Hasbro Shows us some of the Tooling for Victory Saber

I wasn't expecting a new update so soon, but now I'm kinda hopeful that we could see the test shot in like 2 months or so

Ooooh, engineer porn, giggity!

Bow chicka bow-bow...

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Ooooh, engineer porn, giggity!

Bow chicka bow-bow...

Even as I agree with you, these word choices make me judge myself for loving them

New update - https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/hasbro-pulse-premium-previews/haslab-transformers-victory-saber-backer-update-packaging-art-sneak-peek

Yes, the email was a nice way to begin the morning. It appears that progress is going well. usually packaging is not something we see until almost the end of the process. I don't think they are ahead by any means, but it is nice to see.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the only Haslab to have a significant delay so far is the Razorscrest. (from fall 21 to spring 22). As long as I have VS by end of this calendar year in hand I'll be happy.

No brown box here!
I'm pleased.

-Kanrabat- wrote:No brown box here!
I'm pleased.

Guido Guidi! I'm pleased.

So I backed and paid for a VS already, but I have not been getting these update emails. Do I have to subscribe somewhere to them?

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:No brown box here!
I'm pleased.

Guido Guidi! I'm pleased.

Excellent.

LinaNui wrote:So I backed and paid for a VS already, but I have not been getting these update emails. Do I have to subscribe somewhere to them?

You'll have to check some box to allow the newsletter.
I do not remember where.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

LinaNui wrote:So I backed and paid for a VS already, but I have not been getting these update emails. Do I have to subscribe somewhere to them?

You'll have to check some box to allow the newsletter.
I do not remember where.

Also, maybe try checking your spam folder. Important items sometimes falls into there for me.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

LinaNui wrote:So I backed and paid for a VS already, but I have not been getting these update emails. Do I have to subscribe somewhere to them?

You'll have to check some box to allow the newsletter.
I do not remember where.

Also, maybe try checking your spam folder. Important items sometimes falls into there for me.

I also didn't starting getting these emails until I actually made an account with Hasbro Pulse. Before then, I was just purchasing items as a guest. But when I made an account, the emails started coming in.

-Kanrabat- wrote:No brown box here!
I'm pleased.

I'm cautiously optimistic, but some of those concepts aren't much different from what we're getting from Legacy Selects like Black Zarak.



I think a full color gatefold box would be really cool, though.

Emerje

Hasbro has sent fans another update to the upcoming Transformers Victory Saber. We now have images about the packaging art that is being done by fan favourite artist Guido Guidi.

“Working with our design team, Guido explored many different style options to best represent Star Saber, Victory Leo, and the Victory Saber combined mode. He tested how the composition would fit within our packaging constraints, while still looking amazing on your shelf. The classic reformatting gridlines and structure scan design were an important part of the Transformers: Victory animation, and we wanted to make sure we incorporated them in the final art”

This packaging is still in progress but ew have a good idea of it's components now. You can see the different mock ups and line art from Guido below.

Missing another Option: one without the Legacy toyline logo.

I know Unicron's got the WFC logo. But that just proofed it's unnecessary nor wanted, it was not shown in the Netflix animated series or storyline.

I'd rather they put HasLab instead if they must, and make it as minimal as possible.

cloudballoon wrote:Missing another Option: one without the Legacy toyline logo.

I know Unicron's got the WFC logo. But that just proofed it's unnecessary nor wanted, it was not shown in the Netflix animated series or storyline.

Uhh...

cloudballoon wrote: it was not shown in the Netflix animated series or storyline.

Did you watch it?

My bad. I did half-watch it (have it on while WfH), and totally forgot about it. My bad my bad. XD

Which episode you got the capture from? I should rewatch that part at 2x speed.

cloudballoon wrote:My bad. I did half-watch it (have it on while WfH), and totally forgot about it. My bad my bad. XD

Which episode you got the capture from? I should rewatch that part at 2x speed.

Unicron was in Earthrise episode 5, Kingdom episode 1, Kingdom episode 5, and Kingdom episode 6.

After fans helped me to reason on the whole Kingdom/SS86 series mess. I have come to the realization also that packaging doesn't really matter. I mean cool packaging (like what was seemingly shown off for VS) is GREAT, but whether it says Haslab, or Legacy, or Generations, doesn't really bother me.

