Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards

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While we don't normally report on minor differences between auxiliary items like collectable cards, and while it has been some time since this detail was observed, it's still something interesting enough to warrant a mention. In the process of obtaining the various cards detailing Wave 3 Legends Cindersaur's Prime-based power-ups, collectors have noticed that different cards in the set address the character with different-gendered pronouns.

Cards of the "Alpha Trion Cindersaur" variety address Cindersaur as a 'she', while the Micronus cards instead use a male pronoun. It appears that all other cards in the set use either gender-neutral pronouns or simply omit them altogether, making for a 50/50 balance of genders in this Cindersaur figure's current fiction, insofar as it can be considered such.

Whether this "running change" of sorts is intentional on Hasbro's part or not will probably never be known for certain, but either way it makes for some interesting speculation - be it on the real-life end leading to this interesting situation, or in-fiction explanations including the welcoming of Cindersaur into genderfluid circles. Regardless, it's definitely one of the more unexpected occurrences to spawn from the dwindling 'bio-style' pack-in fiction in recent years!

Check below for an image of Alpha Trion Cindersaur's card from Seibertronian Hellscream9999 - there seems to be a lack of photos online showing the Micronus variant, so if you happen to have that version, why not post it up for others to see in the Energon Pub Forums? While you're there, feel free to discuss this situation with other board members - and for discussion ranging toward the more "political" side of things, consider sharing your thoughts in the Gender Politics thread instead! And as always, stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all future Transformers news, be it of the expected variety or otherwise.

Credit(s): Hellscream9999

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Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968963)
Posted by Qwan on July 6th, 2018 @ 7:58am CDT

Here's something interesting I found while looking into this: it has been suggested that the reason for this variation is that whoever wrote the bios for the cards forgot the change the gender on a Slash card from female to male for Cindersaur, or something along those lines. But while Micronus Slash uses a female pronoun and Micronus Cindersaur uses male, supporting this theory, Alpha Trion Slash's card makes no mention of gender at all. Meaning that (even if the idea of altering cards between retools is how the process works, which I doubt anyway) the change to male pronoun for Micronus and the addition of female pronoun for Alpha Trion were both "intentional", insofar as neither one was accidentally left unaltered or anything like that.

Just an interesting supplemental fact, that didn't really have a spot to go in the article proper

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968964)
Posted by Quantum Surge on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:00am CDT

I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968965)
Posted by Qwan on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:07am CDT

Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.

Well, that's just the thing - see my extra note above. The Alpha Trion card that addresses Cindersaur as a 'she' refers to Slash neutrally, meaning that whether or not that's how the cards work, it was intentionally added for Cindersaur's. It seems like an obvious explanation but the more I look into it, the curiouser it becomes!

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968966)
Posted by It Is Him on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:18am CDT

Cindersaur is gender fluid. It’s official now.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968968)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:23am CDT

Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968969)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:25am CDT

Egads, the throne does not look good. The rest of the set looks great though and I kinda want it.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968971)
Posted by truegrit on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:30am CDT

It Is Him wrote:Cindersaur is gender fluid. It’s official now.

This seems appropriate

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968975)
Posted by RiddlerJ on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:13am CDT

Wolfman Jake wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:Gotta be honest. Even if I did get this Primal, that cardboard throne probably will go in the trash.

I rather like it. We don't get a lot of "set pieces" for Transformers. I've got the pop-up Autobot Ark from that SDCC G1/Age of Extinction Dinobot set from several years back. I have to find some room to display that one of these days. By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?

If the throne was plastic, I'd love it, but a flimsy cardboard thing that takes up a lot of space while looking like a cardboard cutout isn't going to make it.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968979)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:19am CDT

Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?

"Thrones are for Decepticons. Besides, I'd rather roll." --Optimus Prime.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968980)
Posted by Randomhero on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:34am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?
"Thrones are for Decepticons. Besides, I'd rather roll." --Optimus Prime.

Primal will be knocked off that throne and Galvatron will be put on it with the scepter in one and and a battle axe at his side. Might even use Titan master heads of Optimus, megatron, Rodimus and others in place of the prime master slots

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968982)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:46am CDT

If one wanted to, one could pretend that the little Matrix Prime Master is an incarnation of Primal Prime since Primal Prime himself was a living incarnation of the Matrix.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968986)
Posted by ScottyP on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:54am CDT

Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.

Wouldn't be the first mix up

(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968988)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:58am CDT

Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.

You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968991)
Posted by budmaloney on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:02am CDT

I like the throne, it's a clever use of packaging that people won't throwout. It's just odd to me seeing the Optimal Optimus body in Primal's original scheme. I haven't bought OpOp yet, but I think the matrix on this one would be a better fit with OpOp, the blue one just looked odd and clashed. Though tbh I've been out of the POTP line especially the evolution.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968992)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:05am CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.

