Seibertron.com Energon Pub Forums

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics Criminal Activities?

For me, that absolutely WAS the reason why I didn't see The Flash. But I can't speak for everyone. For some it is fatigue. For some, they may have felt that it just wasn't a very interesting premise, even without seeing the film.

It truly is a shame, because in my heart I really am more of a DC fan than Marvel. But for DC they just can't seem o get there movies right most of the time. Their animated features on DVD were great in the early 2010's, but they went downhill as well.

Not everyone will agree, but Quantumania was the first time I even felt any slight bit of *fun* toward a live-action superhero film since No Way Home, and then Endgame before that.

For DC it has been longer. the back-to-back fun of the first Aquaman then Shazam was pretty awesome, btu then nothing after that was any good.

I had very, VERY low expectations for RoTB. But was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't brilliant, but it harkened back to the first live-action film in that it just tried to tell a story and be entertaining. And in that , I feel it succeeded.

I know there were 3 reasons I didn't see Flash:

1) Ezra Miller
2) most DC live action movies are not to my taste and i have not enjoyed them
3) It looked bad

And another reason what factors in:

DC universe is rebooting. Why invest in a story that will have no future?

And from what I've heard, the Necromancy was done with very poor taste, and the Michael Keaton stuff and plot overall was what people thought No Way Home would be: entirely for show and no tell that contributed to the story.

There was literally no reason to see it.

As for Rise of the Beasts, they really did not do a good job with placement of the movie on the schedule. If they had waited to release it until this past weekend, or even in 2 more weeks, it may have done better. Going against 2 superhero movies and a Pixar film was just not a smart choice, and outside of Spiderverse it seems movies are really struggling this month anyways.

I am at least glad that they already all but announced Rise of the Beasts will be getting a sequel. I really did love the movie, and it is still tied with DotM as my favorite of the TF movies.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
As for Rise of the Beasts, they really did not do a good job with placement of the movie on the schedule. If they had waited to release it until this past weekend, or even in 2 more weeks, it may have done better. Going against 2 superhero movies and a Pixar film was just not a smart choice, and outside of Spiderverse it seems movies are really struggling this month anyways.

THis exactly. But I also factor in the rise of the digital streaming services offering the movies at home very quickly- I have to wonder how long movie theaters will remain viable.

Can someone tell me if ROTB picked their date before or after Flash and Spidey? I have a feeling they picked first, and the other two studios added their dates afterwards.

So, spur of the moment, went and saw this in theaters. Yes, wheeljack was done dirty. But I very much enjoyed it. The humans weren't overplayed. Felt organic. Robots felt a bit clustered at times. Wish Rhinox had his chain guns. More primal bot mode would have been cool.

But still, one of the best in my opinion.

You know how I knew I was going to love Scourge in the movie? The way they did this opening, and the introduction to Scourge in the dark forest. It was such an awesome scene.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:You know how I knew I was going to love Scourge in the movie? The way they did this opening, and the introduction to Scourge in the dark forest. It was such an awesome scene.

Oooo. That is suitably a combination of creepy and cool all at once.

Tyrannacon wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:You know how I knew I was going to love Scourge in the movie? The way they did this opening, and the introduction to Scourge in the dark forest. It was such an awesome scene.

Oooo. That is suitably a combination of creepy and cool all at once.

Yeahthe movie has some great shots

TFsource did a compilation of those. https://tfsource.com/blog/2023/07/17/co ... MLBL6Axt1g

With the advent of Barbenheimer taking up a lot of screens and it now on Paramount Plus, Rise of the Beasts' time at the Cineplex is nearing its end. At least for the US where it has dropped from the top 10 chart, coming in 14th place this week-end. The film's horrendous drop in the second week-end made it look like it would be the worst performing film in the franchise and as of now that is still the case when looking at the global numbers. The good news is that in the domestic box office, Rise of the Beasts did better than Bumblebee and The Last Knight. Here are the numbers:

TLK: $130,168,683
Bumblebee: $127,195,589
ROTB: $156,637,282

However, when looking at the global box office, it is currently the least performing film. Here are the numbers:

TLK: $605,425,157
Bumblebee: $467,989,645
ROTB: $429,737,282

While it is important to note that the global figure is not final due to the film not opening in Japan yet, it is also equally important to note that this franchise does not have a great track record in Japan and current estimates for this film are not good with this film being drowned out by other more anticipated and more heavily marketed releases in the country. It would need to make about 40 million in Japan to beat Bumblebee's global numbers and yet the previous Transformers film only made 7 million in Japan.