Basically with Selects, - I call it just that "Selects", I have to really think about what year it came out, and as to what Generations line it corresponded to, but that is secondary information, not really vital to the release. I consider Haslab as basically a crowd-funded Selects toy, so whatever label they put on it wont effect me at the end of the day. A cool box with cool box art is defintely bonus though

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:My bad. I did half-watch it (have it on while WfH), and totally forgot about it. My bad my bad. XD

Which episode you got the capture from? I should rewatch that part at 2x speed.

Unicron was in Earthrise episode 5, Kingdom episode 1, Kingdom episode 5, and Kingdom episode 6.

Thanks!

o.supreme wrote:After fans helped me to reason on the whole Kingdom/SS86 series mess. I have come to the realization also that packaging doesn't really matter. I mean cool packaging (like what was seemingly shown off for VS) is GREAT, but whether it says Haslab, or Legacy, or Generations, doesn't really bother me.

Basically with Selects, - I call it just that "Selects", I have to really think about what year it came out, and as to what Generations line it corresponded to, but that is secondary information, not really vital to the release. I consider Haslab as basically a crowd-funded Selects toy, so whatever label they put on it wont effect me at the end of the day. A cool box with cool box art is defintely bonus though

I tend to keep windowless boxes that have great boxart. Reflector, the whole Commander class so far, The Ark, Ecto-1, etc. come to mind. This Star Saber will be kept for sure. That's why I don't want big logos on it.

To be fair, the WFC logo treatment on Unicron's box is not bad, but I still think it's unnecessary. HasLab/Unicorn is so much its own thing, it needn't be attached to a toyline.

Guido doing the box art? that is fantastic news and I am looking forward to his final art!

cloudballoon wrote:

o.supreme wrote:After fans helped me to reason on the whole Kingdom/SS86 series mess. I have come to the realization also that packaging doesn't really matter. I mean cool packaging (like what was seemingly shown off for VS) is GREAT, but whether it says Haslab, or Legacy, or Generations, doesn't really bother me.

Basically with Selects, - I call it just that "Selects", I have to really think about what year it came out, and as to what Generations line it corresponded to, but that is secondary information, not really vital to the release. I consider Haslab as basically a crowd-funded Selects toy, so whatever label they put on it wont effect me at the end of the day. A cool box with cool box art is defintely bonus though

I tend to keep windowless boxes that have great boxart. Reflector, the whole Commander class so far, The Ark, Ecto-1, etc. come to mind. This Star Saber will be kept for sure. That's why I don't want big logos on it.

To be fair, the WFC logo treatment on Unicron's box is not bad, but I still think it's unnecessary. HasLab/Unicorn is so much its own thing, it needn't be attached to a toyline.

All of HasLab's projects are made to go with an existing line, not just Unicron. Even the Ghostbusters Protonpack was made to go with an existing retail wand and they basically made an entire vintage line just to go with the G.I.Joe Skystriker.

Emerje

Wish I had the spare cash to buy into this...

I have one prediction for this set: It'll get a gallery before anything from Power of the Primes does, as will Legacy Metroplex

Haslab Victory Saber video freshly launched -

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/haslab-pr ... %3D.LqpvWS

Wow 42 minutes! I've watched about 5 and I like what I'm seeing so far, I'll definitely watch the rest later, looks like they are listening to fan concerns/requests to make this the best release possible.

o.supreme wrote:Wow 42 minutes! I've watched about 5 and I like what I'm seeing so far, I'll definitely watch the rest later, looks like they are listening to fan concerns/requests to make this the best release possible.

Definitely looks to be that way, the big takeaways for me were the fact that wing saber has double butterfly joints at the shoulder and an ab crunch. He can store the sword blade in his calf, and all the accessories can store fairly cleanly in all modes. The lion guy combines with wingsaber via a 5mm port and can therefore be attached to any figure with a 5mm port on their back (gives big cybertron wingsaber vibes) I also greatly appreciate how they designed the brainmaster figures, I thought it was very clever.

Of note, the guy said that the lion shoes could only combine with star saber "for now" meaning they might have another figure in the works that will be combatable with lion guy

Yeah I caught that "for now" part. They may have initially been toying with the CW system as a means of connection, which would have been neat, ( thinking of Legacy motor master or even Legends God Bomber) but for stability I definitely get it, and am glad they went the way they did.

o.supreme wrote:Yeah I caught that "for now" part. They may have initially been toying with the CW system as a means of connection, which would have been neat, ( thinking of Legacy motor master or even Legends God Bomber) but for stability I definitely get it, and am glad they went the way they did.