You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

No. There is no discussion to be had. That's about as much "respect" as you're getting from me on that issue.

I'll say no more on the matter solely because you're an admin, but make no mistake, I'm not happy about seeing that kind of deviant drivel here.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968993)
Posted by no-one on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:05am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:If one wanted to, one could pretend that the little Matrix Prime Master is an incarnation of Primal Prime since Primal Prime himself was a living incarnation of the Matrix.

I like the cut of your jib good sir.

That is one PM I'd like to get my hands on. :BOOM:

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968994)
Posted by Happy Miracle on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:06am CDT

Black Hat wrote: and "gender fluid" is not a thing.

I mean, it is, whether you like it or not.

Don't encourage that harmful crap.

Sorry, hi, I'm new. I just wanted to put forward that as someone who spends time with a lot of people who identify as queer, trans, genderfluid and all of that is that the thing which is consistently 'harmful' are the attitudes, behaviours, and violence which seek to deny and punish anyone who doesn't meet conform to a binary experience of gender.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968995)
Posted by Sigma Magnus on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:06am CDT

Since I'm genderfluid myself, this was neat to see. I wonder if any future authors will make reference to it

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968996)
Posted by It Is Him on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:13am CDT

Black Hat wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.

You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

No. There is no discussion to be had. That's about as much "respect" as you're getting from me on that issue.

I'll say no more on the matter solely because you're an admin, but make no mistake, I'm not happy about seeing that kind of deviant drivel here.

Here’s the door

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968997)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:14am CDT

Looks like Cindersaur has some "What gender?" issues in some online chat rooms. I sympathise, I get mistaken for the opposite one all the time. My overall behaviour doesn't help, despite the plumbing :lol:

Seriously tho, the female ones for Cindersaur do seem to come from the Slash template, as a couple of her cards do use "she" and "her", like the Prima and Micronus ones. Tracking and fixing them, well... we're dealing with 12 cards per character here.

ScottyP wrote:
Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.
Wouldn't be the first mix up

(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)

It may seem odd, but let me give you some snippets from the Marvel Transformers Universe bios:

Windcharger
Windcharger is the fastest Autobot of them all - for short distances. He can go from 0 to 60 mph in automobile mode in almost no time whatsoever, and that makes him useful in certain situations requiring very fast, very decisive action.

Tailgate
In car mode, Tailgate can go as fast as 180 mph under his own power with a range of 600 miles. But a powerful ferrocobalt magnet under his hood allows him to be pulled by and within a few feet of any vehicle he chooses to follow, reducing his own fuel expenditure to nearly zero.

What do you guys think?

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968998)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:16am CDT

As others have pointed out. The writing of the Bio's on the PotP Trading Cards are some of the laziest one liners ever conceived, errors have been popping up, no need to assume anything more than that, given how little care was taken into making these.

However...since wave 3 has started to be available in some places, has anyone seen any fan mode integration of Cindersaur with Abominus? I've looked online for pics or videos but haven't seen anything yet.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968999)
Posted by It Is Him on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:18am CDT

truegrit wrote:
It Is Him wrote:Cindersaur is gender fluid. It’s official now.

This seems appropriate

5/5

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969000)
Posted by ScottyP on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:20am CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It may seem odd, but let me give you some snippets from the Marvel Transformers Universe bios:

ScottyP wrote:(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969001)
Posted by Microraptor on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:22am CDT

If I'm not mistaken, that makes them the first gender fluid transformer ever! Which is neat.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969002)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:22am CDT

ScottyP wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It may seem odd, but let me give you some snippets from the Marvel Transformers Universe bios:

ScottyP wrote:(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)

I didn't think Tailgate as a powerful accelerator, he's just fast. Like Bowser on Mario Kart given enough time.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969004)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:28am CDT

@cindersaur with Abominus- did anyone come up with an intergration of slash and volcanius?

@Cindersaur bio, sounds like the designers are letting the individual customers decide. I'm all for letting people decide how they want to be addressed. It ultimately makes no difference to me on how I treat them. That's decided by what kind of people they are (e.g. do they kick puppies? Then they are monsters)

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969005)
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:29am CDT

Microraptor wrote:If I'm not mistaken, that makes them the first gender fluid transformer ever! Which is neat.

IDW arcee.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969009)
Posted by Hydrargyrus on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:57am CDT

On Cindersaur: I think it’s just that one or more people (writers) got confused as to what gender Cindersaur was supposed to be, given that it’s a classically male character with a female mold. Maybe multiple people didn’t communicate before submitting, or one person simply forgot what they had written on a previous card. Given previous blunders with Slash’s card translations, it’s far from unlikely.

also, just because you don’t believe something/something isn’t real doesn’t mean other people don’t believe it. Sometimes there are simply things that are worth mentioning, regardless of their nature.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969012)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:05am CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:@cindersaur with Abominus- did anyone come up with an intergration of slash and volcanius?

