New Packaging Image for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Sideswipe

o.supreme wrote:Were there trading cards in the T30 line?

o.supreme wrote:Were there trading cards in the T30 line? It may have been just a part of the Prime Wars Trilogy. I kind of wish in the US we would have got them instead of the pack-in comics on the deluxes from wave 2 on. I happen to get some of the deluxe trading cards because the some of the deluxes I got happened to be from non-US markets. I wasn't trying to collect them all or anything, but my son thought they were neat .

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gods, some of the collector cards from Combiner Wars... I had a look at scans of them on a site, and a number of them are completely wrong when it comes to the art. Optimus Prime, Hot Spot, Motormaster, and Drag Strip are some of the big offenders

Cyberpath wrote:The simpler the package the better as far as I'm concerned. Like, don't even put artwork on it. Makes it easier to throw away.

Skritz wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.
-The figures do seem to be a bit less cheap than what we got during early T30 and they aren't engineering one mold to be 5-6 figures. They are using paint and not crappy stickers this time around.
That said yes, the price hike is annoying but I doubt it is purely packaging. It is also possible Hasbro is testing out the market for trying to have Generations appeal even more to older collectors, hence trying to market this as a more high end product with paint apps, more articulation (a lot of at least partial ankle tilt in Siege so far) and more accessories, especially after the drought of anything more complex than a solid plastic slab in TR or a crappy baby-carrier combiner hand in POTP.

I think they're honestly trying to make a more 'high end collectible' line while at the same time dealing with money issues. We forget that, technically speaking, Generations is purely optional. It does not get advertisement with a cartoon and it definitely appeal more to older fans.

Skritz wrote:
I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.

ZeroWolf wrote:Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Catching the eye of customers in the stores. It has ALWAYS served that function in Transformers.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

We have not, Hasbro has not disclosed that info (as far as I know).

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Seriously, did you people forget about the fact that these figures are coming with more accessories (and more complex accessories) than they've had in a while, while still being the same size as most prior Generations deluxes? And the paint detailing (even going by the stock photos and not the toy show prototypes)? Sheesh!

Skritz wrote:The POTP accesories, however, were mostly the same mold or a variation of the same engineering. Only the details on the plastic chunk changed and even then there's only 2-3 variations. Even less for feet.

Skritz wrote:Shockwave still looks like some late-series bad guy mobile suit from some older Gundam series. Not that it's a bad thing.

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:The POTP accesories, however, were mostly the same mold or a variation of the same engineering. Only the details on the plastic chunk changed and even then there's only 2-3 variations. Even less for feet.

All my potp guns for deluxes look unique to me. Were they not for the most part?

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:
I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.

This is inconsequential and should be eradicated from our collective minds as a possible reason.

What you see in store shelves means NOTHING to a supplier. It is the retailer's problem if something shelfwarms, Hasbro already got all the money for those shelwarming toys. The more toys you see, the more money Hasbro got.

What is directly related, instead, is unsold product from hasbro proper, so product that retailers chose not to buy. And there is no way to know that unless Hasbro tells us directly, which they did.

They (Brian Goldner) specifically said that Star Wars toys were not all bought by retailers, but all the TLK toys made for retailers were bought by these retailers. The output matched the demand.

Which is why Transformers got a boost as a toyline with more product output now than ever before. We currently have 4 simulataneous lines of constant product destined to the same shelfspace. So Hasbro's bottom line is in no way hurt by Transformers related properties at the moment, its why they are making more.

ZeroWolf wrote:Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

We have not, Hasbro has not disclosed that info (as far as I know).

fenrir72 wrote:Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Skritz wrote:Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Skritz wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Well, I know what would 'lose' me: if after Siege we just get more and more remake of the same characters over and over. Right now it's a good balance but, I swear, if we get another Optimus and Megatron that isn't something interesting and unique or, worse, a new Bumblebee...

Well the thing about that is it has already been confirmed that each part of WFC will have its own major versions of the leader figures. However between statements from Warden about showing us some love for Armada and the fact that it wouldn't make any sense to make basic versions of them three years in a row, I think it is more likely that they will do something more interesting or unique. Or, at the very least, based on a different design (I know I'd like a new Armada Optimus)

Wireless_Phantom wrote:

Skritz wrote:Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Wireless_Phantom wrote:

Skritz wrote:Let's just hope that price hike ain't too painful. On the flipside? No more combiner teams (for now?), so no need to hunt down every single figure to complete a 'set'. This is a much more 'buy what you want' line, really. Which is good.

...Even if I still want more combiners.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get a Piranacon anytime soon since the War for Cybertron trilogy seems to be angled directly against that type of thing

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

fenrir72 wrote:Since I really love to rub it in with my ramblings...........Encore

https://www.businessinsider.com/sears-s ... tcy-2017-5

Sears has a bigger problem than plunging sales: dwindling inventory.

