Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end
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Due to many films postponing their release due to the pandemic, everything is coming out all at once. So within the next month, we are getting The Little Mermaid, Into the Spiderverse, Elemental and The Flash with Rise of the Beasts in the middle of all that. And these films are not only big blockbusters but also all family friendly, making for some tough competition.
Be that as it may, the prediction from Deadline is a bold one, with an estimated $70 M domestic opening week-end. So that would be just for Canada and the US, and they remind us that these films have made more money in China than domestically so the film could make a bulk of its money overseas.
However, please remember that while China may sell a lot of tickets, the cinemas there retain a much bigger share of the price than in North America (Paramount would get around 40-50% of the ticket sales in NA and less in Asia).
The budget for Rise of the Beasts is estimated to be $200 Million before marketing. So the film would have to make around $500-$600 Million to break even (especially if the bulk of ticket sales comes from overseas). The Last Knight did manage to make 600 Million but Bumblebee did not. Let us know what your predictions are.
Be that as it may, the prediction from Deadline is a bold one, with an estimated $70 M domestic opening week-end. So that would be just for Canada and the US, and they remind us that these films have made more money in China than domestically so the film could make a bulk of its money overseas.
However, please remember that while China may sell a lot of tickets, the cinemas there retain a much bigger share of the price than in North America (Paramount would get around 40-50% of the ticket sales in NA and less in Asia).
The budget for Rise of the Beasts is estimated to be $200 Million before marketing. So the film would have to make around $500-$600 Million to break even (especially if the bulk of ticket sales comes from overseas). The Last Knight did manage to make 600 Million but Bumblebee did not. Let us know what your predictions are.
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Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161895)
Posted by DeathReviews on May 21st, 2023 @ 9:12pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on May 21st, 2023 @ 9:12pm CDT
It's hard to predict with certainty, since we live in a universe of infinite possibilities. But I think they're over-estimating, which is something the geniuses in Hollywood have been doing a lot recently. Especially if the producers and writers try to use the film as a soapbox to vent their personal hang-ups, which has also been a predictable (and annoying) habit of theirs.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161896)
Posted by First-Aid on May 21st, 2023 @ 10:46pm CDT
Though the movie gross is important, in a case like this I think there is more to it. This is more of a total package thing: movie sales PLUS toy sales PLUS merchandising. If the BB movie really did so poorly globally compared to its budget, why did Paramount make a sequel? Easy. Hasbro makes more than enough on toy and merchandising sales to compensate Paramount for however poorly the movie does at the theater. The movies are still glorified toy commercials....just with better special effects than the old days.
That said, I think $600 million globally is not out of reach for this movie. I predict a global gross of $701,225,306.43.
Posted by First-Aid on May 21st, 2023 @ 10:46pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:It's hard to predict with certainty, since we live in a universe of infinite possibilities. But I think they're over-estimating, which is something the geniuses in Hollywood have been doing a lot recently. Especially if the producers and writers try to use the film as a soapbox to vent their personal hang-ups, which has also been a predictable (and annoying) habit of theirs.
Though the movie gross is important, in a case like this I think there is more to it. This is more of a total package thing: movie sales PLUS toy sales PLUS merchandising. If the BB movie really did so poorly globally compared to its budget, why did Paramount make a sequel? Easy. Hasbro makes more than enough on toy and merchandising sales to compensate Paramount for however poorly the movie does at the theater. The movies are still glorified toy commercials....just with better special effects than the old days.
That said, I think $600 million globally is not out of reach for this movie. I predict a global gross of $701,225,306.43.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161906)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 12:49pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 12:49pm CDT
This will either be the biggest Transformers film in history or will crash and burn so badly that fans will be getting into knife fights in toy isles trying to get those Zuru mini-brand balls since those will be the only way to get new Transformers toys.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161912)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 22nd, 2023 @ 2:35pm CDT
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 22nd, 2023 @ 2:35pm CDT
No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161913)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 2:39pm CDT
What movie?
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 2:39pm CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161917)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 3:48pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 3:48pm CDT
Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161919)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 4:07pm CDT
They made a movie about that?
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 4:07pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161921)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 4:26pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 4:26pm CDT
What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161925)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 22nd, 2023 @ 5:06pm CDT
Transmorphers: The Rising of Marshawn Lynch's Big Day Out: Part 7.
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 22nd, 2023 @ 5:06pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
Transmorphers: The Rising of Marshawn Lynch's Big Day Out: Part 7.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161940)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 6:09pm CDT
Who's a movie?
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 6:09pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161942)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 6:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 6:17pm CDT
Who's on firstchuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161958)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 8:30pm CDT
What's on second?
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 8:30pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Who's on firstchuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
What's on second?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161959)
Posted by First-Aid on May 22nd, 2023 @ 8:31pm CDT
I DONT KNOW.
Posted by First-Aid on May 22nd, 2023 @ 8:31pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Who's on firstchuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
I DONT KNOW.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161966)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 10:18pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 22nd, 2023 @ 10:18pm CDT
Third baseFirst-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Who's on firstchuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
I DONT KNOW.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161967)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 10:20pm CDT
I love you guys, well some of you. I'll let you figure it all out.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 22nd, 2023 @ 10:20pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Third baseFirst-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Who's on firstchuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's a movie?chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Exactly!chuckdawg1999 wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:No one I talk to IRL knows this movie even exists.
What movie?
They made a movie about that?
Who's a movie?
I DONT KNOW.
I love you guys, well some of you. I'll let you figure it all out.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161968)
Posted by noctorro on May 23rd, 2023 @ 2:45am CDT
Posted by noctorro on May 23rd, 2023 @ 2:45am CDT
I'm hyped and I hope it's fun and does well.
Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
+ the trailer looks fun, but blurry and not sharp/realistic. So for not Transformers fans, I can imagine it looks like a weak Transformers/pixar animation movie instead of Dark of the Moon realistic looking practical effects spectacle but 10 years more advanced. Looking at the trailer it actually looks less than Transformers 1 from 2007, it looks more anime/game like in shots/action which is good.
I hope it does well, I hope the Transformers characters, have character and dialogue and not only toward humans. I do hope they incorporate humans and human areas (cities etc.). That battle scene looks very cool, but also very fully cg pixar. It's a bunch of cg animals fighting other cg robot animals in a muddy desert.
Keep it cool, keep it fun and also keep it serious (don't go full Marvel) and it will be a good movie. If it does well, I think it will break even at best. Too much competition and a bit too niche looking at the trailer, and cg just looks playstation 3, whilst we have already got a playstation 5.
Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
+ the trailer looks fun, but blurry and not sharp/realistic. So for not Transformers fans, I can imagine it looks like a weak Transformers/pixar animation movie instead of Dark of the Moon realistic looking practical effects spectacle but 10 years more advanced. Looking at the trailer it actually looks less than Transformers 1 from 2007, it looks more anime/game like in shots/action which is good.