Yes. There are 2 I've seen (probably more). The most popular seems to make Slash a "Backpack" of sorts by plugging slashs dino hands into 2 holes on the back of Grimlock's shoulders as Volcanucus. The other folds Slash into an upside down rectangle and she kind of dangles as a necklace around Grimlocks Dino-head in Volcanicus mode. I personally like the backpack better as it is more stable. There may be others as well, those are just the 2 more prominent ones.

Because Hun-Gurr/Abominus is a different mold, Cindersaur wont work for either of those, I was just wondering if some creative fan had come up with something else.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969013)
Posted by Randomhero on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:08am CDT

I had no idea people were so compassionate about the cards. I throw them away with the packaging. They dont even leave the section the placed in.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969016)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:14am CDT

Do we know when/where the new Blast Off is getting released?

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969017)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:16am CDT

Randomhero wrote:I had no idea people were so compassionate about the cards. I throw them away with the packaging. They dont even leave the section the placed in.

There are varying degrees. personally, I'd sell them on eBay, but my son likes having them for the art (dosen't care about the bio's). Having 12 of each, has created a niche group however that is obsessed with getting them all, which I can understand, I'm odd when it comes to other things such as numerology and symmetry in Transformers. The Bio's themselves are completely nonsensical however and I pay them no mind.

This isn't like the effort Bob Budiansky took to write bio's for the first 24 Transformers ever over a weekend. Think about it. There are *roughly* 40 Transformers in this line, with 12 cards each, that's 480 cards. You give 50 interns an hour to come up with 10 phrases each, that's about as much effort as I see that was placed into making these bios, and would certainly account for the errors.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969018)
Posted by ciano on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:17am CDT

I want this so bad, when and where is it coming out? Bruticus is my favorite CW style combiner so far, and I really liked the fact that they made Blast Off into a vehicle that actually exists, but this is going to be a lovely capstone to the collection.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969021)
Posted by Short Circuit on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:34am CDT

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Do we know when/where the new Blast Off is getting released?

I pre-ordered him from robotkingdom a bit ago and received him yesterday.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969023)
Posted by Bounti76 on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:39am CDT

TrypticonCarne wrote:
Microraptor wrote:If I'm not mistaken, that makes them the first gender fluid transformer ever! Which is neat.

IDW arcee.

She's transgender, though, not genderfluid. She once identified as male, but came to realize that that was not being true to herself, and then began to identify as female and did so after Jhiaxus.

If she went back and forth between identifying as male and female, she'd be genderfluid, but has only identified as female for the last several million years, at least in IDW G1.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969025)
Posted by ciano on July 6th, 2018 @ 11:51am CDT

Short Circuit wrote:
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Do we know when/where the new Blast Off is getting released?

I pre-ordered him from robotkingdom a bit ago and received him yesterday.

Thanks! Although it looks like that's a UK site, shipping that thing to the US would cost as much as the figure! Yikes. I hope it comes out in the US soon.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969029)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:12pm CDT

Microraptor wrote:If I'm not mistaken, that makes them the first gender fluid transformer ever! Which is neat.

Takara Legends Overlord can be male or female depending on the Headmaster used for the toy's face.

And there might have been some others given here or here as well.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969032)
Posted by Hero Alpha on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:18pm CDT

So are the Amazon Nemesis Prime's being mailed out or not? Seems I've read both here. Also anyone who believes in "gender fluid" as a real thing, is a science-denier, hehe.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969036)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:23pm CDT

Moonshot wrote:So are the Amazon Nemesis Prime's being mailed out or not?

Not till at least Prime Day.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969038)
Posted by YoungPrime on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:26pm CDT

Ultimately "She's" whatever gender "Her" owner wants her to be. And since I wasn't found of the original G1 version, her being female works fine with me.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969040)
Posted by Cyrano on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:33pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:@cindersaur with Abominus- did anyone come up with an intergration of slash and volcanius?

This is what I did. The frame that the dinosaur hands are attached to cradles Grimlock’s t-rex chin nicely. Slash’s dinosaur legs insert between the combiner torso and the extra hands/prime armors very securely, while her legs frame the sides of the t-red head. I think it adds some nice bulk and fills some of the weirder gaps.

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Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969041)
Posted by Randomhero on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:37pm CDT

I will never understand the need to attach slash to Volcanicus...

Every stupid configuration just gives him a dick.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969045)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:51pm CDT

Randomhero wrote:I will never understand the need to attach slash to Volcanicus...

