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i think that if he didnt destroy it the should come up with the idea that, either he rebuilds cybertron, or turns it into something like the matrix in the next movie ..

It looked like after all what he was saying about destroying it to prevent the Decepticons for using it for evil purposes that he actually removed it pretty carefully and had other intentions for it. I think if they had zero intentions of using it further they would not have shown Optimus removing it.
It would be cool to see it forged into the matrix of leadership or something but it looked too small to me, I'd have to look at it again and I think I will this Saturday when more friends and family come over because they cannot make it up on Christmas day but one present I am giving is the Target exclusive two disk version of the movie to my nephew so he will be so excited and want to watch the movie.

They did that for the sole reason of setting up possibilities in future movies. Just one of those things that isn't written yet ... but think of the possibilities!

Just an awesome scene to put in the movie, because now they don't have to waste TF2 screen time to make us believe there was a piece of the allspark left.

Writers are going to have a field day with it.

AlienQuiksilver wrote:They did that for the sole reason of setting up possibilities in future movies. Just one of those things that isn't written yet ... but think of the possibilities!

Just an awesome scene to put in the movie, because now they don't have to waste TF2 screen time to make us believe there was a piece of the allspark left.

Writers are going to have a field day with it.

Bingo!

u remember when the allspark was shoved into megatrons spark? there is going to be a sequal so 1 word, GALVATRON

thunderwave wrote:u remember when the allspark was shoved into megatrons spark? there is going to be a sequal so 1 word, GALVATRON

Oh yes! Let's completely bring back G1, hell, lets drop the new designs & give them blocky, out of proportioned bodies. And Prime! Get rid of the flames & kill him off! And who could forget Ultra Magnus & Hotrod, and Arcee & Daniel!
And let's include Unicron, the transformer who's size is less consistent than Rumble and Frenzy's colours!
Hell, you know what! Fire Bay, get rid of the crew, scrap the actors, lets just re-release the '80s movie!!!
And you know what? We shouldn't even edit it! Lets just hook up a DVD player to the cinema screens and play it right off the special edition 20th Anniversary DVD!
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They did it to show the viewer that the AllSpark was destroyed and rendered powerless.

Until I see otherwise that's what i'm sticking with. AllSpark destroyed, no longer a plot device.

thunderwave wrote:u remember when the allspark was shoved into megatrons spark? there is going to be a sequal so 1 word, GALVATRON

That's what I'm talking about!!!!
This may be silly, but what if the "irony" is that the allspark has the power to create life, but,
can be destroyed by life it creates (a bpt's spark), WITHOUT completely destroying that life form (so Megs can be brought back).

I would like to see a storyline that involves Starscream bringing back a group of Decepticons, a group of Autobots coming to earth, and then in the last third of the movie, someone actually busting out that piece of the Allspark to create even more bots.
Either that, or even waiting longer and using the Allspark in the third movie.

Justicity wrote:

thunderwave wrote:u remember when the allspark was shoved into megatrons spark? there is going to be a sequal so 1 word, GALVATRON

Oh yes! Let's completely bring back G1, hell, lets drop the new designs & give them blocky, out of proportioned bodies. And Prime! Get rid of the flames & kill him off! And who could forget Ultra Magnus & Hotrod, and Arcee & Daniel!
And let's include Unicron, the transformer who's size is less consistent than Rumble and Frenzy's colours!
Hell, you know what! Fire Bay, get rid of the crew, scrap the actors, lets just re-release the '80s movie!!!
And you know what? We shouldn't even edit it! Lets just hook up a DVD player to the cinema screens and play it right off the special edition 20th Anniversary DVD!
[/sarcasm]

LOL this is exactly what the hardcore uber G1whiners wanted and I do love G1 don't get me wrong but I do not believe that it needed to be a holy bible or the ten commandments written in stone with nothing different for future audiences to enjoy, the target audience would have been too small and we'd have a movie that only G1ers could have related to.
I like G1 for what it is but there needs to be room for other things too.
If they wanted the new movie based on G1 or the G1 movie well we see how well that one did, it took in less than 6 million dollars and even for 1986 that's not good at all, that's what they still insist it should have been based on.

Other than the sarcasm in the above post which I did get a kick out of but if they did bring back Megatron as Galvatron well I'd have no objection but maybe I'm biased lol

If they do bring him back as Galvatron well at least in G1 he was one of the more uniquely designed characters and had more of a roundly drawn design than a blocky one and I'm sure the new movie design would be even more different from that.

I just wonder what alt form he would take ?
Keep the same or similar jet mode, become a cannon but does he lose his flying capabilities then ?
Lots of ideas but time will tell.