I hope it does well, I hope the Transformers characters, have character and dialogue and not only toward humans. I do hope they incorporate humans and human areas (cities etc.). That battle scene looks very cool, but also very fully cg pixar. It's a bunch of cg animals fighting other cg robot animals in a muddy desert.
Keep it cool, keep it fun and also keep it serious (don't go full Marvel) and it will be a good movie. If it does well, I think it will break even at best. Too much competition and a bit too niche looking at the trailer, and cg just looks playstation 3, whilst we have already got a playstation 5.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161971)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 23rd, 2023 @ 6:53am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 23rd, 2023 @ 6:53am CDT
From this interview with ROTB’s composer, There will be themes from both Steve Jablonsky and the 86 movie in ROTB!
Super excited to hear some Bayverse music mixed in!
https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... utm_term=1
Super excited to hear some Bayverse music mixed in!
https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... utm_term=1
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161974)
Posted by First-Aid on May 23rd, 2023 @ 8:27am CDT
Outside of the rock in the 86 movie, there are few distinct riffs from that film....except one: the Unicron theme. I expect those parallel sixths from the Unicron Suite to pop up.
Posted by First-Aid on May 23rd, 2023 @ 8:27am CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:From this interview with ROTB’s composer, There will be themes from both Steve Jablonsky and the 86 movie in ROTB!
Super excited to hear some Bayverse music mixed in!
https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... utm_term=1
Outside of the rock in the 86 movie, there are few distinct riffs from that film....except one: the Unicron theme. I expect those parallel sixths from the Unicron Suite to pop up.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161978)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:16am CDT
The music that plays during the siege of Autobot City, when we're first introduced to Perceptor, sticks out in my mind as well.
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:16am CDT
First-Aid wrote:EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:From this interview with ROTB’s composer, There will be themes from both Steve Jablonsky and the 86 movie in ROTB!
Super excited to hear some Bayverse music mixed in!
https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... utm_term=1
Outside of the rock in the 86 movie, there are few distinct riffs from that film....except one: the Unicron theme. I expect those parallel sixths from the Unicron Suite to pop up.
The music that plays during the siege of Autobot City, when we're first introduced to Perceptor, sticks out in my mind as well.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161980)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:36am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:36am CDT
I imagine we’ll hear Arrival to Earth at some point (which would be awesome), but besides that, maybe we’ll hear Optimus and Bumblebee’s respective themes?
Hearing some of Steve Jablonsky’s themes again has made me even more excited to see ROTB, can’t wait!
Hearing some of Steve Jablonsky’s themes again has made me even more excited to see ROTB, can’t wait!
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2161981)
Posted by First-Aid on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:41am CDT
It does, but what's interesting is there doesn't seem to be one overriding theme for that music. It's frantic, fast, and changes quickly, but no one theme really repeats over and over like, for example, the Imperial march in Star Wars or the Indiana Jones theme (ALL HAIL JOHN WILLIAMS!). The Unicron theme however, was repeated multiple times very clearly. That's the main difference I see.
Posted by First-Aid on May 23rd, 2023 @ 11:41am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:First-Aid wrote:EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:From this interview with ROTB’s composer, There will be themes from both Steve Jablonsky and the 86 movie in ROTB!
Super excited to hear some Bayverse music mixed in!
https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... utm_term=1
Outside of the rock in the 86 movie, there are few distinct riffs from that film....except one: the Unicron theme. I expect those parallel sixths from the Unicron Suite to pop up.
The music that plays during the siege of Autobot City, when we're first introduced to Perceptor, sticks out in my mind as well.
It does, but what's interesting is there doesn't seem to be one overriding theme for that music. It's frantic, fast, and changes quickly, but no one theme really repeats over and over like, for example, the Imperial march in Star Wars or the Indiana Jones theme (ALL HAIL JOHN WILLIAMS!). The Unicron theme however, was repeated multiple times very clearly. That's the main difference I see.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162039)
Posted by Burn on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:52am CDT
Posted by Burn on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:52am CDT
Full track listing (apparently)
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/trans ... e-hip-hop/
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/trans ... e-hip-hop/
"Unicron Theme" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Movie (1986)
"C.R.E.A.M." Performed by Wu-Tang Clan
"Check The Rhime" Performed by A Tribe Called Quest
"Anything (Old Skool Radio Version)" Performed by SWV
"Scamba" Performed by Leslie Pintchik
"Represent" Performed by Nas
"Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat) – Agami Music Version" Performed by Digable Planets
"The Choice Is Yours" Performed by Black Sheep
"Groove Thang"
"Waterfalls"
"Carnaval de Qatqa"
"Huaylarsh"
"Saqraz de Paucartambo Cusco"
"Whoomp There It Is"
"Mama Said Knock You Out (Sam Wilkes Remix)"
Performed by LL Cool J
"Arrival to Earth" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007) Written by Steve Jablonsky
"No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007) Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Ending" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Last Knight (2017) Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Hypnotize" Performed by Notorious B.I.G.
"On My Soul" Performed by Tobe Nwigwe, Nas & Jacob Banks
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162042)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:42am CDT
Awesome!
Can’t wait to hear those tracks again!
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:42am CDT
Burn wrote:"Arrival to Earth" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007) Written by Steve Jablonsky
"No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007) Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Ending" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Last Knight (2017) Written by Steve Jablonsky
Awesome!
Can’t wait to hear those tracks again!
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162052)
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 9:00am CDT
...closes laptop with a smug "Damn I'm good" look on his face....
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 9:00am CDT
Burn wrote:Full track listing (apparently)
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/trans ... e-hip-hop/"Unicron Theme" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Movie (1986)
...closes laptop with a smug "Damn I'm good" look on his face....
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162058)
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 10:17am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 10:17am CDT
Paramount Pictures has released a playlist on Spotify for the tracks that will be featured (or that they planned on featuring) in the upcoming Transformers Rise of the Beasts film. As the trailers have shown, the film is going for am 90s urban theme, and the soundtrack will help boost that vibe with lots of rap and R&B from legends of the era.
We also see music cues from past Transformers films including the 86 film and the Bay films. This list is supposdly in the same order the songs will play in the film, which means that the theme song for the film by Tobe Nwigwe, Nas & Jacob Banks, will play in the credits.
"Unicron Theme" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Movie (1986)
Written by Vincent L. DiCola
"C.R.E.A.M."
Written by Isaac Hayes, David Porter, Gary E. Grice, Clifford Smith, Russell T. Jones, Robert F. Diggs, Dennis David Coles, Jason S. Hunter, Corey Woods & Lamont Hawkins
Performed by Wu-Tang Clan
Courtesy of Loud Records, LLC
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
Contains sample of "As Long As I've Got You"
Performed by The Charmels
Courtesy of Atlantic Recording Corp.
