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[william-james88]

Hasui Shogo - the Master of Trans-FU!!!
Great interview. Always nice to hear from the creators.

You know what's crazy? That means that those 3 step RIDs that everyone hates are actually designed by the MP master himself. And inspired by Sky Garry. WOAH!

[megatronus]

Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"

Well it's not his fault. I mean Hasbro gave him a limit on pieces, that sucks.

But I dont get the part of "paying for takara". We have to pay for Hasbro too and Takara is the same price, you just have to pay for shipping:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-012326&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Ddevastator%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

18,730 Yen = 150.85 $ US

Same Price

Takara isnt getting more money from you than Hasbro would. They are actually getting less since they paid extra to give you better quality and financed their own internal design team when they could easily have just used the same Hasbro designs and called it a day.

Or you could have gone with Anime-Export:

17,500 Yen = 140.95 $ US

Though you have to pay upfront with them, which might be tough for many.

[hinomars19]

Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.

I KNOW When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.

It baffles and bothers me slightly that anybody bought the stability issue. Of course it's parts count and plastic use.
There was an interview with a Takara designer some time past (don't remember who, sadly), and he stated how the figures have to be WEIGHED! If they don't fit within a pre-determined weight then plastic has to be removed.

[Cobotron]

Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.

I KNOW When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.

It baffles and bothers me slightly that anybody bought the stability issue. Of course it's parts count and plastic use.
There was an interview with a Takara designer some time past (don't remember who, sadly), and he stated how the figures have to be WEIGHED! If they don't fit within a pre-determined weight then plastic has to be removed.

Jetfire must have been a lardass.

[Rated X]

Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

[Evil Eye]

Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

I highly doubt that Hasbro are making toys "not GEEWUN enuff" solely to annoy you. I think you overestimate your own importance.

If they are doing it to annoy you though I hope they carry on, 'cause this sh!t is hilarious.

[megatronus]

Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

I see that style of cement truck every single week. And I live in NYC.

[Sabrblade]

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling.

All six of them are modern. It's just that the other five are based on vehicle types whose designs haven't changed as much in appearance as the look of that type of cement mixer has.

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like, and all six of the Constructicons in this set are rendered as the giant mining versions of their respective altmode vehicles. The rear-mounted cement mixer design nowadays is used on the smaller-scale ones, while the bigger-scale mining ones use the front-mounted mixers. It's because they're all giant mining construction vehicles now that Mixmaster got his new look.

I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist.

Right, you live in a city, where the only cement mixers to be found would be the smaller-scaled ones used for urban and suburban jobs. This new Mixmaster toy, however, is not one of those. This one is one of the bigger-scaled giant-sized cement mixers that would be found in mining quarries and deserts away from the city, performing tasks on a much grander level of operation (like working on enormous development sites and complexes), whereas the smaller-scale ones that you commonly see are not-nearly-as-giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on much lower level of operation by comparison.

Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

As I said, all six of them have been updated from modestly-sized city construction vehicles to the gigantic-sized mining construction vehicles. The cement mixer (particularly the kind used for mining) is the only one of the six whose real world appearance has changed so drastically over the years, while the designs of the other five have remained more or less consistent in their appearances to this day.

But put the five other Constructicons next to their G1 toy counterparts (which the G1 cartoon animation models were very faithful to appearance-wise) and you'll see the big differences between the construction vehicle types of then and now:
















To cap it off, look at all the teeny tiny ladder steps on all five of the Titan class ones. That shows how gigantic the mining vehicles are compared to the city-based ones. You could never get one of these things into a downtown area without plowing through buildings to make way for these things. They are simply too big. You will likely never see these things show up in your area of residence because of how ginormous they are.

[Hellscream9999]

Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !

Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

I live near a cement factory (the dust is ) but that style is ALL that they use, so I didn't even know that they made them other ways, so I suppose it could be regional. It's still a moot point, because I don't think cement trucks are made like G1 mix' anymore, just the over-the-top style and the style like rotf mix'.

*As an aside, living in the city, you would be equally likely to see the cement pump truck - which would have been an epic update:

http://photos.imageevent.com/jctair/concretepumpmackmr688s/websize/Mack%20Cement%20Pump%20Truck%20001.JPG

http://www.windhamcoop.com/images-construction/full-image/CementTruck-04-06-2007.jpg

http://www.rigsofrods.com/images/imported/2011/03/TruckMountedConcreteBoomPumpwithCE-1.jpg

[Agamemnon]

There's a practical reason for turning the drum around. Truck drivers can now see where they need to put the cement chute so they don't back over my d@#% landscaping!

[william-james88]

Also, I would like to add that in this interview, Hasui did say that he used the idea of making them new but designed them and Devastator as a whole to still evoke G1. And he accomplishes that by making the back of Mixmaster look like the front of the old cement mixers they based the G1 design off. And the Takara version takes that design and runs with it, unlike the Hasbro version.

G1



Hasbro




Takara

[Rated X]

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

[fenrir72]

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

Wasn't that also part of the Constructicons' function? Aside from building fortifications, they also scrounged for other energy sources. If in the pilot episode #2, the Ruby Crystals of Burma were in a mine so after that episodes, the Constructicons also mined for energy resources.

Using Mixmaster are a mobile chemistry set, the raw materials are processed in his drum. Read the expanded bio Bob Budiansky made in the Marvel Universe Transformers bio compilation.

Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.

[Hellscream9999]

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.

[jay5]

Looking forward to less dead-horse beating about Devastator (even though I agree mostly with Rated X), and more UW-05 and UW-06 talk/speculation/test shots/etc.

[fenrir72]

Looking forward to less dead-horse beating about Devastator (even though I agree mostly with Rated X), and more UW-05 and UW-06 talk/speculation/test shots/etc.

This! The horse by now is already glue and petfood........really now, people should learn to do an "Elsa"

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU

[Burn]

I can't believe the Mixmaster "debate" has come up again.

[Wolfman Jake]

Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.

I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt aside your disbelief in the fantastic to make sense of fictional worlds like that of the Transformers. If you suspended your belief, you would find everything completely unbelievable. Sorry, this is just a pet peeve of mine.

[Burn]

Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.

I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt

I think you mean "put".

*BOOM* Corrected the corrector!

[Rated X]

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,

Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.

It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.

Irrelevant? Why ? Do I need an executive order from the president to find out what the hell a cement mixer would be doing at a mining operation ? Enlighten me...

And I havent ever seen one of those. It is what it is. I could ask you if youve ever seen the Oscar Mayer Weiner mobile and start calling you "ignorant" when you say no. But the bottom line is it exists just like that cement mixer.

[Rated X]

I can't believe the Mixmaster "debate" has come up again.

Because debating mixmaster is more fun than a box of jello pudding pops.

Any figure that is hated enough to inspire Dr. Wu to churn out a full blown replacement deserves healthy debate.

[no-one]

I've seen an Oscar Mayer Weiner, but have you ever seen one transform?

[Rated X]

I've seen an Oscar Mayer Weiner, but have you ever seen one transform?

That was classic!

I wouldn't mind seeing takara taking a stab at the worlds sillest combiner for that so called "Asian market" they claim exists. The weiner mobile could be the torso and they can use a variety of disney characters, hello kitty, and bearbricks to create a scramble city combiner for the Asian market.

[fenrir72]

Since we all seem to be stuck on a moebius strip........

[Evil Eye]

Ye gods it's like Sonic's blue arms all over again.

Good thing X wasn't at the interview or he might have pepper sprayed Shogo Hasui.