Uhm...did you not see my first comment about the backpack?

Randomhero wrote:Every stupid configuration just gives him a dick.

If that's the case, that's a really long...nevermind...

Anyway, nobody says you have to understand, or that you even need to do it. Some of the Combiners in CW had integration with legends figures, and some did not. As I said earlier, I like symmetry and completion (just one of my quirks), so I chose to assign an honorary legends figure to all my combiners (sans Devastator and Predaking). It's not a matter of right or wrong, just personal preference. Especially with the idea that Legends Wreck-Gar was originally planned to be paired up with Sky Reign shows there is a level of ambiguity and creativity that can be done. Some of the fan modes for CW Legends class seem straight up legitimate to me. Sure none of the fan modes for Slash have been as solid, and of course I know they were not designed to be, but they are good enough to satisfy my preferences.

Is there anybody that doesn't think Cindersaur is supposed to be a Terrorcon in PotP? It would have been nice to have some of the raptor remolded to look more "monstrous", but Hasbro is doing things as cheaply as possible currently. Sure nobody has to physically combine Cindersaur with Abominus, the toy is not designed for that, though I would like to, but combined or not, like Slash to the Dinobots, Cindersaur is obviously supposed to be a Terrorcon.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969048)
Posted by Cyrano on July 6th, 2018 @ 12:54pm CDT

Randomhero wrote:I will never understand the need to attach slash to Volcanicus...

Every stupid configuration just gives him a dick.

Hey thanks. Does the fact that you think my robot has a dick make you feel like you need to be one too? Always nice to get a reminder as to why I tend avoid interacting with this community.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969050)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:08pm CDT

I think the Cindersaur thing is just an error that comes form the original use of the mold like some have said. I'm not really sure why or how gender is even a thing in a species such as Transformers anyways (I'm not even sure what's the currently accepted ways they reproduce, the one that stuck in my mind the most was that whole somewhat disturbing budding thing from the G2 comics) and discussing it seems to just be one of those big ol' can of worms thing especially in this age. If Hasbro intended Cindersaur to be a she now for some reason, ok, else it's just an error.
(tried to word this the best way i could think of and i still worry i've done it wrong)

:michaelbay:

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969051)
Posted by Antz on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:11pm CDT

Black Hat wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.

You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

No. There is no discussion to be had. That's about as much "respect" as you're getting from me on that issue.

I'll say no more on the matter solely because you're an admin, but make no mistake, I'm not happy about seeing that kind of deviant drivel here.

Oh go cry about it some more.

Even as a straight cisgender dude I'm glad to see some LGBTQ elements enter the franchise. That makes it more "realistic" to me. And quite frankly children need to be exposed to these issues because these people will always, and have always been here, whether or not their mere existence triggers you.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969052)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:13pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:Is there anybody that doesn't think Cindersaur is supposed to be a Terrorcon in PotP? It would have been nice to have some of the raptor remolded to look more "monstrous", but Hasbro is doing things as cheaply as possible currently. Sure nobody has to physically combine Cindersaur with Abominus, the toy is not designed for that, though I would like to, but combined or not, like Slash to the Dinobots, Cindersaur is obviously supposed to be a Terrorcon.

*raises hand* Cindersaur is Firecon, not a Terrorcon. He's just there to give Slash her obligatory co-tool, he's this line Legends Wreck-Gar. :lol:

They did put in a detail based on G1 Cindersaur's horn, I'll give them that.

Speaking of co-tools, Legends figure co-tools are limited to just the head for some reason, plus the raptor head is gang-molded with the shoulder and back pieces, but not the head. There would have been no feasible way to effectively retool both the raptor head along with the robot one.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969053)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:16pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*raises hand* Cindersaur is Firecon, not a Terrorcon.

Ok I'll give you that...but since that gimmick from the original toy (spark shooting) no longer exists, I'm pretty sure Cindersaur exists not only to be the counter to Slash but to give the Terrorcons a 6th member.

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969055)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:17pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*raises hand* Cindersaur is Firecon, not a Terrorcon.

Ok I'll give you that...but since that gimmick from the original toy (spark shooting) no longer exists, I'm pretty sure Cindersaur exists not only to be the counter to Slash but to give the Terrorcons a 6th member.

Like how CW Sky Reign got one?

Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1969057)
Posted by o.supreme on July 6th, 2018 @ 1:22pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*raises hand* Cindersaur is Firecon, not a Terrorcon.

Ok I'll give you that...but since that gimmick from the original toy (spark shooting) no longer exists, I'm pretty sure Cindersaur exists not only to be the counter to Slash but to give the Terrorcons a 6th member.

Like how CW Sky Reign got one?