Burn wrote:They did it to show the viewer that the AllSpark was destroyed and rendered powerless.

Until I see otherwise that's what i'm sticking with. AllSpark destroyed, no longer a plot device.

Me too. Optimus meant to completely destroy the Allspark in order to keep it out of Decepticon hands. If he didn't, Earth would've been razed to the ground by their war.

Well what if the all-spark regenerated it-self I mean it's still the all spark.

Just thinking about the All-Spark. You know during an interview the movie creative team wanted to steer away from mass-shifting? Well didn't the All-Spark "mass-shift" from the size of hoover dam to a portable tv? I could be nit picking.

kraetah wrote:Just thinking about the All-Spark. You know during an interview the movie creative team wanted to steer away from mass-shifting? Well didn't the All-Spark "mass-shift" from the size of hoover dam to a portable tv? I could be nit picking.

When they said that they were referring to the bots themselves and not just a general canvas to cover everything in the movie.

The allspark was also their god, and since it did have godlike powers to create and destroy life why could it not do the things that it did ?

Why not view it at face value and consider the allspark essentially hollow, we never saw anything to suggest otherwise and all it did was fold in on itself and not necessarily mass shift, I don't think it's too much of a stretch.

I think most of the allspark is still in meg's body and it will eventually revive and reformat him and the other dead cons and the shard optimus has will probably become the matrix of the Transformers film universe and may be the only thing that can stop the new threat, maybe unicron will be revealed as the maker of the allspark or something in TF2.

Justicity wrote:

thunderwave wrote:u remember when the allspark was shoved into megatrons spark? there is going to be a sequal so 1 word, GALVATRON

Oh yes! Let's completely bring back G1, hell, lets drop the new designs & give them blocky, out of proportioned bodies. And Prime! Get rid of the flames & kill him off! And who could forget Ultra Magnus & Hotrod, and Arcee & Daniel!
And let's include Unicron, the transformer who's size is less consistent than Rumble and Frenzy's colours!
Hell, you know what! Fire Bay, get rid of the crew, scrap the actors, lets just re-release the '80s movie!!!
And you know what? We shouldn't even edit it! Lets just hook up a DVD player to the cinema screens and play it right off the special edition 20th Anniversary DVD!
[/sarcasm]

Brilliant!

Galvatron is weakass. The reason the 86 movie fared so poorly is because it sucked so hard. It's what turned me off of transformers completely as a kid. No galvatron, hotrod, quints, and yes, no arcee either, PLEASE! And Unicron can burn in hell, as Orson Welles wished with some of his last, final words.

The "Bay Trilogy", as it were and will be, can easily be filled with G1 *INSPIRED* events prior to the 1986 movie. Megatron should come back with an alt mode we finally recognize, and I am personally voting (and smearing my plot feces) for him to return as his mass-shifting gun-mode. The allspark mass-shifted; since Megatron will return having "absorbed" the all-spark, it makes sense that he's the ONLY cybertronian who can. He should also be able to harness the allspark's radiation and start building an army, which follows well the "empire strikes back" formula, creating an impossible situation for the autobots by the end of the second film.

But please god, no galvatron. He was fluorescent like a fly girl from In Living Color for christ's sake...

the last piece still has the allspark power, so it will be able to create new bots!!!

Abilor wrote:Galvatron is weakass. The reason the 86 movie fared so poorly is because it sucked so hard. It's what turned me off of transformers completely as a kid. No galvatron, hotrod, quints, and yes, no arcee either, PLEASE! And Unicron can burn in hell, as Orson Welles wished with some of his last, final words.

The "Bay Trilogy", as it were and will be, can easily be filled with G1 *INSPIRED* events prior to the 1986 movie. Megatron should come back with an alt mode we finally recognize, and I am personally voting (and smearing my plot feces) for him to return as his mass-shifting gun-mode. The allspark mass-shifted; since Megatron will return having "absorbed" the all-spark, it makes sense that he's the ONLY cybertronian who can. He should also be able to harness the allspark's radiation and start building an army, which follows well the "empire strikes back" formula, creating an impossible situation for the autobots by the end of the second film.

But please god, no galvatron. He was fluorescent like a fly girl from In Living Color for christ's sake...

If by absorbed you mean a huge hole in his chest lol.
Megatron did not harness the power with either technology already built in to him or any external devices.
The blast from the allspark killed him of course so unless he's playing "roboto possum" for those that get the reference, then I'd say no, he did not absorb to either use the energy at that moment or store it for a later time.

As far as Galvatrons color scheme goes well that can easily be changed as we know his design would be changed for the new movies when or if he shows up.

