New G1 Cybertronian BumbleBee for Winter Wonderfest 2012

GetRightRobot wrote:Although watermarked with the name seibertron, I can assure you, that this little Bumblebee is not affiliated with Seibertron.com.

Aluus wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:Although watermarked with the name seibertron, I can assure you, that this little Bumblebee is not affiliated with Seibertron.com.

A little off topic, but I might actually persuaded to buy it if it WERE affiliated with this site. The price for 3rd party figures is starting to get ludicrous. If seibertron.com produced even one figure, I could see them making a killing on it, simply due to user loyalty.

Aluus wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:Although watermarked with the name seibertron, I can assure you, that this little Bumblebee is not affiliated with Seibertron.com.

A little off topic, but I might actually persuaded to buy it if it WERE affiliated with this site. The price for 3rd party figures is starting to get ludicrous. If seibertron.com produced even one figure, I could see them making a killing on it, simply due to user loyalty.

Bumblevivisector wrote:Damn, that's so impressive I could actually be persuaded to pay $65.

Nonetheless, this is the sort of thing that's going to make me mourn KOTOYS.com from now on. Some bold company needs to copy this in a wide variety of colors if it's strictly an exclusive.

Rated X wrote:Off topic: KO's are all around us. When you buy an air filter from pep boys instead of paying double at the dealer, youve just bought a KO. Ever tried Sam's Choice cola from Walmart ? You just drank a KO. Ever had your ink cartridges refilled for ten bucks instead of giving HP $18.99 ? You just paid someone to build you a KO. Have you ever paid for a Philly Cheesesteak that was not made in Philadelphia ? You just ate a KO of the city's intellectual property and crapped it out of your a**.

Somehow all this is ok but KO toys is considered evil by most TF collectors for commiting the ultimate crime: Giving fans what they want at affordable prices.

Although I was impressed with the War for Cybertron Shockwave thats coming down the pipeline

Mkall wrote:

Rated X wrote:Off topic: KO's are all around us. When you buy an air filter from pep boys instead of paying double at the dealer, youve just bought a KO. Ever tried Sam's Choice cola from Walmart ? You just drank a KO. Ever had your ink cartridges refilled for ten bucks instead of giving HP $18.99 ? You just paid someone to build you a KO. Have you ever paid for a Philly Cheesesteak that was not made in Philadelphia ? You just ate a KO of the city's intellectual property and crapped it out of your a**.

Somehow all this is ok but KO toys is considered evil by most TF collectors for commiting the ultimate crime: Giving fans what they want at affordable prices.

Incorrect - a KO of Coke would be if someone stole the recipie off Coke, copied it and sold under the Coke logo for 50% less. What you're justifying is what most of us already have - Third Party Products. Sam's Choice Cola vs Coke is like FansProject's Defender vs Springer. Similar enough to the popular brand, but different enough to avoid lawsuits.

Also off topic, but interesting - HP (and other printing giants) doesn't have a copyright on their ink, but instead a copyright (or trademark, whatever) on the electronic signature OF their ink, hence why when you plug in authentic HP ink into a printer it knows all the details; but may give you an incorrect or no reading if there's a no-name ink brand in there instead.

G1 Legacy wrote:Question...why hasn't this been a classics figure before now? C'mon TAK/HASBRO get on the ball. I'm not neccesarily reffering to this specific design but the idea of G1 Cybertron Bee...

Rated X wrote:

Mkall wrote:

Rated X wrote:Off topic: KO's are all around us. When you buy an air filter from pep boys instead of paying double at the dealer, youve just bought a KO. Ever tried Sam's Choice cola from Walmart ? You just drank a KO. Ever had your ink cartridges refilled for ten bucks instead of giving HP $18.99 ? You just paid someone to build you a KO. Have you ever paid for a Philly Cheesesteak that was not made in Philadelphia ? You just ate a KO of the city's intellectual property and crapped it out of your a**.

Somehow all this is ok but KO toys is considered evil by most TF collectors for commiting the ultimate crime: Giving fans what they want at affordable prices.

Incorrect - a KO of Coke would be if someone stole the recipie off Coke, copied it and sold under the Coke logo for 50% less. What you're justifying is what most of us already have - Third Party Products. Sam's Choice Cola vs Coke is like FansProject's Defender vs Springer. Similar enough to the popular brand, but different enough to avoid lawsuits.

