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[D-Maximal_Primal]

2nd thing, I think Grimlock is going to be a key to Jawbreaker choosing his alt mode, and when he does choose it, my wife is thinking gorilla alt mode (and she wants another beast and it does with his name), but I am wondering if he will end up being a triple changer. I am very invested in his story.

Leaked spoilers for future episodes have indicated that Jawbreaker's altmode with be a (DON'T highlight if you don't want to be spoiled) Stygimoloch.

That's cool, and it makes me excited for a toy, though I too 100% thought it would be a gorilla.

I agree, if that is the route he goes, it is a fun route. Plus, it means that my one theory may be right and Grimlock in a way helps inspire his alt mode, and it also means that Stiggy from Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom will get to end up in Transformers!

[Sabrblade]

Wheeljack's voice actor, Michael T. Downey, has taken to Reddit to talk about his voicing the character in EarthSpark and has revealed some interesting info about how he came up with Wheeljack's southern accent:

[o.supreme]

Aren't you guys getting sick and tired of all the streaming services?
Hulu, Netflix, paramount plus, disney plus, apple plus, sony plus.
Can't even torrent the series, it's insane.

Looks like Nickelodeon/Paramount has it covered.

S1 on DVD coming 05/16/23

https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Ear ... 234&sr=8-1

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Wheeljack's voice actor, Michael T. Downey, has taken to Reddit to talk about his voicing the character in EarthSpark and has revealed some interesting info about how he came up with Wheeljack's southern accent:

This makes me like Wheeljack that much more, speaking as a small town Appalachian Engineer myself. Cyberverse did Wheeljack good, and Earthspark continued it, and I for one enjoy the slightly more southern accent and the retractable facemask. There is a lot to love about ES Wheeljack

[o.supreme]

When one thinks of a TV series with Longevity, several different ideas come to mind. The Simpsons in the United States for instance is in its 34th Season, and will have aired 750 episodes by the time the season ends. Dr. Who from the UK is one of the longest running series of all time. Star Trek certainly has to be in the conversation. What about Ultraman from Japan?

Yes these are all definitely examples of series that are multigenerational, and have a continuing Fandom. However The Transformers I think, has earned a respectable spot as well. The Franchise is nearing 40 years, and with dozens of animated series, and films has reached a momentous occasion that most people probably didn't notice.

By *my* count at least *(which is subjective for multiple reasons), the latest Batch of Earthspark episodes put it over the 1000 (1/2 hour) mark for content. (Episode #13 Missed Connection) Now of course this gets a bit convoluted for various reasons.

1. In recent years episodes have been of varying lengths. Many could argue; could be just 2 episodes in a 30 minute time slot (22 mins without commercials), which is fair. But some of the shows that aired in Japan, and on Streaming services, dont fit quite as nicely in those buckets, so some adjustment has to be made.

In terms of mere episodes, TF passed 1000 a little while ago (well over 1100 now actually), but combining many of those shorter episodes is now why it just passed the 1000 milestone (if all episodes were the traditional half-hour time slot).

Also in Japan, many episodes of the Original Series as well as Headmasters, MF, Victory, BWII and Neo had what are commonly known as "recap" episodes. (Episodes that catch a viewer up on linear storytelling in lieu of airing re-runs). The consensus as to whether Recap episodes should be included or not is divided among the fandom.

But still a thousand, 1/2 hours of content is quite the accomplishment, no matter what! And it is nice to see Transformers continuing on, even if the content may not be able to be fully enjoyed by all generations at this point.

Just as a frame of reference, do you know when episode 500 occurred? Well appropriately, it was for the celebration of the 20th anniversary of the brand.

The Transformers Energon episode "Distribution" aired on 11/4/2004 in Japan, however in it's original Super-Link translation, this was a "Special" episode outside of the normal series named: A Must See! The Greatest Dream Matches it was purposefully made to be (more or less) the 500th episode overall

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Distribution

Whether or not someone officially at Hasbro or TT will be crunching the numbers to acknowledge the feat of 1000 is anyone's guess, but still, we as fans can acknowledge it!

[Sabrblade]

However, the 500-episode count for "Distribution" was greatly skewed. While it included every single recap episode that had been released in Japan at the time (either on Japanese television or on Japanese home video), it omitted The Rebirth (despite it having been eventually dubbed in Japanese and released on LaserDisc in 1996), Beast Machines (since it hadn't yet been released in Japan at the time), the two OVAs released at the time (Scramble City and Zone), and the two theater-only-released Beast Wars Metals episodes ("Bad Spark" and "Cutting Edge").