The companies that supply Sears with the TVs, toys, and clothing in its stores are increasingly concerned about the retailer's ability to pay its bills, and some are cutting back on shipments to stores as a result.


Just my ramblings. It only applies to Sears or TRU. Not Hasbro. No sireeee

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

I have seen, and it's still been far from reputable. You have yet to provide hard, unbiased evidence from reputable sources that clearly show that Hasbro's transformers are in major trouble, considering they have been named by Hasbro recently as being the best growing brand over the past 2 years, while Star Wars has been the disappointment, probably because too much in too short of time and too overloaded with figures that a lot of people don't want.

Heck, look at RiD and it's connections to the mobile game. The show was alright, it had a long toyline that was successful and churned out some great stuff, and it connected to the mobile game, all nice and connected.

These figures are simply a product of times and they are moving up to the Studio Series level, and I won't be too disappointed in the price hike considering I have been getting some awesome figures consistently over the past 4 years, and that trend looks to continue. and I like the way they have the waves set up since we are now again away from combiners so I can pick more and feel like I don't need to get them all to form a bigger guy.

In short, your original post was a ramble once more, and here we have cool figures simply catching up in price to other brands, and Transformers has shown no sign of suffering from economics or whatever, seeing as how we do now have 3 solid lines, 4 if you count SS and Bee as separate, and tey are all doing well and hitting their targets

fenrir72 wrote:Yup. Such situations where suppliers like Hasbro will continue on selling items to stores that can't pay. That's a very "profitable business model" alright............like in Venezuela or NK!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:To move on now, I bring up this comment: I think Siege Magnus makes a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege Optimus Prime. Thoughts?

Skritz wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:To move on now, I bring up this comment: I think Siege Magnus makes a better Cybertronian Optimus Prime than Siege Optimus Prime. Thoughts?

Absolutely agree. Regular Optimus is far too Earth-like, even more so than Sideswipe and Hound.

Skritz wrote:Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

Skritz wrote:Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

Autobot N wrote:

Skritz wrote:Anyone think he's a POTP leftover reworked for Siege, with the individual robot modes gutted to make for a more accurate Flywheels?

Perhaps. He just seems different than all of the other figures in the line, with less battle damage and greeble.

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Just because you say it that then with a magic wand THINK with a uniform singular thought?

SW cost Hb a chunk in franchising fees. The highest. Higher than Marvel. No need to get a PhD in economics to know that the y had to recoup their investments.

The units didn't sell. It took a big chunk of their profit margins.The potential money to be used for further R & D.

How do you fill up that big GAP? Loans? Hopefully the interest rates are low.

And Price increases. To offset the costs. No politics there. Simple neutral economics.

Just hope Hb doesn't squeeze the "golden goose" aka the Man Babies who buy TF with disposable income too much. Or, well okay with the price increases so long as the quality ain't sacrificed (hollow legs, shins, arms etc......)

Um, He said Star Wars was noted as underperforming, but TFs still good. The price increase brings this line on par with Studio Series, which as far as I'm and many others are concerned are doing pretty good and are generally on the whole worth it.

You keep bringing up this sort of thing, but I have yet to see any solid evidence with you, and it tends to be more rambling and more shameful personal opinions, some of which doesn't make sense. You keep comparing to Star Wars, but Star Wars has suffered far more than the TFs, and far more weight has been put on them.

The price increase is the price of things going up, and honestly, saying Sideswipe, Cog, an Infinity War Thor, and Black Series Rey all cost the same isn't that bad, especially with how much more the TFs actually do.

Check my post. What is applicable to Sears and TRU is applicable to Hasbro. I posted a link on a business focused site.

If you choose not to see then ...tough!

I have seen, and it's still been far from reputable. You have yet to provide hard, unbiased evidence from reputable sources that clearly show that Hasbro's transformers are in major trouble, considering they have been named by Hasbro recently as being the best growing brand over the past 2 years, while Star Wars has been the disappointment, probably because too much in too short of time and too overloaded with figures that a lot of people don't want.

Heck, look at RiD and it's connections to the mobile game. The show was alright, it had a long toyline that was successful and churned out some great stuff, and it connected to the mobile game, all nice and connected.

These figures are simply a product of times and they are moving up to the Studio Series level, and I won't be too disappointed in the price hike considering I have been getting some awesome figures consistently over the past 4 years, and that trend looks to continue. and I like the way they have the waves set up since we are now again away from combiners so I can pick more and feel like I don't need to get them all to form a bigger guy.

In short, your original post was a ramble once more, and here we have cool figures simply catching up in price to other brands, and Transformers has shown no sign of suffering from economics or whatever, seeing as how we do now have 3 solid lines, 4 if you count SS and Bee as separate, and tey are all doing well and hitting their targets

Business Insider not reputable? Talk about selective processing of business facts.

Yup. Such situations where suppliers like Hasbro will continue on selling items to stores that can't pay. That's a very "profitable business model" alright............like in Venezuela or NK!