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njb902 wrote:1. They sacrificed hundreds of clones to save 1 or 2 Jedi a few times in the tv show.

That's because Jedi are high priority. Not only because it takes decades to properly train them, or because they would have valuable information, but because, done just right, a Jedi can be twisted into Sith. And that's no good for anyone.

njb902 wrote:2. Look at how the non Jedi treat them.

The Mandalorians seemed to like them.

njb902 wrote:3. They are all subordinate to Jedi or non clones. Where are the clone generals?

There are none, but their rank does go all the way up to Commander. Historically, Jedi are put in charge as Generals.

njb902 wrote:4. Subject to termination for being "defective".

Technically yes, but wrong definition of "defect." Slick defected to the Separatists, and got numerous other Clones killed. He wasn't executed for being defective, he was executed for being a traitor. Meanwhile, 99, an actually defective clone, was still put to work basically as a janitor on Kamino.

njb902 wrote:5. Forced to learn to fight from childhood.

So are the Jedi.

njb902 wrote:6. Offically they don't even have names just numbers.

I don't know what numbers you use where you're from, but I don't know the numbers Rex and Cody.

njb902 wrote:7. Genetically engineered to fallow orders.

Partially. It also comes from Mandalorian genetics.

njb902 wrote:8. Paid for.

Soldiers don't come free, no matter how they're born.

Shadowman wrote:

njb902 wrote:1. They sacrificed hundreds of clones to save 1 or 2 Jedi a few times in the tv show.

That's because Jedi are high priority. Not only because it takes decades to properly train them, or because they would have valuable information, but because, done just right, a Jedi can be twisted into Sith. And that's no good for anyone.

njb902 wrote:2. Look at how the non Jedi treat them.

The Mandalorians seemed to like them.

njb902 wrote:3. They are all subordinate to Jedi or non clones. Where are the clone generals?

There are none, but their rank does go all the way up to Commander. Historically, Jedi are put in charge as Generals.

njb902 wrote:4. Subject to termination for being "defective".

Technically yes, but wrong definition of "defect." Slick defected to the Separatists, and got numerous other Clones killed. He wasn't executed for being defective, he was executed for being a traitor. Meanwhile, 99, an actually defective clone, was still put to work basically as a janitor on Kamino.

njb902 wrote:5. Forced to learn to fight from childhood.

So are the Jedi.

njb902 wrote:6. Offically they don't even have names just numbers.

I don't know what numbers you use where you're from, but I don't know the numbers Rex and Cody.

njb902 wrote:7. Genetically engineered to fallow orders.

Partially. It also comes from Mandalorian genetics.

njb902 wrote:8. Paid for.

Soldiers don't come free, no matter how they're born.

i really need to learn to use these forums better, how do you do the individual quotes like that? well since i don't i'm just going to go by point again shadow and respond to you.

1. I just do not see it, besides the mission to save peill(sp?).

2. The EU mandos do, not sure of the tv show ones.

3. every military non clone in the show is over the clones.

4. the kaminoans sure seemed to want to terminate delta squad(i think it was delta squad anyways, the squad with heavy, echo, cut up, fives and huh forgot the fifth).

5. the jedi are slaves as well. though i guess latter they can choose to eave the order.

6. I bet you nowhere will you find those names in their data jackets.

7. if so explain the death watch.

8. your right soldiers do not come free training does cost money, however when i served i got paid not paid for.

btw are we keeping or ignoring traviss's work?

njb902 wrote:1. I just do not see it, besides the mission to save peill(sp?).

You don't see what, a Jedi falling to the Dark Side? They do that all the time. And not always by choice. Bastila Shan was tortured by Darth Malak until she fell, and Anakin had been manipulated into it by Palapatine since before the Clone Wars.

njb902 wrote:3. every military non clone in the show is over the clones.

We don't see a whole lot of non-clone, non-Jedi in the military, though.

njb902 wrote:4. the kaminoans sure seemed to want to terminate delta squad(i think it was delta squad anyways, the squad with heavy, echo, cut up, fives and huh forgot the fifth).

Wrong on both counts. Delta Squad was Boss, Sev, Fixer and Scorch, the ones you were referring to were Domino Squad (Not even Clone Commandos, they were training to become ARC Troopers) and the Kiminoans were considering demoting them to maintenance duty because of their repeated test failures. Which they later passed, becoming the first members of the 501st, which would go on to become Vader's Fist in the Empire.

njb902 wrote:5. the jedi are slaves as well. though i guess latter they can choose to eave the order.