And remember, none of these numbers account for inflation, meaning that far less tickets were sold for ROTB than any previous film in the live action Transformers franchise. On a final note, it is interesting to see the rivalry between Hasbro and Mattel play out in the cinema as well as on toy shelves. And we have a definitive winner this year with Mattel's Barbie already making more than Hasbro's Transformers and Dungeons and Dragons films combined.

All numbers were taken from Box Office Mojo.

Sadly, being competently average but forgettable is often worse than being an infamously epic cinematic train wreck in the big scheme of things. Just look at the history of Godzilla reboots.

The biggest problem for me was that ROTB just didn't have the time and space to establish the Maximals and Terrorcons as being different enough from the live-action Autobots and Decepticons. And this despite the human subplots flowing smoother and eating up less time than in the previous 6. I know everyone's sick of movies getting too long without the return of 50's-60's-style intermissions, but it could've benefitted from a longer prologue. Yes, that would've made the CGI too expensive, but that's my take.

For all its clunkier elements, Age of Extinction will probably always be the only live action TF film I genuinely love. A fun summer, 2014.

I totally agree, you guys (if interested) should watch Filmento's review of Rise of the Beasts.
He has some very sharp points which the movie fails at.
Some of them are power levels, you don't know what's a threat and why lateron not.
Relationships between bots, don't do that in 1 small sentence, show the audience why some have a friendship.
Final battle was a muddy mess and nothing relatable. No human structures, no humans, we don't know how strong the canon fodder is. It's all just some action moves. Arcee was damaged in the very first fight but didn't need mechanical attention. Who are the terrorcons and why do they just look like Decepticons? Why flip the name?

They did a lot good, but one huge thing this movie also missed was spectacle. And say what you want, Micheal Bay is an absolute master of that.

This movie was so over the top middle of the road, even more than Black Adam.

It would've been an okay/good Transformers movie if it was the first Transformers movie ever.

+ I didn't like the CG in this film.
Compare Rise of the Beast Optimus Prime against the Bumblebee movie (Cybertron sequence) Optimus Prime.
The Bumblebee one looks way better, better proportions, better head, more detail, vibrant colors, great reflection and lighting.

In the entire movie the transformers didn't look like they were there, just computer generated on top of the actual movie. Now that's what it is, but it looked like that especially, that's the problem.

I hope this movie doesn't kill the franchise for again 5 years -_-.

Oh and one more gripe.
Story is exactly the same as all the other TF movies an Egg McMuffin, globe trotting, energy beam in the sky.
At the end of the movie everything is reset to normal, only Airrazor isn't in the picture but everything else is exactly the same. I hate it when movies do that, why even watch the bloody thing.
I really missed a cool G1 Cybertron scene like Bumblebee

It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.

Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.

Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.

~ Grim

No explanations for any of those too.

I don't get it people, the writers strike is now, not when they were writing this movie.
What the hell is wrong with people up in Hollywood (besides the drinking of children blood, the islands etc.) can't you write a decent interesting plot and work from there?
It's almost like The Winter Soldier / Iron Man 1 / Predator / Alien is all impossible nowadays

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Big Grim wrote:It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.

Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.

~ Grim

No explanations for any of those too.

To the former, I don't think Prime has had much human interaction to this point, so the trust wouldn't be there. His talk with Bee about Bee's own history with human interaction demonstrates that. Yes, they could have explained it better. The Noah character did a lot for establishing a positive relationship with humanity for Prime, I think.

To the second point, they've been hiding for centuries. Hiding. So likely they haven't been OUT of their beast mode for that long. Likely, they simply feel more natural in them at this point. Transform ONLY if needed. Again, should have explained better, but that explanation makes sense to me.

On a side note, how has this not opened in Japan yet????

As with some of the comics, it was primarily about promoting toys and future GI Joe movies, not putting together a better narrative.

It was fun to watch parts of it, though. Optimus Primal was very fast and nimble when he swung and bounded across the landscape.