Also off topic, but interesting - HP (and other printing giants) doesn't have a copyright on their ink, but instead a copyright (or trademark, whatever) on the electronic signature OF their ink, hence why when you plug in authentic HP ink into a printer it knows all the details; but may give you an incorrect or no reading if there's a no-name ink brand in there instead.

Well you’re right about the cola, but that is because cola is over 100 years old. If Sam’s Choice came out in 1900 when only Coke existed, it would be considered a KO. I suppose for whatever reason, nobody owns a patent for “cola”. So anyone can change up the recipe ever so slightly and legally copy Coke.

As far as printer cartridges, HP may not have a copyright on ink, but they don’t authorize companies to refurbish their cartridges for profit. The refurbished cartridges are an unauthorized copy of an official HP product. So even though they are not made from scratch at a factory, theoretically they are KO’s.

Rated X wrote:

G1 Legacy wrote:Question...why hasn't this been a classics figure before now? C'mon TAK/HASBRO get on the ball. I'm not neccesarily reffering to this specific design but the idea of G1 Cybertron Bee...

GuyIncognito wrote:That's a cool little figure. I wouldn't pay $65 for it, although I understand WHY it costs that much: it's an exclusive, and it's Japanese. If Hasbro made that same mold and sold it as Legends-class figure, I'd but it in a heartbeat.

DMSL wrote:$65 is a lot of money for a piece of shit.

Honestly people this thing looks hideous.

Rated X wrote:Off topic: KO's are all around us. When you buy an air filter from pep boys instead of paying double at the dealer, youve just bought a KO. Ever tried Sam's Choice cola from Walmart ? You just drank a KO. Ever had your ink cartridges refilled for ten bucks instead of giving HP $18.99 ? You just paid someone to build you a KO. Have you ever paid for a Philly Cheesesteak that was not made in Philadelphia ? You just ate a KO of the city's intellectual property and crapped it out of your a**.

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

DMSL wrote:$65 is a lot of money for a piece of shit.

Honestly people this thing looks hideous.

Alright then, show me your way of turning this.




Into this.



Cause I'd like to hear it, who knows, it might just put Jizaitoys' version to shame.

Dead Metal wrote:Not G1.

Rated X wrote:

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

DMSL wrote:$65 is a lot of money for a piece of shit.

Honestly people this thing looks hideous.

Alright then, show me your way of turning this.




Into this.



Cause I'd like to hear it, who knows, it might just put Jizaitoys' version to shame.

Well my issue is with this toy is that if these pics are the final product, the thing looks like it was done half ass. They obviously spent a lot of time designing the transformation. So once they got that right why did they stop there ?

• knee and elbow joints would not have killed them to make
• a face is needed, even if it is painted on
• no gloss coat gives figure that cheap “hand painted” look

Delicon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not G1.

Hasbro can say what they want, but to me WFC/FOC is in the G1 universe (officially, or not)

Dead Metal wrote:And for me the movie trilogy is a sequel to Beast Wars.

T-Macksimus wrote:

Rated X wrote:

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

DMSL wrote:$65 is a lot of money for a piece of shit.

Honestly people this thing looks hideous.

Alright then, show me your way of turning this.




Into this.



Cause I'd like to hear it, who knows, it might just put Jizaitoys' version to shame.

Well my issue is with this toy is that if these pics are the final product, the thing looks like it was done half ass. They obviously spent a lot of time designing the transformation. So once they got that right why did they stop there ?

• knee and elbow joints would not have killed them to make
• a face is needed, even if it is painted on
• no gloss coat gives figure that cheap “hand painted” look

For a while there I thought I was the only one who thought this thing looked like crap. Glad to see I'm not alone.
The concept and general transformation is really good. They captured his alt likeness perfectly while still retaining his iconic G1 look but the craftsmanship is too poor for me to want to drop $65 bucks for it. Honestly, it looks like a dollar store "Transformer". Paint application isn't going to help this thing any. You can tellby the plastic and the types of joints they incorporated that this thing is a "cheap" build compared to other 3rd party products. You can also get a good idea of the size class by the size of pins and joints. I would lay money on this being a scout class and for me to drop $65.00 for a figure that size, it better have freaking awesome pouring out of every crack and seam.