They're more akin to Monks, they're not slaves at all.

njb902 wrote:6. I bet you nowhere will you find those names in their data jackets.

Rex and Cody are exclusively referred to by name, the only one to ever refer to the clones by only their number was Pong Krell, and by the time he's introduced, he's fallen to the Dark Side. In fact, the Jedi were the ones who encouraged the Clones to name themselves.

Shadowman wrote:

njb902 wrote:1. I just do not see it, besides the mission to save peill(sp?).

You don't see what, a Jedi falling to the Dark Side? They do that all the time. And not always by choice. Bastila Shan was tortured by Darth Malak until she fell, and Anakin had been manipulated into it by Palapatine since before the Clone Wars.

njb902 wrote:3. every military non clone in the show is over the clones.

We don't see a whole lot of non-clone, non-Jedi in the military, though.

njb902 wrote:4. the kaminoans sure seemed to want to terminate delta squad(i think it was delta squad anyways, the squad with heavy, echo, cut up, fives and huh forgot the fifth).

Wrong on both counts. Delta Squad was Boss, Sev, Fixer and Scorch, the ones you were referring to were Domino Squad (Not even Clone Commandos, they were training to become ARC Troopers) and the Kiminoans were considering demoting them to maintenance duty because of their repeated test failures. Which they later passed, becoming the first members of the 501st, which would go on to become Vader's Fist in the Empire.

njb902 wrote:5. the jedi are slaves as well. though i guess latter they can choose to eave the order.

They're more akin to Monks, they're not slaves at all.

njb902 wrote:6. I bet you nowhere will you find those names in their data jackets.

Rex and Cody are exclusively referred to by name, the only one to ever refer to the clones by only their number was Pong Krell, and by the time he's introduced, he's fallen to the Dark Side. In fact, the Jedi were the ones who encouraged the Clones to name themselves.

1. Hmm that is something to think about.

2. More like cultists than monks. Eh on second thought I don't think either description fits well. Templars or crusaders maybe?

3. Ack You're right it was Domino squad, though weren't they just finishing thier basic training not arc training? I know colt was there but it felt more circumstantial, and they get sent to rishi station for their first deployment.

I was thinking of the nulls, to many clone units with similar military designation.

4. If we are going by the books it is stated in order 66 and 501 that the clones don't have real names. Plus the clone army numbers in the millions having just first names wouldn't cut it.

njb902 wrote:1. Hmm that is something to think about.

Something already thought about, incredibly frequently. Exar Kun was a Jedi before he was Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Revan and Darth Malak and their followers were all former Jedi. Count Dooku and Asajj Ventress were Jedi as well. And let's not forget Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader.

njb902 wrote:2. More like cultists than monks. Eh on second thought I don't think either description fits well. Templars or crusaders maybe?

They're a lot of things. They've served as soldiers, war leaders, ambassadors, negotiators, mediators, and peace keepers. They've got a distinct samurai feel to them, too, since Akira Kurosawa was one of the influences on the franchise.

njb902 wrote:4. If we are going by the books it is stated in order 66 and 501 that the clones don't have real names. Plus the clone army numbers in the millions having just first names wouldn't cut it.

If we're going by the movies, Cody doesn't even have a number, he's only ever referred to by rank or name.

And by the way, the Clone Army would number in the billions. Karen Traviss' estimate of the size of the GAR was, like everything else she did, stupid as hell and ignored previously-established canon. Like the fact that if there were only a few million Clone Troopers then A, there wouldn't be enough to cover Republic space (Of which there are several million planets) and B, the Grand Army of the Republic would be outnumbered by the Allied Forces from World War II.

whats next for disney to buy Nintendo? Hasbro? Sony? Yahoo? jeez

Coughler wrote:whats next for disney to buy Nintendo? Hasbro? Sony? Yahoo? jeez

I doubt they'll go after Yahoo. They bought Infoseek, turned it into Go and ballsed everything up.

Nintendo however might be a likely target. They would go hand in hand with each other.

Burn wrote:

Coughler wrote:whats next for disney to buy Nintendo? Hasbro? Sony? Yahoo? jeez

I doubt they'll go after Yahoo. They bought Infoseek, turned it into Go and ballsed everything up.

Nintendo however might be a likely target. They would go hand in hand with each other.