As for "Missed Connection" being a contender for the 1000th episode milestone, that's an awesome choice for such, and one that even features a legacy guest character to boot.

[o.supreme]

True. It wasn't exactly 500 by my count either for some of the reasons you mentioned. True some of these shows aired out of order in Japan, and I don't even know if some the more recent ones (Cyberverse, Bot Bots or Erthspark) have been shown in Japan,or plan to be. But 1000 episodes is still a fun milestone to look back on.

[Sabrblade]

True. It wasn't exactly 500 by my count either for some of the reasons you mentioned. True some of these shows aired out of order in Japan, and I don't even know if some the more recent ones (Cyberverse, Bot Bots or Erthspark) have been shown in Japan,or plan to be. But 1000 episodes is still a fun milestone to look back on.

Cyberverse did get dubbed in Japan, but like Prime and RID 2015, only the first two seasons were released.

To this day, Japan has still not received Rescue Bots, Rescue Bots Academy, or BotBots.

Now, in your 1000-episode count, did you also take into account any of the following?

• OVAs such as Scramble City, Zone, and the two RobotMasters DVD episodes
• The four-episode Playskool Transformers: Go-Bots cartoon
• The two Japanese-original Beast Wars Metals remix episodes, and the one Beast Wars Returns remix episode
• Transformers: Go!
• The Q-Transformers cartoon
• Any web cartoons like:
  • the two Universe short animations
  • Cyber Missions
  • How to Ride Your Dinobot
  • Machinima's Prime Wars Trilogy
  • Bumblebee's First Life on Earth
  • Transformers Portal, the Russian-original web cartoon that served as an official trans-dimensional crossover between RID 2015 and Titans Return
  • Any official stop-motion video series (of which there are an enormous amount between Hasbro and Takara), such as the BeCool series, the Kre-O series, or "3 Transformers"
• The Japanese TF: Prime TV special "Super Robot Life Form Transformers Prime: Midnight Perfect Transformation 2 Hour Special!"
• The three-part episode version of the Predacons Rising movie that, after the movie versions initial airing, became a permanent addition to TF: Prime's episode rerun broadcasts on Discovery Family (in the same vein as how several other Prime and Animated multi-parters were first aired as TV movies/specials before airing as part of the normal episode count for those two series)
• The individual four-part episode versions of the two Cyberverse Season 4 specials that likewise saw release digitally after the original full-length special versions were first released on Netflix
• The Japanese-original Cyberverse special episode that aired at the end of Season 1

[o.supreme]

Now, in your 1000-episode count, did you also take into account any of the following?

• OVAs such as Scramble City, Zone, and the two RobotMasters DVD episodes [color=#004000]Yes to SC & Zone, No to RM)[/color]
• The four-episode Playskool Transformers: Go-Bots cartoon No[/color]
• The two Japanese-original Beast Wars Metals remix episodes, and the one Beast Wars Returns remix episode[color=#004000]No[/color]
• Transformers: Go![color=#004000]Yes[/color]
• The Q-Transformers cartoon[color=#004000]No[/color]
• Any web cartoons like:
  [color=#004000]No[/color]
  
  • the two Universe short animations No
  • Cyber Missions No
  • How to Ride Your Dinobot No
  • Machinima's Prime Wars Trilogy Yes
  • Bumblebee's First Life on Earth No
  • Transformers Portal, the Russian-original web cartoon that served as an official trans-dimensional crossover between RID 2015 and Titans Return No
  • Any official stop-motion video series (of which there are an enormous amount between Hasbro and Takara), such as the BeCool series, the Kre-O series, or "3 Transformers"
  No
• The Japanese TF: Prime TV special "Super Robot Life Form Transformers Prime: Midnight Perfect Transformation 2 Hour Special!"[No
• The three-part episode version of the Predacons Rising movie that, after the movie versions initial airing, became a permanent addition to TF: Prime's episode rerun broadcasts on Discovery Family (in the same vein as how several other Prime and Animated multi-parters were first aired as TV movies/specials before airing as part of the normal episode count for those two series)No
• The individual four-part episode versions of the two Cyberverse Season 4 specials that likewise saw release digitally after the original full-length special versions were first released on Yes
• The Japanese-original Cyberverse special episode that aired at the end of Season 1

No

Thanks for this. I answered accordingly. The "No's" are a combinaiton of not knowing they existed, and feeling that if they weren't Transformers series "proper",they shouldn't count, but I understand what that constitutes is becoming more and more diverse as time goes on. Had I made this list a couple of years ago I would have omitted Bot Bots. Had I made it 10 years ago, I would have omitted RB & RBA entirely.

