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gigazarak wrote:The whole stylisied movie deisgns thing could work pretty well, it could also suck pretty hard, previous attempts at CGI TF tv shows have been painful, I remember the way Roadbuster/Iron hides feet DIDN'T move as he walked!(in Superlink/Cybertron) But I guess thats just the nature of a brickformer model being casually stuffed into a 3D program and moved around with a limited bones system!

You're forgetting Beast Wars/Machines, which not only featured the best tv cgi of their time but are aslo superior to the CGI and story in E/C.
Plus this show never claimed to be G1 or movie verse, all we knew about it prior to this was that it's CGI, had Cullen and Welker, a couple of character names and what Bumblebee looked like.

Dead Metal wrote:

gigazarak wrote:The whole stylisied movie deisgns thing could work pretty well, it could also suck pretty hard, previous attempts at CGI TF tv shows have been painful, I remember the way Roadbuster/Iron hides feet DIDN'T move as he walked!(in Superlink/Cybertron) But I guess thats just the nature of a brickformer model being casually stuffed into a 3D program and moved around with a limited bones system!

You're forgetting Beast Wars/Machines, which not only featured the best tv cgi of their time but are aslo superior to the CGI and story in E/C.
Plus this show never claimed to be G1 or movie verse, all we knew about it prior to this was that it's CGI, had Cullen and Welker, a couple of character names and what Bumblebee looked like.

I didn't forget the Beast era, I just didn't mention it.

I don't think I'm wrong for mentioning G1 in the context of someone putting it out there that G1 is being adhered to in some way, I guess that's where all the arguing comes from is in the misinterpretation of "news", I apologise if I went too hard on the G1 topic.

It's always easy to blame the poor old Energon and Cybertron series, but they were re-dubs of Japanese series! They were NEVER intended to be translated into english, as far as I know. I watched the original Japanese series, and never completed watching the American dubs, the originals make sense from a Japanese culture point of view, which means that the translation to english should never have been done. But I agree, the storylines of those series, Japan or otherwise, don't hold a candle to the writing in the Beast Era. CG is arguable, but I won't bang on about it anymore.

RogueDeathangel wrote:

gigazarak wrote:Thats good, in a way, and contradicts the fact that it's claiming to be GEEWUN, because it's a different take on the origin on the TFs on earth that G1 setup, maybe it's G1 in other ways? and not just a retelling of the G1 series, oh well, we can only hope for that one day, maybe when I'm in my 70's?

Um... it's not claiming to be G1.
They never said that.
They said G1 is their biggest inspiration, but they never said it actually had anything to do with G1...

You're right I'm wrong.

RogueDeathangel wrote:

gigazarak wrote:...and people before didn't? Are they saying that SOME writers don't research their subject matter thoroughly before writing their stories? Or is that they just don't care about what came before? Or is it a case of wanting to do something different? TF:A was the best yet at explaining all of these different viewpoints, what a success! It just needed a more teenager-focussed artwork style!

Again, they never said that. You're just reading too much into what they said.
I think they're just trying to reassure the fans that this is being made by people who get the franchise, just like mainframe ad the TF:A guys etc.

You're right I'm wrong.

But why didn't they stick with the TF:A team? Surely they were doing a good job? It was a pretty well handled series if you ask me. Shame, because all they are going to get (from me at least ) is "TF:a was better", just you wait... But it will all sink in, and we'll eventually thik it's the best series ever!

RogueDeathangel wrote:

gigazarak wrote:It's a "goal" not a commitment, if the show bombs, I'm sure they'll "review" this number... But still, thats a LOT of episodes

About 3 seasons. 4 if they go for the shorter length seasons that seem to be popular right now.
About the same as animated and the Beast Era.

gigazarak wrote:Well that's a given! Who cares about those international viewers!? Besides, there's only ONE way people from outside of the U.S. of A get their TV. Yeah, I think you know what I mean.

Um, they probably care a great deal since this is where a lot their revenue will come from.
They probably just haven't finalised it legally yet, and as such cannot comment.

You're right I'm wrong, they probably haven't finalised everything for the Internationals yet. I was kinda being sarcastic, but most of my comments aren't hitting you guys at the same level.

RogueDeathangel wrote:

gigazarak wrote:The whole stylisied movie deisgns thing could work pretty well, it could also suck pretty hard, previous attempts at CGI TF tv shows have been painful, I remember the way Roadbuster/Iron hides feet DIDN'T move as he walked!(in Superlink/Cybertron) But I guess thats just the nature of a brickformer model being casually stuffed into a 3D program and moved around with a limited bones system!

On the other hand... Beast Wars

Yeah I'm not so into references to Beast Wars being the best ever. But I've already said too much...

