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Nemesis Primal wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Since its velocitron hot rod my assumption is thered be a different deco, like a rodimus unicronus considering first velocitron line had black Convoy

I feel like if it was Rodimus Unicronus/SG Rodimus/Dark Hot Rod that would be called out by name, it wouldn't just say Hot Rod, but I could be wrong. My prediction is either that magenta repaint people want (although I think that would make more sense as an SS86 or Buzzworthy Bee release) or an IDW Hot Rod/Rodimus retool in the vein of Blurr (who's listing and box both say nothing about being an IDW design).

Looks like the listings are still coming too, they just added "Velocitron LDR 2", which is very suspiciously vague.

The IDW thing makes the most sense, maybe they'll do that

I was wondering what LDR 2 was

I hope it's true as well. A leader Skyquake and voyager Tarn do sound too good to be true. And if we get Skyquake, Dreadwing shouldn't be far behind, right? Obviously we won't get the rest of the DJD, unless it's an online exclusive set like we've been getting. I also wonder about Armada Megatron as well. The last one was... Bad. And if more Armada figures get attention, commander (or even Titan!) Tidal Wave is not completely out of the question.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Since its velocitron hot rod my assumption is thered be a different deco, like a rodimus unicronus considering first velocitron line had black Convoy

I feel like if it was Rodimus Unicronus/SG Rodimus/Dark Hot Rod that would be called out by name, it wouldn't justLsay Hot Rod, but I could be wrong. My prediction is either that magenta repaint people want (although I think that would make more sense as an SS86 or Buzzworthy Bee release) or an IDW Hot Rod/Rodimus retool in the vein of Blurr (who's listing and box both say nothing about being an IDW design).

Looks like the listings are still coming too, they just added "Velocitron LDR 2", which is very suspiciously vague.

The IDW thing makes the most sense, maybe they'll do that

I was wondering what LDR 2 was

Leader #2

Sabrblade wrote:Leader #2

...well yes, but why is it the only one of the listings that isn't named, that's the suspicious part.

...well, it and "Junkion 1" I guess, but at least that still gives some clue as to the figure's identity.

Is EV for evolution? Legacy evolution?

We had big reveals lately but there's one part I forgot was coming and that is all the listings for the next year which we get at the half year mark. No pictures of course, just listings, but it is the first inkling of figures to come.

While there are a lot of listings to go through, all found through Walmart thanks to fellow Seibertronian JTprime17 and TF fan HyperShauta, I chose Tarn as the one in the header because he is a long time coming. Also, unlike every other listing, this would be the first official transforming toy for this character. The rest of the list has some core class Dinos, Leo Prime from the Japanese Beast Wars, Megatron from Armada, Skyquake from Prime and a lot more, all listed below. Those would be for the second year of the Legacy line.

2023 Legacy Listings

Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Soundblaster
Product Number: F7178
EAN: 5010994196721

Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Slug
Product number: F7188
EAN: 5010994196738

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Core Sludge
Product Number: F7176
EAN: 5010994196714

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Needlenose
Product Number: F7190
EAN: 5010994196950

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Hot Shot
Product Number: F791
EAN: 5010994196967

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Junkion 1
Product Number: F7192
EAN: 5010994196974

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Tarn
Product Number: F7206
EAN: 5010994197278

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Leo Prime
Product Number: F7207
EAN: 5010994197285

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Prime Skyquake
product Number: F2989
EAN: 5010994207816

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Armada Megatron
Product Number: F7230
EAN: 5010994207786

TARN!?!?!!

I really shouldn't get my hopes up, there's probably a good chance it'll just be a low-mid effort retool or a needlessly watered-down version like the Prime figures, but until that happens, this is my most anticipated figure is YEARS.

Hot Shot and Megatron are the only other ones I might be interested in (though I'm glad Needlenose is happening, people have waited long enough for him). But the real tease is that if they're making Armada Megatron, Armada Prime can't be too far behind...

Also, Skyquake will probably be lame.

Prime Skyquake? Very interesting! Surprised they didn't go with Dreadwing instead.

It worries me they're doing an Armada Megatron and a Tarn at the same time. Probably fine since once's leader and the other's voyager. I hope Tarn stays true to IDW comics though, it'd be instabuy. I've almost bought 3rd party before haha. Such a good horrible character.

This all sounds pretty good, I'm definitely buyng Hot Shot and Armada Megatron, though I may wait to see what Skyquake looks like before I commit to it. I don't read the comics, but I do like Tarn's design, he was decent in Cyberverse, and I hope the figure ends up looking good.

Interesting lineup. Really hope that Junkion is Detritus from Siege Hound at long last or even a pre-tool of an Earth Hound.

Kinda underwhelmed by Prime Skyquake, his colors were boring compared to Dreadwing (who I'm sure will also be made), but more than anything I think G1 Skyquake is more fitting of the Leader price point and has Starscream as a potential repaint.

Tarn is fantastic news, but I fear he'll just be a pre-tool of another Megatron and possibly suffer for it.

