makes me extremely happy he didn't win the fan vote if this is what we're getting.

So yeah, the big names here are really flat and on a scale of one to suck are between "blah" and "hell yeah they suck"

At least the smaller names kick ass

HasTak, what are you doing to me? All this show-accuracy.. I don't have space for everything. Not to mention the price adds up. (And look at that Cybertron-style Laserbeak!)

Hmm, already have the four core Decepticons in MP form.. so I'm undecided, kind of wish it were Galvatron instead of Megatron, because he'd go better on the CHUG/Rebirth shelf.

Flywheels is something I was looking forward to, and I'm that glad they went with the original Duocon gimmick (otherwise it's two individual robots that combine.. rather than one Transformer that splits his consciousness between two vehicles.) And that purple tank could be interesting. And of course Reflector (wonder if there's an MP edition coming soon.)

Ah, want them all. Still strongly dislike the dirt and sratches though.

Camera mode requires 3 Reflector figures -- each sold separately.
















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Alright, I finally have time to submit my thoughts on all of this. I'm so glad the diorama had additional reveals, as if all we got were those first pictures, I would have been annoyed and disappointed. Not that the figures aren't good or anything, but those first characters they showed were the ones they can barely make a TF toyline without Decepticon-wise, that's not really surprising or all that interesting anymore.

But ignoring that, thoughts on the individual figures:
Megatron: The mold looks really good, like the use of the tank cannon to form the weapons, and the tank mode itself is very imposing, but I really don't need a new Megatron, so I'll pass unless they reuse the mold as someone I am interested in.
Starscream: Basically the same reaction. I'm down for tetra jets, but I don't need a Starscream or a Skywarp, and I don't have any interest or attachment regarding Thundercracker, so I will only be getting it if they make more than just the base 3 Seekers or if something happens to make me want Thundercracker.
Soundwave:...eh. Don't need a new Soundwave, and the alt mode doesn't really look like anything, so easy pass. He does have LIGHT PIPING though, as does Starscream it looks like, which is a welcome return.
Shockwave: I see he's been time-traveling again, except now he made armor out of himself instead of Onyx. The alt mode looks really cool, and the dedicated G1ers can absolutely get a gun submarine mode from that, but I'm not entirely sold on the multi-armed robot mode, and I don't need a new Shockwave anyway, so tentative pass.
Refraktor: Here's where it gets interesting. This was unexpected, given the nature of this guy/guys, but I think they executed it in the best way possible and I want at least one. I like that they made it so they can still do the combining thing, but also that you can just buy one and have him still have an alt mode. Plus, small name/less famous Cons have been really attracting my attention lately, and I think I like his new name better than the original, so I'm sold.
Flywheels Skytread: Okay, this is a mixed bag. He looks great, and he comes with actual guns unlike Battletrap, which I am happy about. What I don't like though is the talk of him possibly not having separate bot modes like Battletrap. I'm still excited to get him, but I will not be convinced that he doesn't split into Skywheels and Flytread until I have him in-hand.
Brunt: Yes, instant buy. Evil Weaponizer, check, purple, check, big-ass gun/tank mode, check, cool head sculpt and bot design, check, Vehicon vibes, check. He hits everything I wanted and criteria I didn't know I was looking for until I saw him.
Micromasters: Still not interested in any Micromasters I've seen yet, although I might get my girlfriend the Cassette two-pack as plane friends to help with her flight anxiety (she took my Energon Command Ravage on her last trip and it helped a bunch)
Blowpipe: Meh, no.

So overall, at least one Refraktor, Skytread, Brunt, future Seekers hopefully, and maybe cassettes are now on the purchase list, and Siege continues to be a interesting mixed bag of a line.

Oh, and I guess we now know what that leaked Spy Patrol team name was about.