I did not think the 1986 movie sucked but some scenes or characters like any movie won't sit well for everyone, it was an animated movie based on the weekly tv series with much better animation and I will say to my last breath just like the G1 tv series it should not have been meant to be a holy bible that the new movie HAD to be based upon in designs or anything else like so many rabid fan boys wanted.

I personally liked Galvatron better than Megatron, I mean they are the same bot and all, Galvatron just had a better alt mode IMO. Honestly, Megs was cool and all but he turned into a tiny ass handgun, worst alt mode ever and he was literally a tool for his underlings. Galvatron had an awesome alt mode, at least he could aim and fire himself instead of saying "hey Starscream, shoot me at the autobots!"

Sylus wrote:I personally liked Galvatron better than Megatron, I mean they are the same bot and all, Galvatron just had a better alt mode IMO. Honestly, Megs was cool and all but he turned into a tiny ass handgun, worst alt mode ever and he was literally a tool for his underlings. Galvatron had an awesome alt mode, at least he could aim and fire himself instead of saying "hey Starscream, shoot me at the autobots!"

Ah hem...Thank you! I rest my case!

lol

***Galvatron*** wrote:

Sylus wrote:I personally liked Galvatron better than Megatron, I mean they are the same bot and all, Galvatron just had a better alt mode IMO. Honestly, Megs was cool and all but he turned into a tiny ass handgun, worst alt mode ever and he was literally a tool for his underlings. Galvatron had an awesome alt mode, at least he could aim and fire himself instead of saying "hey Starscream, shoot me at the autobots!"

Ah hem...Thank you! I rest my case!

lol

You're Welcome

"Honestly, Megs was cool and all but he turned into a tiny ass handgun, worst alt mode ever and he was literally a tool for his underlings..."

I thought the same, but coming back to TF's some two decades later - I tend to view it (or atleast I try to justify it!) as symbolism - Here's the "Mighty Megatron" feared tyrannical leader of the Decepticons...who is forced to rely on those weaker than himself to wield his power. Like the old classic story-telling device of the mighty king, who's forced by his own laws to give his power to the scheming underling (in this case Starscream)

Galvatron's cannon looks like a large, orange muppet phallus. Every time I see him use it, it's like a purple sack blast. Nasty.

I take your point about Megs-as-weapon, but I always saw it two ways. In the eighties, as far as toys, not many things were more badass than a realistic toy gun. His alt mode, in the hands of a five year old, is pretty scary from a "where is our culture going" point of view.

In universe, the "megatron gun", as I think of it, is so powerful that it consumes all of megatron's energy/being for it to fire. The name itself, "megatron", is a fusion of megaton and electronic; it sounds really scary (I read this somewhere around here - props to whoever told me). Also, his cannon is referred to as a "fusion" cannon, implying advanced nuclear capabilities.

So basically, Megatron's alt mode is a nuclear powered Nazi luger so powerful, it takes all his being to bring it online, his only achilles heel. The symbolism of it (Nazi Nuclear War) just drips evil, especially in an 80's cold war way. What's more badass than that?

Certainly not floppy orange muppet c*ck.

"Megatron got rebuilt into Galvatron. He's way stronger, and totaly insane!" to quote roughly. Yeah, I can roll with Galvatron. He's the "Jack Torrance" of Transformers. As for the Allspark shard, Why not have Wheeljack drop in and build a Matrix casing for it , that would allow Prime to draw power to become Powered Convoy or Power master OP?
Or... Have The Dinobots turn up, housed in another base, as NTE-2,3,4,5...? They are lifeless hulks, buried in ancient times, along with Shockwave, as per Shockwave Spotlight. And, OP tries to regenerate them with the shard. Then they could run wild! Out of control, just like the little Nokia bot! They could say that they had tracked Megatron and shot him down, before being destroyed by Shockwave in the past!

Abilor wrote: Megatron should come back with an alt mode we finally recognize, and I am personally voting (and smearing my plot feces) for him to return as his mass-shifting gun-mode.

Hasbro had said that they didn't want Megs transforming into a gun b/c they wouldn't market a toy like that, which makes sense. Megatrons transformation is beyond weak. He's the big, bad ass leader of the decepticons, turns into a super powerful weapon, but someone else has to use him in his alt mode to shoot him? It's like Darth Vader turning into a lightsaber and then someone else having to wield the weapon. (My favorite metaphor with this entire discussion). Thankfully Galvatron gets a better alt mode, but who came up with that idea for Megs in the first place?

Back to the topic discussion.... just because the All Spark was mostly destroyed that doesn't mean it's not a plot device. And if the All Spark is suppose to be this all powerful, even and objectified "God-like" artifact to the Transformers, then maybe even only a piece has some type of power. Even if it didn't have any power it could still be used as a type of symbol for hope. The whole idea that if there is even a piece of the All Spark then maybe they can save their world? :p I dunno. I'm just throwing out random ideas here.