I am not averse to adding any of these specifically. What about Angry Birds vs TF? Was that even a cartoon? (I avoided all things having to do with it, so I am unsure) . What about that TF/Nezha crossover from China, did that ever happen?

If someone wants to make a true Master list Tallying all episodes, I'd be curious to see where we stand. Different people may have different stipulations, but for me, all I'd ask is:

1. That we decide definitively if "Recap" episodes should be included in the overall total

2. That if a series has episodes or chapters that are shorter than 30 minutes (or 22 allowing for commercials), that the content be fit in as best as possible EX: The entirety of Machinima Combiner Wars is 8 "chapters" of varying length (some 3 minutes, some 5, I think the last is closer to 8 ??) but its entirety is about 48 minutes, so I just called that 2 "Episodes" total.

3. Should we include TF:TM and Predacons Rising? -These are BOTH films that were cut up into chapters and aired on TV after the fact. I dont mind adding them , or not, we just need a consensus.

4. I do NOT wish to add The episodes that aired in 1988 with Tommy Kennedy/Puppet Prime, nor do I wish to add G2 episodes, since these were merely the same content as the original series just re-edited *(sans the possibility of TF:TM stated above).

[Sabrblade]

What about Angry Birds vs TF? Was that even a cartoon?

Nope. Only games, comics, books, and toys, an album, and cinematically-animated trailers.

What about that TF/Nezha crossover from China, did that ever happen?

Nope. We can blame Covid and political relations between the U.S. and China for that one not getting to happen. The only media it got released were an animated trailer and one stop-motion video.

1. That we decide definitively if "Recap" episodes should be included in the overall total

I'd say so. Oftentimes, the Japanese ones have content/information exclusive to them not found in any normal episode. This is even true for the three Saban-made recap episodes for RID 2001 that were completely different from the three Car Robots recap episodes they replaced. One of the BWII recap episodes even created a new story out of footage recycled from its preceding episodes, while another BWII recap episode was partially animated with brand new material that made that part of it feel like a new episode unto itself.

3. Should we include TF:TM and Predacons Rising? -These are BOTH films that were cut up into chapters and aired on TV after the fact. I dont mind adding them , or not, we just need a consensus.

I'd definitely say so in the case of Predacons Rising, since it's still rerunning as Episodes 66-68 of Prime to this day, and it strikes me as no different than when Animated's "Transform and Roll and Out" and "TransWarped" both first aired as TV specials before being broken up into episode form later. Even Prime had this happen to its first three episodes of Season 3 originally airing in Singapore as a TV movie, and upon first watching that version of those three episodes, they were so cohesively connected that I honestly couldn't tell when each part ended and began (this version of those episodes was later released on DVD with the fourth episode added to the whole as the feature-length special "Dawn of the Beast").

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Not sure if it has been seen yet, but there has been a leak of Jawbreakers alt mode and final robot mode, actual pictures/screengrabs.

It makes me very happy for my favorite Terran.

[william-james88]

One of the more fun aspect of Transformers Earthspark has been seeing how the Terrans choose their alt mode. This is new lore within the Transformers brand, and a big contrast to the million year old characters who had pre-established alt mode types. Jawbreaker still has not chosen an alt mode in the show, but after that excellent episode featuring Tarantulas, it seemed certain his would lean towards an animal mode, like Nightshade. Well, we now have our first look at his alt mode and it is a Pachycephalosaurus (well, a Stygimoloch, but both are classified as the same dinosaur at the moment). We can see that dino mode ever so briefly in the sizzle reel from Nickelodeon below. We also have an image of his robot mode from french tv site gulli.fr where they give a summary of the character which you can read below in either French or English.