It's funny you mention godbomber, because I was wondering if they are working on a new version of him using this system, since they both upgrade via putting on shoes, can't think of anyone else that does that since they say saber "...is the only one he can combine with for now..."

We saw the process for Victory Saber so far. They showed us the tooling process and now we have the engineering pilot for the figure. Meaning this has the plastic that would be used in the final product. Of course, since this is a pilot (prototype), it can change, that's the point. But this is close to the final version enough that Hasbro is taking the opportunity to run through it with us with a 42 minute video, showing us all the features of the toy. Hopefully you reserved your copy already because at the current prices, it's looking more and more like a bargain everyday and it will surely be a hot commodity once released.

Friend of the site Hellscream9999 gave us a quick rundown of the more notable aspects in case you don't have 42 minutes.

Hellscream9999 wrote:The big takeaways for me were the fact that wing saber has double butterfly joints at the shoulder and an ab crunch. He can store the sword blade in his calf, and all the accessories can store fairly cleanly in all modes. Victory leo combines with star saber via a 5mm port and can therefore be attached to any figure with a 5mm port on their back (gives big cybertron wingsaber vibes) I also greatly appreciate how they designed the brainmaster figures, I thought it was very clever.

Of note, the guy said that the lion shoes could only combine with star saber "for now" meaning they might have another figure in the works that will be combatable with Victory Leo

"Wing Saber"?

That would be interesting. I'm perfectly happy with my TR/Legends hybrid God Ginrai, but I know a lot of folks would appreciate another take on it.

I'm probably hyping this up a bit much in my mind, but this toy looks great. Those that see my posts know I can be quite critical of Hasbro at times, btu I'm going to give them all the props when I think they deserve it, and after watching the full video I am super excited for this.

Admittedly, I'll say Selects Black Zarak looks amazing. I think the Headmaster/ Deluxe bot' is a little too "fiddly" as parts fall off easier than I would like, but posing in Robot mode looks amazing!

I wish there were a few more size comparisons. They are a bit taller than I expected, which is a huge plus. Star Saber was originally estimated to be "Voyager" size, but he is definitely T30/Prime Wars leader size at least, and with all the extra parts and engineering, probably brings him close to CC.

Victory Leo is definitely a "Beefy Voyager" which is nice, since original estimates had him close to a Deluxe. Victory Saber when altogether I'm guessing is easily as tall (maybe a fraction taller?) than CC Jetfire, and I'm ok with that.

Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?

Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?

Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?

He called the toy "Wing Saber".

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?

Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?

He called the toy "Wing Saber".

Is that not what the Cybertron toy is called?

I had to split watching the video over two days because I was getting angrier with each minute. I am NOT happy with what I saw. I was going into detail on Twitter but here are the bullet points:

-The sword blade HAS to store in the back, that is an iconic part of the character and original toy. The blade also looks WAY too short.

-The hilt is ok for toy accuracy but way too big for anime, also I still don't think the sword will be able to be held in animation style accurately, not enough clearance in the forearms. The MP covered this by including a smaller hilt that looks and works great.

-Unpegging the arms don't make them butterfly joints, you're just undoing the transformation for it to work.

-They ruined the head gimmick, I'm pretty sure the Robot Master and/or the Candy Toy kit worked out a way to have the helmet attach and turn, the MP did this perfectly.

-They ruined the Brainmaster gimmick on Saber, I hope the final piece isn't clear plastic or that's just going to start a clock on the life of this figure.

Victory Leo looks really, really good and is the best part of the set.

If this was a mass retail toy then I would say it'll be one of the best, if not the best toys ever made, but seeing as how this is a crowdfunded, made-to-order collector's item it needed to be way, way better. Unfortunately, it's too late now. At least we're finally getting a stand to use with other figures.

I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:If this was a mass retail toy then I would say it'll be one of the best, if not the best toys ever made, but seeing as how this is a crowdfunded, made-to-order collector's item it needed to be way, way better. Unfortunately, it's too late now. At least we're finally getting a stand to use with other figures.

It's no excuse for a HasLab project, but the rumors/speculations were what this is a "water testing" project to gauge interest in N. America of Japanese TF characters in a mass retail market/budget down the road. HasLab was the platform Hasbro chose to do this with the least risk. That's why the mold is very mass retail in terms of design. But they increased the paint app budget.