By arrangement with Warner Music Group Film & TV Licensing
"Check The Rhime"
Written by Roger Ball, Malcolm Duncan, Kamaal Fareed, Stephen Ferrone, Alan Gorrie, Alki Shaheed Jones, Owen McIntyre, Minne Ripperton, Richard Rudolph, James Stuart, Malik Taylor & Leon Ware
Performed by A Tribe Called Quest
Courtesy of RCA Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
"Anything (Old Skool Radio Version)"
Written by Brian Alexander Morgan, Tyrone Armstrong & Ray Anthony Smith
Performed by SWV
Courtesy of RCA Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
Contains sample of "Get Up And Dance" by Freedom
Courtesy of Malaco Records
"Scamba"
Written by Scott Hardy
Performed by Leslie Pintchik
Courtesy of Leslie Pintchik
License by Arrangement with Fine Gold Music
"Represent"
Written by Christopher E. Martin & Nasir Jones
Performed by Nas
Courtesy of Columbia Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
"Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat) – Agami Music Version"
Written by Ishmael R. Butler & Mary Ann Vieira
Performed by Digable Planets
Courtesy of Capitol Records
Under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"The Choice Is Yours"
Written by Andres Titus, William K. McLean, Ben Cauley, James Alexander, Allen Alvoid, Jr. Jones & Johnny Hammond
Performed by Black Sheep
Courtesy of Island Records
Under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"Groove Thang"
Written by Shereelynn Sarah Brown, Keir Lamont Gist, Charles C. Mims, Renée Neufville,
Patrice L. Rushen & Fred Douglas Washington
"Waterfalls"
Written by Patrick Brown, Marquez Ethridge, Raymon Ameer Murray, Rico Wade & Lisa Nicole Lopes
"Carnaval de Qatqa"
Traditional
"Huaylarsh"
Traditional
"Saqraz de Paucartambo Cusco"
Traditional
"Whoomp There It Is"
Written by Stephen Gibson & Cecil Lavel Glenn
"Mama Said Knock You Out (Sam Wilkes Remix)"
Written by Gregory E. Jacobs, James Todd Smith, Sylvester Stewart, Marlon Lu'Ree Williams, James Louis McCants, Leroy McCants, William Earl Collins, George Clinton, Jr. & Walter Morrison
Performed by LL Cool J
Courtesy of Def Jam Recordings under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"Arrival to Earth" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Ending" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Last Knight (2017)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Hypnotize"
Written by Randy Badazz Alpert, Deric Michael Angeletti, Andy W. Armer, Sean J. Combs, Ronald Anthony Lawrence & Christopher Wallace
Performed by Notorious B.I.G.
Courtesy of Bad Boy Records/Atlantic Recording Corp.
By arrangement with Warner Music Group Film & TV Licensing
"On My Soul"
Written by Tobe Nwigwe, Nasir Jones & Jacob Banks
Produced by The Good Stewards (Tobe Nwigwe, Nic Humes , Nick Baker)
Performed by Tobe Nwigwe, Nas & Jacob Banks
Courtesy of Tobe Nwigwe, LLC, Mass Appeal, Paramount Music & Nobody Records
We also see music cues from past Transformers films including the 86 film and the Bay films. This list is supposdly in the same order the songs will play in the film, which means that the theme song for the film by Tobe Nwigwe, Nas & Jacob Banks, will play in the credits.
"Unicron Theme" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Movie (1986)
Written by Vincent L. DiCola
"C.R.E.A.M."
Written by Isaac Hayes, David Porter, Gary E. Grice, Clifford Smith, Russell T. Jones, Robert F. Diggs, Dennis David Coles, Jason S. Hunter, Corey Woods & Lamont Hawkins
Performed by Wu-Tang Clan
Courtesy of Loud Records, LLC
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
Contains sample of "As Long As I've Got You"
Performed by The Charmels
Courtesy of Atlantic Recording Corp.
By arrangement with Warner Music Group Film & TV Licensing
"Check The Rhime"
Written by Roger Ball, Malcolm Duncan, Kamaal Fareed, Stephen Ferrone, Alan Gorrie, Alki Shaheed Jones, Owen McIntyre, Minne Ripperton, Richard Rudolph, James Stuart, Malik Taylor & Leon Ware
Performed by A Tribe Called Quest
Courtesy of RCA Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
"Anything (Old Skool Radio Version)"
Written by Brian Alexander Morgan, Tyrone Armstrong & Ray Anthony Smith
Performed by SWV
Courtesy of RCA Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
Contains sample of "Get Up And Dance" by Freedom
Courtesy of Malaco Records
"Scamba"
Written by Scott Hardy
Performed by Leslie Pintchik
Courtesy of Leslie Pintchik
License by Arrangement with Fine Gold Music
"Represent"
Written by Christopher E. Martin & Nasir Jones
Performed by Nas
Courtesy of Columbia Records
By arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
"Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat) – Agami Music Version"
Written by Ishmael R. Butler & Mary Ann Vieira
Performed by Digable Planets
Courtesy of Capitol Records
Under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"The Choice Is Yours"
Written by Andres Titus, William K. McLean, Ben Cauley, James Alexander, Allen Alvoid, Jr. Jones & Johnny Hammond
Performed by Black Sheep
Courtesy of Island Records
Under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"Groove Thang"
Written by Shereelynn Sarah Brown, Keir Lamont Gist, Charles C. Mims, Renée Neufville,
Patrice L. Rushen & Fred Douglas Washington
"Waterfalls"
Written by Patrick Brown, Marquez Ethridge, Raymon Ameer Murray, Rico Wade & Lisa Nicole Lopes
"Carnaval de Qatqa"
Traditional
"Huaylarsh"
Traditional
"Saqraz de Paucartambo Cusco"
Traditional
"Whoomp There It Is"
Written by Stephen Gibson & Cecil Lavel Glenn
"Mama Said Knock You Out (Sam Wilkes Remix)"
Written by Gregory E. Jacobs, James Todd Smith, Sylvester Stewart, Marlon Lu'Ree Williams, James Louis McCants, Leroy McCants, William Earl Collins, George Clinton, Jr. & Walter Morrison
Performed by LL Cool J
Courtesy of Def Jam Recordings under license from Universal Music Enterprises
"Arrival to Earth" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the Motion Picture Transformers (2007)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Ending" from the Motion Picture Transformers: The Last Knight (2017)
Written by Steve Jablonsky
"Hypnotize"
Written by Randy Badazz Alpert, Deric Michael Angeletti, Andy W. Armer, Sean J. Combs, Ronald Anthony Lawrence & Christopher Wallace
Performed by Notorious B.I.G.