Jawbreaker
Jawbreaker est un gentil géant ! Son extérieur robuste et encombrant cache une grande sensibilité. Il oublie souvent sa taille et sa force. "Nous n'avions pas besoin de ce mur, n'est-ce pas ?" est vite devenu un dicton de la famille Malto.
Jawbreaker est ravi de faire partie d'une famille, car c'est comme une équipe où tout le monde s'aime.
JB croit qu'il faut voir le meilleur en chacun, et si vous ne le voyez pas, vous devez vous efforcer de le faire ressortir.
De tous les frères et sœurs, c'est lui qui est le plus en phase avec les émotions de chacun parce qu'il est animé par les siennes.
Il est seul Terrien à avoir un surnom, JB, ce qui lui donne le sentiment d'être accepté et spécial.
Jawbreaker est le plus curieux concernant les liens entre les Terrans et leur héritage cybertronien et de ce qu'ils peuvent en apprendre. Il rêve de devenir un jour une légende comme Optimus Prime.
Jawbreaker a choisi un herbivore non agressif qui vivait en meute, un STYGIMOLOCH à tête osseuse (alias "Stiggy"), comme mode alternatif. En mode combat, il utilise son crâne blindé incassable pour assommer ses ennemis et défendre ses amis. Il adore faire la fête en faisant des câlins avec ses petits bras de T. Rex.

Jawbreaker is a gentle giant! Its robust and bulky exterior hides great sensitivity. He often forgets his size and strength. "We didn't need this wall, did we?" soon became a Malto family saying.
Jawbreaker is excited to be part of a family, because it's like a team where everyone loves each other.
JB believes in seeing the best in everyone, and if you don't see it, you should strive to bring it out.
Of all the siblings, he is the most in tune with each other's emotions because he is driven by his own.
He is the only Earthling with a nickname, JB, which makes him feel accepted and special.
Jawbreaker is most curious about the Terran's connection to their Cybertronian heritage and what they can learn from it. He dreams of one day becoming a legend like Optimus Prime.
Jawbreaker chose a non-aggressive herbivore that lived in packs, a Bone-Headed STYGIMOLOCH (aka "Stiggy"), as his alternate mode. In battle mode, he uses his unbreakable armored skull to stun enemies and defend friends. He loves to party by cuddling with his little T. Rex arms.

[TulioDude]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

[Sabrblade]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

[ZeroWolf]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

That includes that yes

[Sabrblade]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

That includes that yes

Technically it's Nickelodeon France who spoiled it.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

That includes that yes

Technically it's Nickelodeon France who spoiled it.

Technically still should've been handled better.

[william-james88]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

That includes that yes

Technically it's Nickelodeon France who spoiled it.

It was spoiled simultaneously from two ends. Nickelodeon spoiled the beast mode and Gulli spoiled the bot mode.

[Hero Alpha]

Isnt the title of this news a spoiler?

This news story is itself a spoiler.

One the show is currently trying to build up to, even, trying to keep the audience in suspense about it.

Everything about this is a spoiler, and really should have had a better handled.

Does that include Nickelodeon themselves for putting it in a sizzle reel of all things?

There was some odd decisions made here for certain.

That includes that yes

Technically it's Nickelodeon France who spoiled it.

It was spoiled simultaneously from two ends. Nickelodeon spoiled the beast mode and Gulli spoiled the bot mode.

Then it was spoiled here for everyone of us that don't pay attention to Nickelodeon France, lol.

[william-james88]

While the Transformers Earthspark show has been around for months, Megyn Kelly, famous for her time on Fox News, only learnt now that the show includes the non-binary character Nightshade. She doesn't watch the show but commented on a clip featuring Nightshade discussing their pronouns with a human, calling it "disgusting". The reason this is being brought up here is because with Transformers being a franchise from the 80s, it rarely gets discussed in the older demographic (60 and up) and now Megyn has raised the show's awareness to them, who follow her, spreading outrage.

This was then picked up by her old network, Fox, with Laura Ingraham who dedicated an entire segment to it, calling the show "corrosive".

Here is a video detailing the fox news segment with clips of Laura Ingraham reacting to Transformers Earrhspark.

[Quantum Surge]

Someone in the media being riled up over a show. Other breaking news: Water...wet...

[Bumblevivisector]

The initial outrage over HUB alum SheZow didn't amount to much or last that long, did it?



Of course, that show was neither a presence on toy shelves, nor part of a decades-long franchise.

Point is, been here, done that.

Methinks this might just be a plot to get Nightshade's toy pulled before most collectors can finish their Mandroid, so some scalpers connected to the Murdochs who already have several cases stockpiled can leak them out at an 800% markup and pay off Fox News' recent legal bills! Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple!

[william-james88]

Someone in the media being riled up over a show. Other breaking news: Water...wet...

But this time it's Transformers. First time some people over 60 ever hear about that show