I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.

Spider5800 wrote:I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.

Agreed with this. Why they timed it like they did is beyond me, and we are witnessing a similar phenomenon with Mission Impossible. It opened at a bad time as well, and Oppenheimer and Barbie just absolutely destroyed it.

We've also been witnessing a very volatile and interesting movie market this year:

-Outside of Spiderverse and Guardians of the Galaxy, things related to superheroes are doing very poorly. I think we are up to 3 bombs now (Shazam, Quantumania, Flash), plus Secret Invasion on streaming just ended extremely badly.
-Oppenheimer, a 3 hour biopic related to nuclear warfare, has really blown expectations, especially as an R-rated movie. It has outgrossed I think Shazam, Flash, and is closing in on Transformers and Quantumania, and it only came out 11 days ago. Plus, it has been very well reviewed and received.
-Barbie is just a true case of madness, destroying any expectations and really throwing a grenade in the water, as well as being highly reviewed and received. Plus, ya know, barbenheimer.
-Elemental started out really slow, but somehow gained speed, and is now the highest grossing Pixar film in 4 years somehow. An example of a film that came out in heavy traffic, but had legs and good word of mouth.
-Then of course there is MI underperforming due to the release time, much like Transformers
-And we cannot forget that Super Mario Bros. is the highest grossing film by far this year, though Barbie stands a reasonable chance of catching it.

Needless to say, it's a madhouse at the theatre this year.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.

Agreed with this. Why they timed it like they did is beyond me, and we are witnessing a similar phenomenon with Mission Impossible. It opened at a bad time as well, and Oppenheimer and Barbie just absolutely destroyed it.

I'm curious to know if they had already secured that date well before the others were announced. If they picked the spot first, then they wouldn't have known about the other movies that ended up around it. I also think the marketing for this was not good and contributed.

Spider5800 wrote:I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.

This. Alot of movies had a rough time this year.

Just loving the latest headline for this thread!!!

Nemesis Destron wrote:Just loving the latest headline for this thread!!!

I'm guessing you want a complete reboot. I doubt it'll happen. If it continues to go down, they would be more likely to cut the movies altogether and cut their losses than they would be to reboot.

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Big Grim wrote:It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.

Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.

~ Grim

No explanations for any of those too.

To the former, I don't think Prime has had much human interaction to this point, so the trust wouldn't be there. His talk with Bee about Bee's own history with human interaction demonstrates that. Yes, they could have explained it better. The Noah character did a lot for establishing a positive relationship with humanity for Prime, I think.

To the second point, they've been hiding for centuries. Hiding. So likely they haven't been OUT of their beast mode for that long. Likely, they simply feel more natural in them at this point. Transform ONLY if needed. Again, should have explained better, but that explanation makes sense to me.

On a side note, how has this not opened in Japan yet????

The robot modes are as big as the beast modes, I don't see how being in one is considered hiding compared to being in a different mode.

william-james88 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Big Grim wrote:It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.

Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.

~ Grim

No explanations for any of those too.

To the former, I don't think Prime has had much human interaction to this point, so the trust wouldn't be there. His talk with Bee about Bee's own history with human interaction demonstrates that. Yes, they could have explained it better. The Noah character did a lot for establishing a positive relationship with humanity for Prime, I think.

To the second point, they've been hiding for centuries. Hiding. So likely they haven't been OUT of their beast mode for that long. Likely, they simply feel more natural in them at this point. Transform ONLY if needed. Again, should have explained better, but that explanation makes sense to me.

On a side note, how has this not opened in Japan yet????

The robot modes are as big as the beast modes, I don't see how being in one is considered hiding compared to being in a different mode.

It could also be that the beast modes are either the preferred or the main modes for them, with the robot modes secondary.

TulioDude wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.

This. Alot of movies had a rough time this year.

I think the most frustrating part is they made the same mistakes as Bumblebee, against the exact same studios. Bumblebee was crushed by the FIRST Spiderverse, Aquaman and Mary Poppins. They literally ran this film against Spiderman, DC and Disney AGAIN. Total madness.

This after running the excellent DnD movie into heavy traffic as well, and making the total nothing that was that Snake Eyes movie. Paramount has been doing Hasbro dirty for a while now.