I seriously doubt it, selling out to foreign companies is a big no-no in Japanese business.

So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Disney is an entertainment company. Umbrella was largely pharmaceuticals and weapons development. It's kind of a huge leap in what apparently passes for logic in your friends.

Shadowman wrote:

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Disney is an entertainment company. Umbrella was largely pharmaceuticals and weapons development. It's kind of a huge leap in what apparently passes for logic in your friends.

That's what I said. But the CDC hasn't really denied that zombies can exist. But back on track. Harrison Ford might come back in Ep.7 as Han Solo.

Shadowman wrote:

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Disney is an entertainment company. Umbrella was largely pharmaceuticals and weapons development. It's kind of a huge leap in what apparently passes for logic in your friends.

Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Disney is an entertainment company. Umbrella was largely pharmaceuticals and weapons development. It's kind of a huge leap in what apparently passes for logic in your friends.

Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

Exactly. They have Walt Dinseys body on ice. How do you know they're not coming up with some sort of syrum to reanimate his dead body? The more we get into this, for all we know, Disney himself can be the very first zombie to infect the world.

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Wigglez wrote:

Burn wrote:

Wigglez wrote:So my friends have this crazy idea that because of Disney buying Lucas Films and that they bought Marvel and Hasbro might be next, that Disney is going to be the cause of the zombie apocalypse. I believe them...

Explain your reasoning.

Well, they didn't explain besides that Disney is this big commercial entity now and the only thing I can link that to zombies is that Umbrella was also a big commercial entity as well. My swords have been waiting for blood for a while now

Disney is an entertainment company. Umbrella was largely pharmaceuticals and weapons development. It's kind of a huge leap in what apparently passes for logic in your friends.

Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

Exactly. They have Walt Dinseys body on ice. How do you know they're not coming up with some sort of syrum to reanimate his dead body? The more we get into this, for all we know, Disney himself can be the very first zombie to infect the world.

Lol.......Forum turned crazy.

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Wigglez wrote:Exactly. They have Walt Dinseys body on ice. How do you know they're not coming up with some sort of syrum to reanimate his dead body? The more we get into this, for all we know, Disney himself can be the very first zombie to infect the world.

Yes, a company with a focus on movies, television and music, also happen to have a biological engineering department. This makes logical sense. Now take off that tinfoil hat.

Walt was actually cremated, but how the heck did this topic get so derailed?

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Never said I could. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement.

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Never said I could. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement.

Your statement is just one huge flaw, though, so my point still stands.

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Never said I could. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement.

Your statement is just one huge flaw, though, so my point still stands.

Your statement is just as flawed. So you know, just accept that you're as wrong, and as right, as me.

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Never said I could. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement.

Your statement is just one huge flaw, though, so my point still stands.

Your statement is just as flawed. So you know, just accept that you're as wrong, and as right, as me.

You're either serious about that, which is really sad, or you're trolling, which is really sad.

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you prove that Disney don't have a hidden biological weapons development lab?

No, but at the same time you can't prove that they do.

Never said I could. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement.

Your statement is just one huge flaw, though, so my point still stands.

Your statement is just as flawed. So you know, just accept that you're as wrong, and as right, as me.

You're either serious about that, which is really sad, or you're trolling, which is really sad.

There it is again, a demeaning attitude towards conversation partners. It seems to occur as soon as you run out of arguments.

RhA wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Your statement is just as flawed. So you know, just accept that you're as wrong, and as right, as me.

You're either serious about that, which is really sad, or you're trolling, which is really sad.

There it is again, a demeaning attitude towards conversation partners. It seems to occur as soon as you run out of arguments.

It's not my fault Burn is using insane jumps in pseudo-logic either genuinely or, most likely, (Knowing Burn) to get a rise out of me. Again.

EDIT: And it's not that I've run out of arguments, it's that no one has presented one to me outside of insane conspiracy theories and, as previously mentioned, insane jumps in pseudo-logic.

Shadowman wrote:

RhA wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Your statement is just as flawed. So you know, just accept that you're as wrong, and as right, as me.

You're either serious about that, which is really sad, or you're trolling, which is really sad.

There it is again, a demeaning attitude towards conversation partners. It seems to occur as soon as you run out of arguments.

It's not my fault Burn is using insane jumps in pseudo-logic either genuinely or, most likely, (Knowing Burn) to get a rise out of me. Again.

It's the latter.

Back on topic!