Courtesy of Bad Boy Records/Atlantic Recording Corp.
By arrangement with Warner Music Group Film & TV Licensing
"On My Soul"
Written by Tobe Nwigwe, Nasir Jones & Jacob Banks
Produced by The Good Stewards (Tobe Nwigwe, Nic Humes , Nick Baker)
Performed by Tobe Nwigwe, Nas & Jacob Banks
Courtesy of Tobe Nwigwe, LLC, Mass Appeal, Paramount Music & Nobody Records
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162066)
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:19pm CDT
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:19pm CDT
Arrival To Earth and Unicron themes will be very cool to hear! I was hoping for the original Bayverse Decepticon theme as well, but see how this wouldn't be the movie for that (if they are indeed ever bringing it back).
Tbh I've seen a lot of, uh, interesting takes on this topic but this is the first time I've seen inclusion of non-white people in a movie as being a virus.
Kinda jarring to see hateful rhetoric like that in a forum about transforming robots, but oh well.
noctorro wrote:Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
Tbh I've seen a lot of, uh, interesting takes on this topic but this is the first time I've seen inclusion of non-white people in a movie as being a virus.
Kinda jarring to see hateful rhetoric like that in a forum about transforming robots, but oh well.
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Posted by griftimus prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:45pm CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:45pm CDT
unoriginal as hell. i love the unicron theme. i have all of the versions of the soundtrack on cd. but i want to hear something new in this. also just recycling a bunch of jablonkys music sounds really cheap. just hire the guy to do a new score.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:51pm CDT
He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story. Nothing wrong with equality, race,, etc. Honestly, I'm not homophobic, racist, etc, I just don't care about it UNLESS it overrides the story. I think his worry is that race will BECOME the story and not the Transformers. It could be an element, but it shouldn't BE the story. Culture/race/etc could be the backdrop/setting, but in the case of ROTB it shouldn't overshadow the fact that there are giant f--king robots trying to blow the snot out of each other.
Hopefully I'm wording it better and it makes more sense. Please let me know if I'm not. It's really hard to explain this...it's like walking on eggshells. And I'm generally pretty crappy at explaining things that aren't related to medicine...
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 12:51pm CDT
Cheesinator wrote:Arrival To Earth and Unicron themes will be very cool to hear! I was hoping for the original Bayverse Decepticon theme as well, but see how this wouldn't be the movie for that (if they are indeed ever bringing it back).noctorro wrote:Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
Tbh I've seen a lot of, uh, interesting takes on this topic but this is the first time I've seen inclusion of non-white people in a movie as being a virus.
Kinda jarring to see hateful rhetoric like that in a forum about transforming robots, but oh well.
He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story. Nothing wrong with equality, race,, etc. Honestly, I'm not homophobic, racist, etc, I just don't care about it UNLESS it overrides the story. I think his worry is that race will BECOME the story and not the Transformers. It could be an element, but it shouldn't BE the story. Culture/race/etc could be the backdrop/setting, but in the case of ROTB it shouldn't overshadow the fact that there are giant f--king robots trying to blow the snot out of each other.
Hopefully I'm wording it better and it makes more sense. Please let me know if I'm not. It's really hard to explain this...it's like walking on eggshells. And I'm generally pretty crappy at explaining things that aren't related to medicine...
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Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 1:48pm CDT
That does make more sense, but (unless I'm misunderstanding) I don't get how the issue could be wokeness itself, rather than the same issue *every* live action Transformers movies has had wherein the humans take up the bulk of the screentime and provide the skeleton of the story that the Transformer-related setpieces are placed around.
Whether it's LeBouf fumbling through his romances and quirky family, Wahlberg dysfunction with his daughter or being an Arthurian knight or something (I barely paid attention to TLK), or Hailee Steinfeld dealing with the loss of her dad...the core story of the movies has always heavily involved humans and their drama, with the big robot fights being almost totally unrelated. So it seems a bit odd if someone only has a major issue with that now when the only difference seems to be that the human drama is about race (and as far as we know, that isn't even the case in ROTB; we just know the main characters are nonwhite and will do nonwhite things).
(All that said, I'd also prefer human action is kept to a minimum if it means more robot interactions)
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 1:48pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Cheesinator wrote:noctorro wrote:Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
Tbh I've seen a lot of, uh, interesting takes on this topic but this is the first time I've seen inclusion of non-white people in a movie as being a virus.
Kinda jarring to see hateful rhetoric like that in a forum about transforming robots, but oh well.
He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story. Nothing wrong with equality, race,, etc. Honestly, I'm not homophobic, racist, etc, I just don't care about it UNLESS it overrides the story. I think his worry is that race will BECOME the story and not the Transformers. It could be an element, but it shouldn't BE the story. Culture/race/etc could be the backdrop/setting, but in the case of ROTB it shouldn't overshadow the fact that there are giant f--king robots trying to blow the snot out of each other.
Hopefully I'm wording it better and it makes more sense. Please let me know if I'm not. It's really hard to explain this...it's like walking on eggshells. And I'm generally pretty crappy at explaining things that aren't related to medicine...
That does make more sense, but (unless I'm misunderstanding) I don't get how the issue could be wokeness itself, rather than the same issue *every* live action Transformers movies has had wherein the humans take up the bulk of the screentime and provide the skeleton of the story that the Transformer-related setpieces are placed around.
Whether it's LeBouf fumbling through his romances and quirky family, Wahlberg dysfunction with his daughter or being an Arthurian knight or something (I barely paid attention to TLK), or Hailee Steinfeld dealing with the loss of her dad...the core story of the movies has always heavily involved humans and their drama, with the big robot fights being almost totally unrelated. So it seems a bit odd if someone only has a major issue with that now when the only difference seems to be that the human drama is about race (and as far as we know, that isn't even the case in ROTB; we just know the main characters are nonwhite and will do nonwhite things).
(All that said, I'd also prefer human action is kept to a minimum if it means more robot interactions)
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Posted by Kamijou Touma on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:32pm CDT
Posted by Kamijou Touma on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:32pm CDT
The music of the TF live action movies makes me appreciate the 86 movie music all the more. The music is just awful.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:45pm CDT
I agree. It's confusing. The drama is there, yes, and that has always been the problem with the live actions movies.
Personally, the grammar-jerk in me hates the words homophobia, Islamophobia, etc because of, you know, the meaning of phobia being "clinically afraid or terrified of". Like arachnophobia. Or anthrophobia. Or Aquaphobia. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT! READ THE DICTIONARY! (and yes I know the meaning have been amended, but that's because of masses of ignorant people USING THE WORD WRONG! GRAMMAR, PEOPLE!!!) #wordcrimes #petpeeve
I'm more a fan of apatheaia.