Needlenose, they said it couldn't be done but the prodigal son finally returns. It's about time! (Now I don't have to separate the Subscription figure to finish out the Double Targetmaster trio.)

I'm guess it'll be Cybertron Hot Shot since there's a lack of blue cars and he'd stand out. Bumblebee fills out the yellow quota just fine and yellow Hot Shots are kinda lame.

Very curious what kind of Leo Prime they give us. Beast Wars II? Modern "Zoid"? Cybertron Leobreaker pre-tool?

Armada Megatron, don't screw this up, Hasbro!

Core Dinobots are interesting, but not sure why they'd want to make some of the biggest Autobots at that size. I guess as the kid budget line it makes sense to do them. I'll probably still end up getting them...

Core Soundblaster is a definite get, love that mold.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Since its velocitron hot rod my assumption is thered be a different deco, like a rodimus unicronus considering first velocitron line had black Convoy

I feel like if it was Rodimus Unicronus/SG Rodimus/Dark Hot Rod that would be called out by name, it wouldn't just say Hot Rod, but I could be wrong. My prediction is either that magenta repaint people want (although I think that would make more sense as an SS86 or Buzzworthy Bee release) or an IDW Hot Rod/Rodimus retool in the vein of Blurr (who's listing and box both say nothing about being an IDW design).

We were told the design team wanted to do Hot Rod in magenta for SS86, but higher ups wouldn't let them so the Velocitron line gives them somewhere to put the figure design they already prepared and wanted to do.

Emerje

Of course, now we just have to wait however long it takes for images to appear could the core class dinobots be done to scale with the combiners

I have pretty low expectations for any Prime characters in the Legacy line. Those are just pretools for what the real character will be. Although Bulkhead turn out better than I expected.

Core dinobots? Eh, why not? I'd buy them all so my leader dinos will have their babies!

And Tarn. OOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh BOY!
I always wanted that character, but I never wanted a non-transformable action figure, or a "MP" scaled 3P toy that is worth 200$+. A Generations voyager is what we all waited for at at least, it's not a damn exclusive.

I have Motormaster now, and he's pretty good. As a Commander figure, I like him a lot more than Rodimus Prime, he feels much more worthy of the price point. The transformation from cab to robot to Menasor does feel a bit overly fiddly, lots of little panels to clip into place and extra bits that have to tab into certain places, but he looks good in all three modes and he's never not fun. I was also surprised by how smoothly the combining works on the arms, you just clip Drag Strip onto the little pegs and it comes apart no problem, then clips back together with no issue either. I was apprehensive about how they were doing this Combiner, but it's turned out perfectly fine.

In regards to the reported straight-out-of-the-box yellowing on the grey plastic, mine has none, but I'm keeping him away from direct sunlight just in case it does set in. The batch number of my Motormaster is 21011, I don't know if that's one of the affected batches, I'll have to check that TFW2005 thread again to see.

william-james88 wrote:

Dang it, Hasbro, I wanted to get just the ones I thought looked good! Why must you tempt my completionist instincts so?!
...oh wait, massive corporation who wants my money. Right.

I recognise a lot of these designs, even if somewhat changed or simplified, and hope the ones I don't end up showing up in later figures. Particularly that large, boxy cannon on the bottom left.

I will say this again, though: the concept art is still more cohesive and apparent with the Energon theme than the finished result. They didn't even need to all be translucent blue; just make the crystalline parts more obvious, like Core Hot Rod's sword.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Agent 53 wrote:They've gotta stop doing this, how many times has a gimmick just ruined a line, Hasbro should focus on just making sure the figures a a good representation of the characters for the price point.

Gimmicks sell well with kids though, look at the UT stuff

Also this isn't really that bad of a gimmick? More weapons pretty much is just an extension of the C.O.M.B.A.T. system from WFC with an Energon flavor

JazZeke wrote:Yeah, aside from Blitzing's silly gloves, the gimmick isn't an intrusive one. It may dip into the plastic budget, but aside from that the toys don't have to be engineered around them like Mini-Cons or combining does.

Seconded. It's not an intrinsic part of the toy, just an additional accessory you can choose to leave aside or even sell without changing the look of the toy. How's that in any way intrusive?

ZeroWolf wrote:I actually like her more than elita. Shame about the lack of a headmaster but did anyone actually expect one? It would have also ment a retool of her alt mode to accommodate a rider. Not the worst redeco/retool out there.