Sorry for all the drama... yeesh

gigazarak wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

gigazarak wrote:The whole stylisied movie deisgns thing could work pretty well, it could also suck pretty hard, previous attempts at CGI TF tv shows have been painful, I remember the way Roadbuster/Iron hides feet DIDN'T move as he walked!(in Superlink/Cybertron) But I guess thats just the nature of a brickformer model being casually stuffed into a 3D program and moved around with a limited bones system!

You're forgetting Beast Wars/Machines, which not only featured the best tv cgi of their time but are aslo superior to the CGI and story in E/C.
Plus this show never claimed to be G1 or movie verse, all we knew about it prior to this was that it's CGI, had Cullen and Welker, a couple of character names and what Bumblebee looked like.

I didn't forget the Beast era, I just didn't mention it.

I don't think I'm wrong for mentioning G1 in the context of someone putting it out there that G1 is being adhered to in some way, I guess that's where all the arguing comes from is in the misinterpretation of "news", I apologise if I went too hard on the G1 topic.

It's always easy to blame the poor old Energon and Cybertron series, but they were re-dubs of Japanese series! They were NEVER intended to be translated into english, as far as I know. I watched the original Japanese series, and never completed watching the American dubs, the originals make sense from a Japanese culture point of view, which means that the translation to english should never have been done. But I agree, the storylines of those series, Japan or otherwise, don't hold a candle to the writing in the Beast Era. CG is arguable, but I won't bang on about it anymore.

They where intended to be aired in the US as they where co-produced and ordered by both Takara and Hasbro, Armada was even rushed in terms of animation since Cartoon Network didn't want to wait too long to air it. Studio GONZO the guys that made Cybertron worked closer together with Hasbro's design team than with Takara's. The only Japanese TF shows which where never intended to be translated, dubbed and aired for the US was The Headmasters, MAsterforce, Victory and RID, everything past RID was both Hasbro and Takara making a show for both markets.

Rodimus2006 wrote:I told you people that this series was movie-verse or an alternate take on it but you all said it wasnt and dogged and bashed me cause I was saying it was going to be a movie-verse series.

As was a lot of other people, what makes you so special?

I knew most of the info regarding Prime but I didnt know it was going to be 65 episodes I knew that the 1st season was going to be 26 episodes like I previously stated before.

Of course it will be. 26 eps is a standard season these days. And don't be assuming that it will run for 65 eps, they said that they "HOPE" to get 65 eps as then it will offset the production costs completely. For all we know it'll bomb after season 1. I hope not, but we'll see.

I even said Susan Blu was back as voice-director anfd would be a possible voice for a character however I didnt know that Arcee would be returning in it but since this is bases on the movies I kinda of expected it.

Speculation based on the fact that Susan Blu has worked on TF:Animated and has ties to G1. Now it's confirmed, and it's awesome.

Now since the series is 65 episodes it will be about 3 seasons long.

You're twisting words and making grand assumptions.

News Post wrote:Goal is around 65 episodes to offset the cost of creating the CG models

A goal is not a fact.

On how they will break up these episodes I have a theory on this. The 1st 13 episodes will air between October to December or Jan. Then the rest of the 13 episodes will air that summer in 2011 sometime cause 13+13= 26. unknown how they will break up seasons 2 & 3 or when they will air my guess for Season 2 is Late Fall 2011.

Most likely. Hasbro doesn't dictate what the air-scheduling is.

I also stated that this show would be in complete CGI similar to Beast Wars but better and more sophisticated that that was also the tech has improved since Beast Wars aired so expect considerable changes to the looks in CGI.

We've all known that it would be CGI. And let's face it, if it was still on par with Beast Wars, Hasbro Studios would be a laughing stock.

There will be humans in Prime but only in certain episodes and not as much thank god for this Transformers is about the bots anyways not Humans although humans have a role in the series at times they could easily make a series without them in it and this has been proven before.

Really? I was at the panel and they didn't say that humans would only be in certain episodes, which would contradict your NEST theory. The said it's robot-centric. That was it to my knowledge.

I posted info regarding Prime through the news section on Seibertron.com but since I couldnt post my proof they never posted my findings on Prime.

You've never explained why you don't post proof. You got sources? Cool! See if they'd want to give Seibertron.com the information as an anonymous source instead of a single member. Without proof, you are only seen as a rambling man holding a sign that says "THE END IS NEAR" and taken just as seriously. If you want to gain credit on this board, PM me your sources and I'll approach them on behalf of Seibertron.com and you'll get news credit every single time.

I got everything regarding Prime correct but I didndt know about

Clffjumper
Bulkhead
Arcee and her being just 1 single Bot
Megatron looking G1inish and being a Jet
And Opitmus transformation & look

You also thought that The Fallen would be the Decepticon Leader. Whoops

I did know
Megs
Starscream
Optimus
BB
Ratchet
Gen.Fowler

Dude... EVERYONE knew about them

Was in the show we knew about Ratchet & Gen.Fowler for months but unknown what role Gen.Fowler will play my guess he will be a NEST Commander or a high ranking military commander who 1st meets the Autobots.