I'm pretty sure you can hear the piece of the Allspark being crushed when Prime squeezes it in his hand, I really don't think it will be making a comeback

The only thing I liked about Galvatron is that he was insane from boiling in lava for however long. That made him interesting. But I loved Megatron and think turning into a gun is super menacing.

Anyway I think the All Spark will regenerate itself. It grew Frenzy a new body. Give it some time or some Autobot tender love and care and it'll probably just grow back. It does have the power to create life where none exists so regeneration isn't too far of a stretch.

JerryTerrifying wrote:The only thing I liked about Galvatron is that he was insane from boiling in lava for however long. That made him interesting. But I loved Megatron and think turning into a gun is super menacing.

Anyway I think the All Spark will regenerate itself. It grew Frenzy a new body. Give it some time or some Autobot tender love and care and it'll probably just grow back. It does have the power to create life where none exists so regeneration isn't too far of a stretch.

Galvatrons lava baths made him stronger, he states that in one of the five faces of darkness episodes but he went insane from the initial format change when unicron changed him from megatron into galvatron and probably having a bunch of incompetent fools doing his bidding did not help his sanity either.

***Galvatron*** wrote:Galvatrons lava baths made him stronger, he states that in one of the five faces of darkness episodes

But there's no proof of that.Those claimes could have been the ranting of a madman [mad-bot]

***Galvatron*** wrote:but he went insane from the initial format change when unicron changed him from megatron into galvatron

I dont agree.After his transformation at the hands of Unicron he was quite sane.

As a matter of fact his first action as Galvatron might have been the first really "sane" thing he ever did....ether as Megatron or Galvatron.

I would say the lava bath was the cause of his insability.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

***Galvatron*** wrote:Galvatrons lava baths made him stronger, he states that in one of the five faces of darkness episodes

But there's no proof of that.Those claimes could have been the ranting of a madman [mad-bot]


Taking on all those sweeps plus cyclonus and defeating them all, being able to lay waste to all of webworld are to very good examples of his superior strength.

***Galvatron*** wrote:but he went insane from the initial format change when unicron changed him from megatron into galvatron

I simply meant that was the start of it and not that he was totally ape sh*t from the start, the format change and also unicrons torturing also played a part.

I dont agree.After his transformation at the hands of Unicron he was quite sane.

As a matter of fact his first action as Galvatron might have been the first really "sane" thing he ever did....ether as Megatron or Galvatron.

I would say the lava bath was the cause of his insability.

I won't disagree that it may have contributed to it but perhaps not the sole cause is what I meant.

***Galvatron*** wrote:
Taking on all those sweeps plus cyclonus and defeating them all, being able to lay waste to all of webworld are to very good examples of his superior strength.

Web world did not seem to have much in the way of offencive capabilties so their defeat is nothing special

Both Cyclonus and the Sweeps were in a weakend state so defeating them was no real feat.

And when you compair the amount of damage that he inflicted on them and any of the Autobots he attacked in "5 faces of darkness" to the single shot kill of Starscream in the movie how can you call his lava bath strength superior???

***Galvatron*** wrote:I simply meant that was the start of it and not that he was totally ape sh*t from the start, the format change and also unicrons torturing also played a part.

I'll say again:

He showed no sign's of being crazy at all right after his upgrade to Galvatron.

As a matter of fact his first action as Galvatron might have been the first really "sane" thing he ever did....ether as Megatron or Galvatron.

***Galvatron*** wrote:I won't disagree that it may have contributed to it but perhaps not the sole cause is what I meant.

Every action that can be considered insane happened after the lava bath.

To me thats proof that the bath cause the instabilty.

Maybe the allspark pulled Megatron's spark out and it's now trapped in the fragment that Optimus has. And sometime in the next movie it gets transfered to an earth vehicle providing him with a new body. Kinda like what happened in beast machines.

i think he kept it. i mean they were trying to save it and as a last resort Optimus Prime would absorb it.

Wouldnt a object that restores life like it did to Frenzy be able to regenasize itsself back to a whole cube?

metalnerd wrote:What do you think optimus does with the last piece of the all spark taken from megatrons chest?? does he actually crush it or keep it???

Maybe he keeps it 'cause he wants a reminder what would have happened if the Allspark had really gotten into the wrong hands. Or he wants soemthing to remember his "brother" by...

I personally wouldn't mind either way. Plot device or not. Though, I secretly wish for Jazz to come back. Though, that would be like bringing Prime back from the classic G1 and I would be considered one of those annoying whiners...

Anyway...I'm just pumped there's a sequal ^__^