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 2:45pm CDT
Cheesinator wrote:First-Aid wrote:Cheesinator wrote:noctorro wrote:Now being realistic, I heard from a couple of directions that the movie has that thick modern layer of wokeness. People aren't eating that anymore and there is already a shift back to normal/good. But since delays that virus could still be in this movie.
Tbh I've seen a lot of, uh, interesting takes on this topic but this is the first time I've seen inclusion of non-white people in a movie as being a virus.
Kinda jarring to see hateful rhetoric like that in a forum about transforming robots, but oh well.
He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story. Nothing wrong with equality, race,, etc. Honestly, I'm not homophobic, racist, etc, I just don't care about it UNLESS it overrides the story. I think his worry is that race will BECOME the story and not the Transformers. It could be an element, but it shouldn't BE the story. Culture/race/etc could be the backdrop/setting, but in the case of ROTB it shouldn't overshadow the fact that there are giant f--king robots trying to blow the snot out of each other.
Hopefully I'm wording it better and it makes more sense. Please let me know if I'm not. It's really hard to explain this...it's like walking on eggshells. And I'm generally pretty crappy at explaining things that aren't related to medicine...
That does make more sense, but (unless I'm misunderstanding) I don't get how the issue could be wokeness itself, rather than the same issue *every* live action Transformers movies has had wherein the humans take up the bulk of the screentime and provide the skeleton of the story that the Transformer-related setpieces are placed around.
Whether it's LeBouf fumbling through his romances and quirky family, Wahlberg dysfunction with his daughter or being an Arthurian knight or something (I barely paid attention to TLK), or Hailee Steinfeld dealing with the loss of her dad...the core story of the movies has always heavily involved humans and their drama, with the big robot fights being almost totally unrelated. So it seems a bit odd if someone only has a major issue with that now when the only difference seems to be that the human drama is about race (and as far as we know, that isn't even the case in ROTB; we just know the main characters are nonwhite and will do nonwhite things).
(All that said, I'd also prefer human action is kept to a minimum if it means more robot interactions)
I agree. It's confusing. The drama is there, yes, and that has always been the problem with the live actions movies.
Personally, the grammar-jerk in me hates the words homophobia, Islamophobia, etc because of, you know, the meaning of phobia being "clinically afraid or terrified of". Like arachnophobia. Or anthrophobia. Or Aquaphobia. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT! READ THE DICTIONARY! (and yes I know the meaning have been amended, but that's because of masses of ignorant people USING THE WORD WRONG! GRAMMAR, PEOPLE!!!) #wordcrimes #petpeeve
I'm more a fan of apatheaia.
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Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:05pm CDT
The story is about the terrorcons trying to get a mcguffin to bring unicron to earth, and the autobots and maximals teaming up to stop them.
The only thing "woke" about the film is that this time it stars black and latino people as the main human characters, rather than white ones. We will see their struggles, just as we saw the struggles of past white protagonists. If that's enough to be considered woke than that tells me that the word "woke" has lost all meaning. And yes, wording it that way is a really easy way to stick out in a very unfavourable fashion.
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:05pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story.
The story is about the terrorcons trying to get a mcguffin to bring unicron to earth, and the autobots and maximals teaming up to stop them.
The only thing "woke" about the film is that this time it stars black and latino people as the main human characters, rather than white ones. We will see their struggles, just as we saw the struggles of past white protagonists. If that's enough to be considered woke than that tells me that the word "woke" has lost all meaning. And yes, wording it that way is a really easy way to stick out in a very unfavourable fashion.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:12pm CDT
True. The cast makes sense based on the primary location of the movie, just like the last one did.
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:12pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:The only thing "woke" about the film is that this time it stars black and latino people as the main human characters, rather than white ones. We will see their struggles, just as we saw the struggles of past white protagonists.
True. The cast makes sense based on the primary location of the movie, just like the last one did.
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Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:20pm CDT
IMO, this is just a symptom of bias due to the movies themselves. We know full well a lot of people (on here especially) are heavily biased towards the '86 movie and heavily biased against anything related to the live action movie. I personally think the scores for several of the live action movies are excellent (Steve Jablonsky is da man), and dismissing them just because you dislike the movie is irrational.
And 'What I've Done' was unironically my jam back when the first live action movie came out.
Exactly. Maybe all of the trailers are somehow deeply misleading with Unicron and the Terrorcons actually being very minor, and the big battle scenes we see are actually all fought over human race issues...but I seriously doubt that, and nothing so far has indicated that to be the case. We know so little about the human plot at the moment, that anyone using 'woke' as a serious criticism is exposing themselves pretty blatantly.
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:20pm CDT
Kamijou Touma wrote:The music of the TF live action movies makes me appreciate the 86 movie music all the more. The music is just awful.
IMO, this is just a symptom of bias due to the movies themselves. We know full well a lot of people (on here especially) are heavily biased towards the '86 movie and heavily biased against anything related to the live action movie. I personally think the scores for several of the live action movies are excellent (Steve Jablonsky is da man), and dismissing them just because you dislike the movie is irrational.
And 'What I've Done' was unironically my jam back when the first live action movie came out.
william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:He worded it horribly but I suspect what he means is that the stereotypical "Wokeness" is significant enough that it becomes the story.
The only thing "woke" about the film is that this time it stars black and latino people as the main human characters, rather than white ones. We will see their struggles, just as we saw the struggles of past white protagonists. If that's enough to be considered woke than that tells me that the word "woke" has lost all meaning.
Exactly. Maybe all of the trailers are somehow deeply misleading with Unicron and the Terrorcons actually being very minor, and the big battle scenes we see are actually all fought over human race issues...but I seriously doubt that, and nothing so far has indicated that to be the case. We know so little about the human plot at the moment, that anyone using 'woke' as a serious criticism is exposing themselves pretty blatantly.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:54pm CDT
Not necessarily. Many people are dealing with a perceived overdose of it right now. It could be paranoia that it's going to affect the plot. It may simply be paranoia. I freely admit though that at some point TV and movies became more about "teaching lessons" on things that most people already know than about the escape from reality or the art; it detracts from the fun of the movie/show.
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 3:54pm CDT
Cheesinator wrote: We know so little about the human plot at the moment, that anyone using 'woke' as a serious criticism is exposing themselves pretty blatantly.
Not necessarily. Many people are dealing with a perceived overdose of it right now. It could be paranoia that it's going to affect the plot. It may simply be paranoia. I freely admit though that at some point TV and movies became more about "teaching lessons" on things that most people already know than about the escape from reality or the art; it detracts from the fun of the movie/show.
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Posted by Burn on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:14pm CDT
Posted by Burn on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:14pm CDT
I honestly don't get why having people of different ethnicities in leading roles = wokeness. It's just plain fucking stupid.
