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For me seeing Megatron sitting in the alleyway all depressed was the nail in the coffin.
He was a shadow of the Megatron we all know, in the first one he was his most dangerous.
It took a human to inspire him to fight just to get pawned by Optimus at the end.

thefrenzybear wrote:For me seeing Megatron sitting in the alleyway all depressed was the nail in the coffin.
He was a shadow of the Megatron we all know, in the first one he was his most dangerous.
It took a human to inspire him to fight just to get pawned by Optimus at the end.

A bot he swear he killed got back up, mutilated his body and utterly destroyed his master. He was left crippled and weak but only maintained power due to fear of him. The moment someone stronger stepped up he was quickly forgotten by his compatriots.

It makes sense for him to be depressed. Watching the once proud Megatron wallowing in self pity was kind of satisfying to be honest. Never seen him like that in a Transformers series before.

Capt.Failure wrote:

thefrenzybear wrote:For me seeing Megatron sitting in the alleyway all depressed was the nail in the coffin.
He was a shadow of the Megatron we all know, in the first one he was his most dangerous.
It took a human to inspire him to fight just to get pawned by Optimus at the end.

A bot he swear he killed got back up, mutilated his body and utterly destroyed his master. He was left crippled and weak but only maintained power due to fear of him. The moment someone stronger stepped up he was quickly forgotten by his compatriots.

It makes sense for him to be depressed. Watching the once proud Megatron wallowing in self pity was kind of satisfying to be honest. Never seen him like that in a Transformers series before.

Good points, It's just something that maybe could have been developed alot more in the film. His struggle for power within ranks.

To add, I guess Optimus was different also. He seemed very ruthless and showed no mercy to the Decepticons.

thefrenzybear wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

thefrenzybear wrote:For me seeing Megatron sitting in the alleyway all depressed was the nail in the coffin.
He was a shadow of the Megatron we all know, in the first one he was his most dangerous.
It took a human to inspire him to fight just to get pawned by Optimus at the end.

A bot he swear he killed got back up, mutilated his body and utterly destroyed his master. He was left crippled and weak but only maintained power due to fear of him. The moment someone stronger stepped up he was quickly forgotten by his compatriots.

It makes sense for him to be depressed. Watching the once proud Megatron wallowing in self pity was kind of satisfying to be honest. Never seen him like that in a Transformers series before.

Good points, It's just something that maybe could have been developed alot more in the film. His struggle for power within ranks.

To add, I guess Optimus was different also. He seemed very ruthless and showed no mercy to the Decepticons.

That's often brought up as being "out of character" for him. People making such a claim forget the '86 movie where he gunned down 11 'cons with zero remorse before making an attempt on Megatron's life. And he would have killed him if Hotrod hadn't screwed up. The only thing that changed about Optimus was the shackles of the FCC were taken off once again. The fact he's willing to decisively deal with the villains of the films is a trait more heroes need.

Capt.Failure wrote:No, they really are crap. I couldn't watch more than a few episodes of Prime before I turned off the TV for good.

Then you are one of the few people he said so Actually, Prime have anything what was good in Bayformers, add something from other series and from itself and it avoid some of it's mistake.

The script for RotF turned out how it did because those two decided to not finish the job after collecting their paycheck and quitting for the Writer's Guild Strike. They're lazy, no talent hacks.

Here you are right, but still, Devastator's balls, all this absurdal jokes and very weak final fight are all Bay's own ideas. Without that kind of details movie would be much better. We have a lot of good movies with poor and uninteresting script. It is important how movie is done.

2: The plot/characterization and related problems - That was Orci and Kurtzman. Michael Bay is not a script writer, nor has he ever written one. When they handed him an unfinished script he had to bring in a non-guild writer to finish it mid-filming.

Then how he could change all by itself both RotF and DotM endings? Both RotF and DotM ednings were result of Bay's wision. Aperently, your way the team works is kinda... unimportant in real life.