Me, maybe? I'm not that bummed off by it, though; there's other versions of Minerva that aren't Headmasters (like the new Wrecker IDW one, or even the animated Transtector from the end of Masterforce itself), so I can just pretend it's one of those and wait for an actual Minerva Headmaster.

william-james88 wrote:2023 Legacy Listings

Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Soundblaster
Product Number: F7178
EAN: 5010994196721

Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Slug
Product number: F7188
EAN: 5010994196738

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Core Sludge
Product Number: F7176
EAN: 5010994196714

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Needlenose
Product Number: F7190
EAN: 5010994196950

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Hot Shot
Product Number: F791
EAN: 5010994196967

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Junkion 1
Product Number: F7192
EAN: 5010994196974

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Tarn
Product Number: F7206
EAN: 5010994197278

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Leo Prime
Product Number: F7207
EAN: 5010994197285

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Prime Skyquake
product Number: F2989
EAN: 5010994207816

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Armada Megatron
Product Number: F7230
EAN: 5010994207786

YES!!!

...Skyquake, however, I'm cautious about. The latter Prime characters in Legacy didn't quite look right for me.

I'm a "we'll see" on Skyquake, a definitely on Tarn, regardless of whether he's a pre-tool for Megatron or whoever, a negatory on Armada Megatron, and probably not on Leo Prime. Probably. Not. I dunno. The deluxes are all more than likely than nots. No Insecticon? It's wave 1 and there's only 3 deluxes listed when there are usually 4.

I seen this list on the another site before going to bed last night. I still don't believe it. I want to but both this and the Velocitron wave two list just look like a fan's want list with a few that are most likely going to happen eventually like Soundblaster.

I'm just confused though. I thought that Legacy was going to be one line only before they moved on to a new trilogy.

Emerje wrote:
Armada Megatron, don't screw this up, Hasbro!

Don't worry they will. Remember, this isn't going to be Armada Megatron...this is going to be Geewunized Armada Megatron. Same with Skyquake...the Prime aesthetic was amazing and very accurate to the cartoon in a lot of cases. This will be Geewunized Skyquake...if Bulkhead, Knockout, and Arcee are any indication, I have little faith this won't be a giant clusterf&%k.

Tarn's cool and all, definitely excited to see how he looks. I wonder if they'll also release the rest of the DJD...
But I'm really excited to see Needlenose, Skyquake, and Armada Megs!
I have the subscription service NN, so I'm grateful to get a mold that is actually meant to be Needlenose.
I'm not sure how faithful Skyquake would be but I never object to more jetformers in the Decepticon ranks anyway
And I hope this means we get a GOOD new Armada Megs...even if it also might not be entirely faithful...even if the Combiner Wars one wasn't very faithful and sucked butts. (imo)

Grahf_ wrote:I seen this list on the another site before going to bed last night. I still don't believe it. I want to but both this and the Velocitron wave two list just look like a fan's want list with a few that are most likely going to happen eventually like Soundblaster.

I'm just confused though. I thought that Legacy was going to be one line only before they moved on to a new trilogy.

The list is based on Walmart listing (hence velocitron ad that's walmarts exclusive line)

Also hasbro never said anything about the length of Legacy

LordBludgeon wrote:Prime Skyquake? Very interesting! Surprised they didn't go with Dreadwing instead.

The repaint should be quick and easy.

First-Aid wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Armada Megatron, don't screw this up, Hasbro!

Don't worry they will. Remember, this isn't going to be Armada Megatron...this is going to be Geewunized Armada Megatron. Same with Skyquake...the Prime aesthetic was amazing and very accurate to the cartoon in a lot of cases. This will be Geewunized Skyquake...if Bulkhead, Knockout, and Arcee are any indication, I have little faith this won't be a giant clusterf&%k.

Unlike the Prime characters, the Unicron Trilogy characters have been given faithful designs in Legacy.

Emerje wrote:I'm guess it'll be Cybertron Hot Shot since there's a lack of blue cars and he'd stand out. Bumblebee fills out the yellow quota just fine and yellow Hot Shots are kinda lame.

We were told the design team wanted to do Hot Rod in magenta for SS86, but higher ups wouldn't let them so the Velocitron line gives them somewhere to put the figure design they already prepared and wanted to do.

Emerje

So it's most likely a Hot Rod redeco then? Which Is fine I guess and makes sense financially, I like your Cybertron color suggestion but think it would be better utilized on the Ford GT body. IMO Hot Rod's design should stay unique to him and they seriously need to infuse more body types into the line because I grow tired of everything being a Datsun or Lamborghini variant. lol

That said I suppose they could also reuse Knockout mold but also wouldn't mind seeing a Mustang utilized.
Depending on the mold and deco I may get this one out of them all because it stands to be the only one that might appeal to me.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Emerje wrote:
Armada Megatron, don't screw this up, Hasbro!

Don't worry they will. Remember, this isn't going to be Armada Megatron...this is going to be Geewunized Armada Megatron. Same with Skyquake...the Prime aesthetic was amazing and very accurate to the cartoon in a lot of cases. This will be Geewunized Skyquake...if Bulkhead, Knockout, and Arcee are any indication, I have little faith this won't be a giant clusterf&%k.

Unlike the Prime characters, the Unicron Trilogy characters have been given faithful designs in Legacy.

Override did anyway, but that's a pretty small sample size.

Leo Prime and Tarn sound pretty interesting. Can't wait to see what they look like.