Hasbro, I'll admit. You briefly had me looking at this new toyline, but so far, I've only actually looked at 9 or 10 of the figures revealed and thought "Wow, I like that". Currently my list is at

Buy if I can:
Ultra Magnus
Lionizer
Cog
Brunt
All the Autobot Micromasters
Lazerbeak and Ravage

Maybe:
Shockwave -Love the armor idea. But I'm not sold on the dark purple colors. Gonna wait for in hand images before deciding
Reflector -Not sold on having to buy three of the same figure. If I can find all three at a discount that makes them $10 each, I'll buy
Omega Supreme -Not much revealed other than he's the titan. I've never been a fan of the idea of taking apart a Transformer just to switch him between modes. But if he has a decent robot mode and hopefully some kind of spaceship mode like the original WFC game version, then I'll buy
Flywheels- Hate that they got rid of the individual robot modes for the vehicles. I loved the fact that I could pretend Battletrap got an upgrade that allowed him to have robot modes for his components and utilize them both similar to how he uses the vehicle modes already, just with a bit more versatility. I might pick him up just for Battlewheels and Flytrap. As is though I'm really disappointed with him

Not planning to buy
The rest of them. They all look too G1 for me. I get that that's this line's aesthetic and people love anything G1, but personally I never cared for the blocky designs and it annoys me how they clearly look like they should have their Earth modes but don't. Starscream being the particular highlight of this. And I get that it was like that in More Than Meets the Eye, but I preferred how Animated did it in a way that you recognized the character immediately, but they still looked different to their Earth bodies. Oh well, at least my wallet won't die as quickly as it did with the previous lines

Hello. Just thought I’d share my two cents. Shockwave looks awesome. Laserbeak is cool. Brunt has a sweet robot mode now. Someday, I will paint Battleslash, Roadtrap, and Skyttead to be the Combaticons. I was really hoping for Skytread to be made in the same style as Battletrap for that to work, and it looks like he is. Oh, right. The little robot modes.

I really hope we get a reprolabel set to turn Brunt into Strika. I'd hope for a straight up redeco (maybe with a new head) but that's very unlikely.

Hey, we actually got an Autobot revealed today, too.

Autobot N wrote:Hey, we actually got an Autobot revealed today, too.

Red alert.png

So that isn't a digibash? Can't say I'm super excited for Red Alert (the Sideswipe mold isn't really my thing so far) but Brunt's weapons mode looks really killer. Giant over-the-shoulder fuck you cannon really does it!

Skritz wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Hey, we actually got an Autobot revealed today, too.

Red alert.png

So that isn't a digibash? Can't say I'm super excited for Red Alert (the Sideswipe mold isn't really my thing so far) but Brunt's weapons mode looks really killer. Giant over-the-shoulder **** you cannon really does it!

Nah, looks too good to be a digibash. Besides, it was included with official images of Brunt, so I doubt that's the case (This is where I found it, by the way).

Guys, I figured it out.

Shockwave's alt mode is the Nemesis!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Guys, I figured it out.

Shockwave's alt mode is the Nemesis!

I'm not saying your wrong, but convince me


so I can join in on the fun

Upon further review, I'm changing my mind on Shockwave and Soundwave. I don't care for Soundwave's alt mode, but I'm warming up to the bot mode, despite the hollow forearms. And Shockwave looks good in robot mode without all the kibble, and his space cannon mode is tolerable, even though it looks like it's upside down. His chest should be pointing down. And even though I never cared for the character, I'm intrigued to see the rest of Omega Supreme. Just like Trypticon, the G1 toy was an utter piece of shit, so he's due a good figure.

carytheone wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Guys, I figured it out.

Shockwave's alt mode is the Nemesis!

I'm not saying your wrong, but convince me


so I can join in on the fun

So here is Shockwave:



And here is the Nemesis:



So, first things first, it's purple. we got a tall command tower towards the back in similar positions. We got vertical stabilizers on the wings, and you can say his extra guns could be the vertical stabilizers on the bottom of the nemesis. Long nose forwards on both. With the battlemaster in that shot, you could have Shockwave firing (using the firing effects) broadsides at the Ark, or even pretend you have the boarding beams.

It sort of looks like it, not perfect, but it's basically a miniature Nemesis.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:It sort of looks like it, not perfect, but it's basically a miniature Nemesis.

Ah yes, I see what you're getting at. The back end looks the part but the front is just too blunt and Shockwave like. Shockysis? Nemwave? Meh...

I really dig the combined alt-mode, but not so much the combined bot mode. Looks fun to fiddle with, but ultimately will stay off or in space jet ski mode.