I do think the theory is more likely than not credible for this HasLab VS project's intent. In that light, all the maddening stuffs you mentioned are understandable. Otherwise, they could've go for a HasLab Primus/Cybertron after Unicorn (Or maybe that'll never happen considering Unicorn almost couldn't be funded).

American funders had it (relatively) good. Hasbro's not asking that much more than a mass retail price considering what we're getting (with all the extra Tier unlocks). We in Canada have to pay for expensive extra shipping (comes out to $237.28USD total), we're in even more pain than you guys in the US of A.

This video is making me very excited to finally get the figures in hand. I'm glad I backed this!

cloudballoon wrote: We in Canada have to pay for expensive extra shipping (comes out to $237.28USD total), we're in even more pain than you guys in the US of A.

Not that painful especially if we buy two. Plus the total price is around the same as your average titan before the prices increase.

Interestingly enough, they seem to have used one of the "test shots" of Earthrise Optimus Prime for these comparison shots with this colored engineering prototype. Note the blue biceps, gray hands, and yellow eyes.

ZeroWolf wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?

Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?

He called the toy "Wing Saber".

Is that not what the Cybertron toy is called?

Not that, the HasLab toy.

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.

Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo. I’m not saying it’s a bad figure I think it looks cool I just feel it’s more in line with something anyone can pick up while running errands on the weekend not something exclusive like a 20 pound 3 foot tall behemoth.

GrangerPerry wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.

Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo. I’m not saying it’s a bad figure I think it looks cool I just feel it’s more in line with something anyone can pick up while running errands on the weekend not something exclusive like a 20 pound 3 foot tall behemoth.

My point was more that this was Hasbro's baby exclusively through money via haslab, unlike masterpieces (the non-mpm stuff which has to go through Takara.)

In any case, if hasbro had believed this could sell at retail they would have done it, but as the theory goes, this was a test to see the fan demand for representation of Japanese G1. What better way then fans putting money where their mouths are with the haslab system.

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

So I have the MP. This is what I wanted, not another Masterpiece. The MP Star Saber is too dang big to fit into a CHUG shelf. It's not far off asthetically, but the sheer bulk of it, he should not be able to ab crunch Skyfire and he looks like he could.

This toy is not perfect; I agree with many of Chuckdawgs gripes, but where I lose track is the idea that this was going to be anything other than a Generations Star Saber. The first giveaway was the fact that they priced this as a Titan at what is estimated to be a third to a quarter of the average production run. The final sales number blew out that threshold so the data skews somewhat on the final balance, but the important fact is that they budgeted for 10k units at what was it 193? Yes, they could have made MP2.0 Victory Saber and it would have e cost $400 and done all of what the original MP did but I feel like ot was very clear from the get go they wanted to make a more budget accessible, (realizing that Ha a Lab is not an accessable platform) Generations style Victory Saber.

So I am happy with the sword stowing on the back and the blade having to go somewhere else if it was sacrificed to make the toy work better, which it seems it was. I would have liked a second sword blade that was longer.

I am growing weary of these bellbottom sleeved robots that cannot hold their weapons the right way, Siege Ultra Magnus.

I would not have minded Star Saber being slightly taller, in order to make Saber slightly bigger. I want to see him with the Earthrise Seekers because I am totally doing a dogfight scene and I worry he is going to be tiny.

I actually expected Leo to be closer to Leader than he is, and NY rights he should be closer to Star Saber in height, but I like what we are getting here. I do feel like a flip up 5mm peg in the platform shoes mode to allow him to weaponize would not ha e gone amiss, might have been able to further secure the combination joint, and stow out of the way if not. Likewise, if they had put some 5mm ports in the lion paws then we would have e had two more ports on Victory Sabers back for storage and I could put blast effects in the paws like he is flying in Lion Mode Voltron style. Is it too late to change the tooling?

I really don't care about the whole Brainmaster thing. The detachable head is not my fave, but I don't really care either. I hope Chuck is wrong about that plastic being on a clock.

My OCD wants the V Lock Cannon to mount symmetrically. Maybe I can belly mount it with the stand hole?

And to echo Chuckdawg; if you have to design the shoulders rjoint to come apart so he can two hand his sword then so be it, but detaching his shoulder does not a butterfly joint make.

So far Haslab has crowdfunded the main antagonist of the first movie and the final leader of the g1 autobots. I just hope we’re not seeing a trend starting where they hold off on the key characters to get your money early. If Legacy Deathsaurus gets announced the aftermarket price is doubling immediately