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Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
But isn't that exactly the point? Literally all we know at the moment is that the leads will be nonwhite, and if that alone makes you "paranoid" that the film is going to be "woke" (and that being woke is a bad thing), it says something about you rather than woke-ism.
Also, TV/movies have *always* been about teaching lessons. Basic morality stuff like good vs bad and right vs wrong have permeated most media (especially children's media, ESPECIALLY heroes vs villains stuff like Transformers) since their inception. Again, the fact that people only get angry when the lesson being taught might be "don't hate other races" is reflective of them rather than any perceived change in media. You guys can't pretend that basic lessons in morality being in the shows/movies is the thing you have a problem with.
Hell, Transformers itself has been portraying the Decepticons as bad guys purely on the basis that they view other races as lesser for years.
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Cheesinator wrote: We know so little about the human plot at the moment, that anyone using 'woke' as a serious criticism is exposing themselves pretty blatantly.
Not necessarily. Many people are dealing with a perceived overdose of it right now. It could be paranoia that it's going to affect the plot. It may simply be paranoia. I freely admit though that at some point TV and movies became more about "teaching lessons" on things that most people already know than about the escape from reality or the art; it detracts from the fun of the movie/show.
But isn't that exactly the point? Literally all we know at the moment is that the leads will be nonwhite, and if that alone makes you "paranoid" that the film is going to be "woke" (and that being woke is a bad thing), it says something about you rather than woke-ism.
Also, TV/movies have *always* been about teaching lessons. Basic morality stuff like good vs bad and right vs wrong have permeated most media (especially children's media, ESPECIALLY heroes vs villains stuff like Transformers) since their inception. Again, the fact that people only get angry when the lesson being taught might be "don't hate other races" is reflective of them rather than any perceived change in media. You guys can't pretend that basic lessons in morality being in the shows/movies is the thing you have a problem with.
Hell, Transformers itself has been portraying the Decepticons as bad guys purely on the basis that they view other races as lesser for years.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
The "wokeness" is turning this into something "extraordinary", "groundbreaking", "so stunning", "so brave", when it's none of the above.
The woke will go full "LOOK, LOOK, I CAST COLORED PEOPLE IN MY THING!" with religious fervor.
It's done in a way to appear virtuous. Like a tartuffe bragging his piousness.
THAT'S the "woke".
There's tons of movies starring non-white people all the time and none make a fuss about it. But the woke will point the mundane as something "incredible" just to get some virtue points.
The woke will point that the sun appear in their movie as something "brave and groundbreaking". Then we will point and laugh at this. It won't make us "anti-sun."
That's what we're saying in a more or less awkward fashion.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:23pm CDT
Burn wrote:I honestly don't get why having people of different ethnicities in leading roles = wokeness. It's just plain **** stupid.
The "wokeness" is turning this into something "extraordinary", "groundbreaking", "so stunning", "so brave", when it's none of the above.
The woke will go full "LOOK, LOOK, I CAST COLORED PEOPLE IN MY THING!" with religious fervor.
It's done in a way to appear virtuous. Like a tartuffe bragging his piousness.
THAT'S the "woke".
There's tons of movies starring non-white people all the time and none make a fuss about it. But the woke will point the mundane as something "incredible" just to get some virtue points.
The woke will point that the sun appear in their movie as something "brave and groundbreaking". Then we will point and laugh at this. It won't make us "anti-sun."
That's what we're saying in a more or less awkward fashion.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:29pm CDT
Previously I stated that the Transformers story itself might suffer for it (much like it did in previous films), but with all the details released already, the movie might be worth a watch on streaming sometime.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:29pm CDT
It might be when the director himself stated that "this film will be for black and brown people." That's a quote from 1 of the early pages of this thread. As in, whites f**k off. At least he has the backbone to come out and say it outright that that's the agenda here. The music selection just solidifies it even more.Burn wrote:I honestly don't get why having people of different ethnicities in leading roles = wokeness. It's just plain **** stupid.
Previously I stated that the Transformers story itself might suffer for it (much like it did in previous films), but with all the details released already, the movie might be worth a watch on streaming sometime.
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Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:34pm CDT
Simply portraying cultures of black and brown people is not really the same as "whites fuck off". In the same way portraying white families (and their cultures) in the previous movies was not a "POC fuck off".
Just to be clear, would you prefer that all films have only (or at least predominantly) white casts? And any deviance would be 'woke'?
Oof, bringing religious fervor into it and saying that it's the woke side that are guilty of it. That seems very tone-deaf, especially these days.
Also, deeply ironic way of describing 'woke' when no one in this thread is saying anything about nonwhite people being cast in the movie as some great thing, but you and others apparently have some major issue with it. Like, why blame the (nonexistent in this thread) "woke people"? Just say what you really feel about the casting and be up front about it, at least.
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:34pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:It might be when the director himself stated that "this film will be for black and brown people." That's a quote from 1 of the early pages of this thread. As in, whites f**k off. At least he has the backbone to come out and say it outright that that's the agenda here. The music selection just solidifies it even more.
Previously I stated that the Transformers story itself might suffer for it (much like it did in previous films), but with all the details released already, the movie might be worth a watch on streaming sometime.
Simply portraying cultures of black and brown people is not really the same as "whites fuck off". In the same way portraying white families (and their cultures) in the previous movies was not a "POC fuck off".
Just to be clear, would you prefer that all films have only (or at least predominantly) white casts? And any deviance would be 'woke'?
-Kanrabat- wrote:Burn wrote:I honestly don't get why having people of different ethnicities in leading roles = wokeness. It's just plain **** stupid.
The "wokeness" is turning this into something "extraordinary", "groundbreaking", "so stunning", "so brave", when it's none of the above.
The woke will go full "LOOK, LOOK, I CAST COLORED PEOPLE IN MY THING!" with religious fervor.
Oof, bringing religious fervor into it and saying that it's the woke side that are guilty of it. That seems very tone-deaf, especially these days.
Also, deeply ironic way of describing 'woke' when no one in this thread is saying anything about nonwhite people being cast in the movie as some great thing, but you and others apparently have some major issue with it. Like, why blame the (nonexistent in this thread) "woke people"? Just say what you really feel about the casting and be up front about it, at least.
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Posted by zko on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:39pm CDT
Posted by zko on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:39pm CDT
This is gonna be the best movie since "The Crow: City Of Angels", now I want to see it in iMAX.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:46pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:46pm CDT
Kay...let's focus again!
Unicron theme. I called it. That was me.
Unicron theme. I called it. That was me.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:47pm CDT
Have you read the interviews of that director?
He's race-baiting like there's no tomorrow. THAT'S "wokeness". The woke will defend any positions, as long that it follow the ALGORITHM of what is "virtuous" to say. It's a religion of chaos with ever changing rules.