Considering that thanks to Decepticons Optimus lost his home, most of his comrades, and piece of itself, it isn't suprise that he became what he was later.

TurboMMaster wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:No, they really are crap. I couldn't watch more than a few episodes of Prime before I turned off the TV for good.

Then you are one of the few people he said so Actually, Prime have anything what was good in Bayformers, add something from other series and from itself and it avoid some of it's mistake.

The script for RotF turned out how it did because those two decided to not finish the job after collecting their paycheck and quitting for the Writer's Guild Strike. They're lazy, no talent hacks.

Here you are right, but still, Devastator's balls, all this absurdal jokes and very weak final fight are all Bay's own ideas. Without that kind of details movie would be much better. We have a lot of good movies with poor and uninteresting script. It is important how movie is done.

2: The plot/characterization and related problems - That was Orci and Kurtzman. Michael Bay is not a script writer, nor has he ever written one. When they handed him an unfinished script he had to bring in a non-guild writer to finish it mid-filming.

Then how he could change all by itself both RotF and DotM endings? Both RotF and DotM ednings were result of Bay's wision. Aperently, your way the team works is kinda... unimportant in real life.

Considering that thanks to Decepticons Optimus lost his home, most of his comrades, and piece of itself, it isn't suprise that he became what he was later.

Turbo, I'm going to be frank:

1) I'm telling you facts. Trying to say, "No, you're wrong" in this case isn't changing anything. All you're doing is looking like someone who can't face reality.

2) You're derailing the thread. Stop it.

Capt. and Turbomaster, with due respect to you both, I think there are some slight details to get straight.

First off, Orci and Kurtzman are the producers of TF Prime, not the writers. Their writing staff is headed by Duane Capizzi with Marsha Griffin as story editor. The list of script writers does not include Orci or Kurtzman.

So whether or not TF Prime is a good show, which itself is wholly subjective, is beside the point.

Further info can be found here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Prime_%28cartoon%29

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Capt. and Turbomaster, with due respect to you both, I think there are some slight details to get straight.

First off, Orci and Kurtzman are the producers of TF Prime, not the writers. Their writing staff is headed by Duane Capizzi with Marsha Griffin as story editor. The list of script writers does not include Orci or Kurtzman.

So whether or not TF Prime is a good show, which itself is wholly subjective, is beside the point.

Further info can be found here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Prime_%28cartoon%29

Oh, well I stand corrected on their role in the show. They're both still hacks, and terrible writers.

Capt.Failure wrote:Turbo, I'm going to be frank:

1) I'm telling you facts. Trying to say, "No, you're wrong" in this case isn't changing anything.

What kind of facts? Anything you write here is strictly against all informations about DotM and RotF production. Bay changed the movie ending, witch is clear, because they delayed a premiere of already done movie and we got different ending than in book and comic,yet you still say that he can't do this "because you telling facts." Unfotunetly you said one thing, reality other. Also, you said that DotM: The Game isn't canonical, because Movie is more importent, while the Game is oficcial game prequel. You saidyou know Hasbro marketing techniques better than Hasbro members itself? Anyone can create that kind of "facts". Sory, but it'shard to belive a words of one person when this words are against pretty much entire internet.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:First off, Orci and Kurtzman are the producers of TF Prime, not the writers. Their writing staff is headed by Duane Capizzi with Marsha Griffin as story editor. The list of script writers does not include Orci or Kurtzman.

Well, I must agree. I make a mistake here, mea culpa. Yet still, as a producers, they have their right's.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:So whether or not TF Prime is a good show, which itself is wholly subjective, is beside the point.

That is why, Failure should'ntwrite that Prime low quality is a "fact". That is his personal opinion, that is a huge difference.

What kind of facts? Anything you write here is strictly against all informations about DotM and RotF production.

The kind of facts that are the truth? Denial doesn't make you right. It only makes you more wrong.