Most likely, though another option would be that the government is out to stop the Autobots and Decepticons alike. We don't know unless your source can tell us

I guess you people should be paying closer attention to what I say cause I am now 2 times right 1st on Animated now with Prime.

It appears that you got some details wrong and posted many commonly-held beliefs as facts. I can point to some instances where you were wrong (based on what we know now), which COMPLETELY destroys any credibility you have.

Instead of dogging & bashing me you should be thankful I take the time to research these things I spent countless hours reseaching this.

If you do research, why not share your methodology with the News Staff? We'd love new sources of information.

I cant provide proof cause my reseach comes from all over the place from various sites such as my research on Animated did.

You should see some of the emails we receive with link after link after link. You obviously have spent a great amount of time researching and even making this post. Why not spend 10 more minutes emailing news@seibertron.com with a full bibliography of your research? It is not proof if it cannot be publically verified by trusted sources. Seibertron.com counts as a trusted source because of an entire news staff that can verify all stories in one way or another. You are not a trusted source yet because you are either too lazy to post the proof and your methodology or you simply can't. I don't know which it is, but I'm hoping that it's the former.

I been doing research on TF 3 as well figuring out which Bots will be in the teams and more on the plot of the film.

I have some info regarding TF 3 until i get more info on this I will keep it to my self for right now until I am 100% sure on this I dont wanna get hated on for sending false info on the movie.

Why not email the news@seibertron.com with your findings and research mothods and we can see if that qualifies as news?

But I been right so far on Prime and others I wanna keep my track record good.

Rumours and false facts do not a track record make.

I will send more info on Prime if I come across any I am also suprised we didnt get a full trailer for Prime I was sure they would cause Animated debuted at Botcon I was hoping the same on Prime.

That's because the 3D Models aren't ready yet, so no trailer

I guess we will have the trailer in another month or so I hope it worth the wait.

You and me both, but given that the models aren't all done yet, I would suspect in August

Rodimus2006: If you provide either myself or the News Crew with a full set of links and research methods (including email addresses and names) that I can dra the same conclusions as you; I will make a board announcement apologizing for my response to your postings and will take you more seriously from now on, providing that you can back up each story.

I have made my terms and I await a response.

Dead Metal wrote:

gigazarak wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

gigazarak wrote:The whole stylisied movie deisgns thing could work pretty well, it could also suck pretty hard, previous attempts at CGI TF tv shows have been painful, I remember the way Roadbuster/Iron hides feet DIDN'T move as he walked!(in Superlink/Cybertron) But I guess thats just the nature of a brickformer model being casually stuffed into a 3D program and moved around with a limited bones system!

You're forgetting Beast Wars/Machines, which not only featured the best tv cgi of their time but are aslo superior to the CGI and story in E/C.
Plus this show never claimed to be G1 or movie verse, all we knew about it prior to this was that it's CGI, had Cullen and Welker, a couple of character names and what Bumblebee looked like.

I didn't forget the Beast era, I just didn't mention it.

I don't think I'm wrong for mentioning G1 in the context of someone putting it out there that G1 is being adhered to in some way, I guess that's where all the arguing comes from is in the misinterpretation of "news", I apologise if I went too hard on the G1 topic.

It's always easy to blame the poor old Energon and Cybertron series, but they were re-dubs of Japanese series! They were NEVER intended to be translated into english, as far as I know. I watched the original Japanese series, and never completed watching the American dubs, the originals make sense from a Japanese culture point of view, which means that the translation to english should never have been done. But I agree, the storylines of those series, Japan or otherwise, don't hold a candle to the writing in the Beast Era. CG is arguable, but I won't bang on about it anymore.

They where intended to be aired in the US as they where co-produced and ordered by both Takara and Hasbro, Armada was even rushed in terms of animation since Cartoon Network didn't want to wait too long to air it. Studio GONZO the guys that made Cybertron worked closer together with Hasbro's design team than with Takara's. The only Japanese TF shows which where never intended to be translated, dubbed and aired for the US was The Headmasters, MAsterforce, Victory and RID, everything past RID was both Hasbro and Takara making a show for both markets.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, but even if they were intended to be translated to english, then they were still too japan-centric in the first place, and were strange in english if you ask me. And IF YOU ASK ME (notice how I'm having to qualify everything!?) the english translation version, is not as "good" (my value judgement) as the American one for that reason. So they probably shouldn't have been translated into english. IMHO.

If we are lucky Transformers: Prime will take place after War for Cybertron.

Here's my reasoning for having hope about that...