The proof is if any woman speak against feminism, any gay person speak against the overreach of the LGBT "community", or any black people speak against race-grifting and/or the victimhood mentality, they all get "excommunicated" by their "friends".
It's very easy to call us "racist" or any "ism" when we disagree with your ideology. It's the same with a hardcore Christian who see the "devil" everywhere.
Dare to seek out more information about what you believe in. You'll see.
Or just stay as you are. The woke "goal posts" will move and suddenly, you'll "sin" by believing the same thing you always believed in. Then it will be your turn to be called a "ism" and you'll not even know why.
Also, what I TRULY feel about the casting?
I
Do
NOT
CARE.
I never cared about Hollywood actors appart my classics from my childhood like Arnie, Tome Select, Danny DeVito, and more. Those young and new actors? I know none nor care about them since at least 30 years.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:47pm CDT
Cheesinator wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Burn wrote:I honestly don't get why having people of different ethnicities in leading roles = wokeness. It's just plain **** stupid.
The "wokeness" is turning this into something "extraordinary", "groundbreaking", "so stunning", "so brave", when it's none of the above.
The woke will go full "LOOK, LOOK, I CAST COLORED PEOPLE IN MY THING!" with religious fervor.
Oof, bringing religious fervor into it and saying that it's the woke side that are guilty of it. That seems very tone-deaf, especially these days.
Also, deeply ironic way of describing 'woke' when no one in this thread is saying anything about nonwhite people being cast in the movie as some great thing, but you and others apparently have some major issue with it. Like, why blame the (nonexistent in this thread) "woke people"? Just say what you really feel about the casting and be up front about it, at least.
Have you read the interviews of that director?
He's race-baiting like there's no tomorrow. THAT'S "wokeness". The woke will defend any positions, as long that it follow the ALGORITHM of what is "virtuous" to say. It's a religion of chaos with ever changing rules.
The proof is if any woman speak against feminism, any gay person speak against the overreach of the LGBT "community", or any black people speak against race-grifting and/or the victimhood mentality, they all get "excommunicated" by their "friends".
It's very easy to call us "racist" or any "ism" when we disagree with your ideology. It's the same with a hardcore Christian who see the "devil" everywhere.
Dare to seek out more information about what you believe in. You'll see.
Or just stay as you are. The woke "goal posts" will move and suddenly, you'll "sin" by believing the same thing you always believed in. Then it will be your turn to be called a "ism" and you'll not even know why.
Also, what I TRULY feel about the casting?
I
Do
NOT
CARE.
I never cared about Hollywood actors appart my classics from my childhood like Arnie, Tome Select, Danny DeVito, and more. Those young and new actors? I know none nor care about them since at least 30 years.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162101)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:50pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:50pm CDT
It might as well be when a creator of the presentation at hand outright states that the setting and story is done specifically due to the involvement of those cultures.Cheesinator wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:It might be when the director himself stated that "this film will be for black and brown people." That's a quote from 1 of the early pages of this thread. As in, whites f**k off. At least he has the backbone to come out and say it outright that that's the agenda here. The music selection just solidifies it even more.
Previously I stated that the Transformers story itself might suffer for it (much like it did in previous films), but with all the details released already, the movie might be worth a watch on streaming sometime.
Simply portraying cultures of black and brown people is not really the same as "whites **** off". In the same way portraying white families (and their cultures) in the previous movies was not a "POC **** off".
Of course not. I enjoy a lot of movies and TV shows that have majority non-white casts. But when a story is done for the purpose of appealing only to a select segment of the population, at the expense of previously established stories and characters, that is wrong.Just to be clear, would you prefer that all films have only (or at least predominantly) white casts? And any deviance would be 'woke'?
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162102)
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CDT
Stories have always been about teaching lessons. The change between then and now is the media and political coverage. People are simply being manipulated by the media to create an us vs them scenario to boost paranoia, consumerism, and allegiance to a certain party or idealogy and it spreads to every facet of entertainment. It's more prominant in the US due to the 2 party system, so the binary nature of political issues.
You see that less in other countries. People just need to think for themselves.
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:53pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Cheesinator wrote: We know so little about the human plot at the moment, that anyone using 'woke' as a serious criticism is exposing themselves pretty blatantly.
Not necessarily. Many people are dealing with a perceived overdose of it right now. It could be paranoia that it's going to affect the plot. It may simply be paranoia. I freely admit though that at some point TV and movies became more about "teaching lessons" on things that most people already know than about the escape from reality or the art; it detracts from the fun of the movie/show.
Stories have always been about teaching lessons. The change between then and now is the media and political coverage. People are simply being manipulated by the media to create an us vs them scenario to boost paranoia, consumerism, and allegiance to a certain party or idealogy and it spreads to every facet of entertainment. It's more prominant in the US due to the 2 party system, so the binary nature of political issues.
You see that less in other countries. People just need to think for themselves.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162103)
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:55pm CDT
How is this gearing up to be any different to the predominantly white areas/casts we saw in previous films? ROTB is apparently gonna feature areas with different demographics. There are a lot of those in America (and the rest of the world).
I'll annoyed too if they do something weird and portray the whole country/planet as nonwhite, but showing a black kid have a black family and live in a predominantly black neighbourhood is really no different to anything we've seen before in Transformers. Except you guys had no issues with it then.
And...we still have zero evidence any of this will effect the Transformers plot (same as the prior movies)
Look man, you hate wokeism and that's fine (or at least, has nothing to do with Transformers). As long as you're not hurting anyone, it's all good and there's really no need to unpack it here.
Until we know anything more about the movie other than 'the leads are nonwhite', this all seems a little unnecessary though.
I'll be annoyed too if the entire plot of the movie is about racial struggles between humans...but I really, really do not see Unicron and the Terrorcons factoring into that.
Posted by Cheesinator on May 24th, 2023 @ 5:55pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:It might as well be when a creator of the presentation at hand outright states that the setting and story is done specifically due to the involvement of those cultures.Cheesinator wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:It might be when the director himself stated that "this film will be for black and brown people." That's a quote from 1 of the early pages of this thread. As in, whites f**k off. At least he has the backbone to come out and say it outright that that's the agenda here. The music selection just solidifies it even more.
Previously I stated that the Transformers story itself might suffer for it (much like it did in previous films), but with all the details released already, the movie might be worth a watch on streaming sometime.
Simply portraying cultures of black and brown people is not really the same as "whites **** off". In the same way portraying white families (and their cultures) in the previous movies was not a "POC **** off".Of course not. I enjoy a lot of movies and TV shows that have majority non-white casts. But when a story is done for the purpose of appealing only to a select segment of the population, at the expense of previously established stories and characters, that is wrong.Just to be clear, would you prefer that all films have only (or at least predominantly) white casts? And any deviance would be 'woke'?
How is this gearing up to be any different to the predominantly white areas/casts we saw in previous films? ROTB is apparently gonna feature areas with different demographics. There are a lot of those in America (and the rest of the world).
I'll annoyed too if they do something weird and portray the whole country/planet as nonwhite, but showing a black kid have a black family and live in a predominantly black neighbourhood is really no different to anything we've seen before in Transformers. Except you guys had no issues with it then.
And...we still have zero evidence any of this will effect the Transformers plot (same as the prior movies)
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Have you read the interviews of that director?
He's race-baiting like there's no tomorrow. THAT'S "wokeness". The woke will defend any positions, as long that it follow the ALGORITHM of what is "virtuous" to say. It's a religion of chaos with ever changing rules.
The proof is if any woman speak against feminism, any gay person speak against the overreach of the LGBT "community", or any black people speak against race-grifting and/or the victimhood mentality, they all get "excommunicated" by their "friends".
It's very easy to call us "racist" or any "ism" when we disagree with your ideology. It's the same with a hardcore Christian who see the "devil" everywhere.
Dare to seek out more information about what you believe in. You'll see.
Or just stay as you are. The woke "goal posts" will move and suddenly, you'll "sin" by believing the same thing you always believed in. Then it will be your turn to be called a "ism" and you'll not even know why.
Look man, you hate wokeism and that's fine (or at least, has nothing to do with Transformers). As long as you're not hurting anyone, it's all good and there's really no need to unpack it here.
Until we know anything more about the movie other than 'the leads are nonwhite', this all seems a little unnecessary though.
I'll be annoyed too if the entire plot of the movie is about racial struggles between humans...but I really, really do not see Unicron and the Terrorcons factoring into that.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162106)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CDT
The only bad thing here is the director appear to be quite the racist in his interviews.
I just hope that it will not be reflected into the movie. (Like that "white privilege line in The Batman".
Artists can be assh0les all they want. Their assh0lery will be called out.
But in the end, if they make a good product, I'll not stop myself from enjoying it.
¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 24th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CDT
Cheesinator wrote:Look man, you hate wokeism and that's fine (or at least, has nothing to do with Transformers). As long as you're not hurting anyone, it's all good and there's really no need to unpack it here.
Until we know anything more about the movie other than 'the leads are nonwhite', this all seems a little unnecessary though.
I'll be annoyed too if the entire plot of the movie is about racial struggles between humans...but I really, really do not see Unicron and the Terrorcons factoring into that.
The only bad thing here is the director appear to be quite the racist in his interviews.
I just hope that it will not be reflected into the movie. (Like that "white privilege line in The Batman".
Artists can be assh0les all they want. Their assh0lery will be called out.
But in the end, if they make a good product, I'll not stop myself from enjoying it.
¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162109)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 6:12pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 24th, 2023 @ 6:12pm CDT
Because Michael Bay didn't come out and say "this movie will be for whites" before any of the movies he directed. Neither did Travis Knight before Bumblebee, which had a non-white main character as well. Steven Caple should have taken a clue from them and kept his racist trap shut.Cheesinator wrote:How is this gearing up to be any different to the predominantly white areas/casts we saw in previous films? ROTB is apparently gonna feature areas with different demographics. There are a lot of those in America (and the rest of the world).
I don't have the problem with the cast itself. My problem is with the reason for the casting, which the director himself admitted to. The actors are in it because they're minorities, not because they might be good actors. The human parts of the film are set in minority-dominated settings, not because Transformers might interact with them the same as other cultures, which is perfectly plausible, but because of the fact that they are minority-dominated settings. Do you understand the difference?I'll annoyed too if they do something weird and portray the whole country/planet as nonwhite, but showing a black kid have a black family and live in a predominantly black neighbourhood is really no different to anything we've seen before in Transformers. Except you guys had no issues with it then.
Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162131)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 24th, 2023 @ 8:56pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 24th, 2023 @ 8:56pm CDT
Warnings have been issued to multiple users.
You have all been warned, and I am tired of you ignoring the site and staff directives and going off topic and polluting the actual movie discussion.
The very next post off topic from the actual movie content, for example the very next post that has the word "woke" in it in any capacity, will result in immediate suspensions.
Stay. On. Topic.
You have all been warned, and I am tired of you ignoring the site and staff directives and going off topic and polluting the actual movie discussion.
The very next post off topic from the actual movie content, for example the very next post that has the word "woke" in it in any capacity, will result in immediate suspensions.
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Re: Box Office Prediction for Rise of the Beasts Peg it with $70M for its Domestic Opening Week-end (2162139)
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 10:30pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on May 24th, 2023 @ 10:30pm CDT
If anyone is curious about what the advantages are of being a newstaff, it is that you can end up being in the thick of promotions, and having a closer relationship with Hasbro's PR team and stuff of such, you make what you want and can from it. Case in point, I just had an interview with someone from the film, which I can't post until the film's release. So I know the details on several key points that are not at all in any of the trailers. Just to say that there is more to the film than what we have seen. I will say two things though:
1. From what I was told, there is nothing tieing it with the Bay movies, plot wise, but there is also nothing in preventing it from tieing in later. If they want to tie it in with some and ignore TLK, for instance, they can and will. So it is still not a reboot as of yet, Paramount is not willing to commit to anything remotely close to that. It's just another adventure in this live action franchise.
2. This film will have more focus on the bots as characters than ever before. There will be familial relationships explored among the human cast, and there will be a focus on it, something that has not been highlighted in the trailers, but there will still be more emphasis on the bots than before. They will not be secondary characters to the human cast, as they were in the past.
Honestly, that alone elevates the film for me. Not to be harsh, but while I do think some films were fine (the first movie, for instance, is a fine film, well executed, and holds up), none of these films actually felt like Transformers movies. They felt more like films with transformers in them. Bumblebee got super close to being a step above that, though, so I'm hyped that this film is aiming to go beyond this personal threshold of mine.
1. From what I was told, there is nothing tieing it with the Bay movies, plot wise, but there is also nothing in preventing it from tieing in later. If they want to tie it in with some and ignore TLK, for instance, they can and will. So it is still not a reboot as of yet, Paramount is not willing to commit to anything remotely close to that. It's just another adventure in this live action franchise.
2. This film will have more focus on the bots as characters than ever before. There will be familial relationships explored among the human cast, and there will be a focus on it, something that has not been highlighted in the trailers, but there will still be more emphasis on the bots than before. They will not be secondary characters to the human cast, as they were in the past.
Honestly, that alone elevates the film for me. Not to be harsh, but while I do think some films were fine (the first movie, for instance, is a fine film, well executed, and holds up), none of these films actually felt like Transformers movies. They felt more like films with transformers in them. Bumblebee got super close to being a step above that, though, so I'm hyped that this film is aiming to go beyond this personal threshold of mine.