1. They are keeping mum about the toys (Cause they are the same as W4C? )

2. In the notes from the panel, Cybertron is a "husk" and TFs have fled it.

3. Mentions of a CG style that looks like a cross between G1 and movie, ummm just like W4C does?

4. I swear I read a back issue of the TF club magazine that said TF: Prime and W4C are related.

5. Wikipedia - look up War for Cybertron. Currently says W4C is a prequel story for TF: Prime. Who put it there? Don't know. Dubiousness of Wiki entry? I acknowledge, but it gives some hope at least, though most likely just speculation.

I am definitely excited about this series. Seeing the developing artwork was nice and hearing that Cullen/Welker are working together again was a joy to hear. Cullen spoke very fondly of him during his panel and it was nice to hear that he enjoys working with him. Good chemistry like that should produce some good voice acting. Can't wait to see more news roll out on this series.

AutobotJazz wrote:I am definitely excited about this series. Seeing the developing artwork was nice and hearing that Cullen/Welker are working together again was a joy to hear. Cullen spoke very fondly of him during his panel and it was nice to hear that he enjoys working with him. Good chemistry like that should produce some good voice acting. Can't wait to see more news roll out on this series.

Yeah you'd hope that the voice actors being "in-tune" with one another would help things along, but I'm a skeptic, I'd think the writers doing the dialogue will largely determine the way the characters interact with one another. But at least they will be happy with one another, I guess that's a plus.

gigazarak wrote:Yeah you'd hope that the voice actors being "in-tune" with one another would help things along, but I'm a skeptic, I'd think the writers doing the dialogue will largely determine the way the characters interact with one another. But at least they will be happy with one another, I guess that's a plus.

Yeah, the writers will have a lot to do with it.
But sometimes with voice actors you can tell they just don't... gel with each other. And that can cause good writing and solid dialogue to come off as stuff and rubbish.
So at least we know that probably won't be a problem with this show.

BTW, did we find out if Welker and Cullen are Megs and Prime?

Don't get excited becuase you hear G1, we already know what bumblebee will look like and he is a modified version of his movie form. And everyone feels how the movie was nothing like G1, but if you closed you're eyes it's actualy pretty much the same. The look of the movie was so different we have put it in its own section. So when they say it will be G1 focussed it doesn't mean we will se characters that look good. At the end of the day G1 means something different to everyone.

Full CG show (computer animation cartoon)
Movie set the bar for Autobot - Decepticon action
Crazy awesome action
Amazed at what they have in the show
Level of CG never been attempted for TV
Show picks up on Earth
Bots and Cons have been living on Earth for a while
Group of Autobots stayed behind
Some have left
Cybertron is a bit of a husk
Decepticon activity is at a minimum
Decepticons return
Optimus Prime is leading the Autobots
Megatron returns
Group of Autobots: Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Arcee (motorcycle), Bulkhead, Ratchet, Cliffjumper
Group of Decepticons: Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave
Exploring the characters in new and different ways
People behind the show really do get it
Currently working on the last few scripts of the first season
26 episodes initially

Everything sounds GREAT!!! EXCEPT for that Decepticon activity is at a minimum!!!

That is the only thing I did not like about TFA. Decepticons are only in 7 episodes first season.

These writers are suppose to get it BUT MOST episodes in TF PRIME, the Autbots will be fighting NON Decepticon villains

TylerDante69 wrote:Full CG show (computer animation cartoon)
Movie set the bar for Autobot - Decepticon action
Crazy awesome action
Amazed at what they have in the show
Level of CG never been attempted for TV
Show picks up on Earth
Bots and Cons have been living on Earth for a while
Group of Autobots stayed behind
Some have left
Cybertron is a bit of a husk
Decepticon activity is at a minimum
Decepticons return
Optimus Prime is leading the Autobots
Megatron returns
Group of Autobots: Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Arcee (motorcycle), Bulkhead, Ratchet, Cliffjumper
Group of Decepticons: Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave
Exploring the characters in new and different ways
People behind the show really do get it
Currently working on the last few scripts of the first season
26 episodes initially

Everything sounds GREAT!!! EXCEPT for that Decepticon activity is at a minimum!!!

That is the only thing I did not like about TFA. Decepticons are only in 7 episodes first season.

These writers are suppose to get it BUT MOST episodes in TF PRIME, the Autbots will be fighting NON Decepticon villains

OR it could mean that when the show starts, Decepticon activity has been at a minimum up until that point, and it's in the first episode or so that they start coming back in force. At least that's how I interpreted it from the moment I first read it.

"computer animation cartoon" hmmm... ever since beast wars those words make me feel sick.

Seibertron wrote:The Hub channel debuts 10-10-10 (October 10th, 2010).

That day is my least favorite day of the year, it's my mother's death day. I'm seldom if ever in a good mood on October 10th

no news in there about humans. i could not be happier.