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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby -Soundwave- » Tue May 03, 2011 9:26 pm

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_Anshin_ wrote:I am more than willing to go one on one with Sustain. Problem is I tend to beat her down so easily and people sneeze and she falls over before I can put the final dent in her broken frame. Now Thundertron is another story. That's a con that actually has some bite.

He hasn't played but 2 missions since Thursday. I'm trying to get my XP gap to close. He'll be back soon enough. I only have one level 4 left...
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Editor » Tue May 03, 2011 9:37 pm

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What're we having tonight?


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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Tue May 03, 2011 11:43 pm

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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby -Soundwave- » Wed May 04, 2011 12:00 am

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*passes foods out.* Everything is good with beer isn't it? *gets comfortable for the weekend party to start.*
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby slip » Wed May 04, 2011 12:07 am

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Sustain wrote:*passes foods out.* Everything is good with beer isn't it? *gets comfortable for the weekend party to start.*

Wait all of you she's just trying to get you drunk.
Quick give me all the beer so you can avoid this dispicable plot.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Editor » Wed May 04, 2011 12:14 am

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Nah, Sustain handles the passing out of drinks in order to ensure we don't drink hers.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby slip » Wed May 04, 2011 12:24 am

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Editor wrote:Nah, Sustain handles the passing out of drinks in order to ensure we don't drink hers.

That doesn't stop you from giving me yours. I'll replace it colored water, she'll be non the wiser. Nor will i but with something something comes great sacrafice.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby -Soundwave- » Wed May 04, 2011 12:29 am

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Editor wrote:Nah, Sustain handles the passing out of drinks in order to ensure we don't drink hers.

Damn Straight.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 1:26 am

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But i'm not drinking alcohol, i'm drinking water. :wink:
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Name_Violation » Wed May 04, 2011 6:09 am

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_Anshin_ wrote:I hate to admit it, but I do offer good XP don't I?

define "good", also are we grading on a bell curve?
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby The Potentate » Wed May 04, 2011 6:55 am

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_Anshin_ wrote:I hate to admit it, but I do offer good XP don't I?

define "good", also are we grading on a bell curve?


Ive got to think "consistent" was the word he wanted.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby _Anshin_ » Wed May 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Burn wrote:You know what's funny?

Anshin runs his little mouth off day in and day out, but I never see him in 1-11 missions. His only "victories" over me (and most likely Sustain and Psychout as well) have been my level 3's.

I dunno, just seems to me like someone can make a lot of noise, but is afraid to step into a place where an even bigger gun can be pointed at him.

Bored now ...

P.S. Shut up Bar Wench.

Ah Burn Welcome back man.

As for running my mouth off, well if you could keep your cons out of the CR long enough you would be able to see me in the 1-11 missions. I even put my level 1s in there. The problem with 1-11 missions are that sometimes they just don't populate the mission lists because there aren't enough high level people playing at the time. Wait... hang on I know you've been around for a while, perhaps it slipped your mind we play at different times as well or perhaps that the missions are random and we don't always get the top dollar missions. *Yawn* Sad I have to explain this to you.

List of 1-11 missions
No Burn
No Burn
No Burn
No Burn
No Burn
I see a trend here...
Still no burn
There he is! My level 1 vs Burn's lvl 4

Bah... enough of you, go make me a Sammich!
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 2:21 pm

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_Anshin_ wrote:Wait... hang on I know you've been around for a while, perhaps it slipped your mind we play at different times as well or perhaps that the missions are random and we don't always get the top dollar missions. *Yawn* Sad I have to explain this to you.


Pathetic. Absoloutely pathetic.

You proceed to "lecture" me then turn around and demonstrate your hypocrisy.

You're just an annoying little loud mouth claiming cheap "victories" while hiding behind and riding the coat tails of much more worthy opponents.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby _Anshin_ » Wed May 04, 2011 2:40 pm

Burn wrote:
_Anshin_ wrote:Wait... hang on I know you've been around for a while, perhaps it slipped your mind we play at different times as well or perhaps that the missions are random and we don't always get the top dollar missions. *Yawn* Sad I have to explain this to you.


Pathetic. Absoloutely pathetic.

You proceed to "lecture" me then turn around and demonstrate your hypocrisy.

You're just an annoying little loud mouth claiming cheap "victories" while hiding behind and riding the coat tails of much more worthy opponents.

No Hypocrisy was stated man. Out of twelve bots with 5 logs each I was only able to pull that many (1-11s). Of which you were only in one. If you check the time that you and I finally matched up for a match you will see exactly what I am talking about.

As for claiming cheap victories, its you that has to hide behind and ride the coat tails of everyone else. Pretty much in even level matches you don't stand up. In the 1-11 you survive because NV or somebody else is there to soften everyone else up for you. Don't get me wrong. You have some nice builds at upper levels, but the cons you have at my level are just as bad as my builds.

Seriously man, if I annoy you that much you are free not to comment on anything I say, otherwise I would suggest you realize that half of what I joke about with is exactly that... A Joke.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 2:51 pm

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_Anshin_ wrote:No Hypocrisy was stated man. Out of twelve bots with 5 logs each I was only able to pull that many (1-11s). Of which you were only in one. If you check the time that you and I finally matched up for a match you will see exactly what I am talking about.


Let me put it like this.

I see you plenty of times in the lower level missions at the same times the 1-11's are running, and they're more frequent then you like to believe.

I stand by my statement you're a coward.

As for claiming cheap victories, its you that has to hide behind and ride the coat tails of everyone else. Pretty much in even level matches you don't stand up. In the 1-11 you survive because NV or somebody else is there to soften everyone else up for you.


If i'm hiding behind others, why is it i've managed to get my top bots to steadily rise through the ranks? Why is it when i'm outnumbered I may end up defeated but I still come out on top with more than my base xp.

Cheap and pathetic smack talk. Bored ... where's my breakfast Sustain?

Don't get me wrong. You have some nice builds at upper levels, but the cons you have at my level are just as bad as my builds.


At the lower levels the stats have SOME but more often than not, little influence. It's still pretty random. Plus my level 3's? Haven't been reset in over a year. Can you make that claim? That you play this game without resetting? That you struggle on with a build?

Thought not.

Seriously man, if I annoy you that much you are free not to comment on anything I say, otherwise I would suggest you realize that half of what I joke about with is exactly that... A Joke.


You don't annoy me. I just think you're lame. Big difference. :wink:
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby -Soundwave- » Wed May 04, 2011 3:04 pm

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I'll have you know Burn the Bar and Grill is set up with PST time so the breakfast menu is over.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby botomb » Wed May 04, 2011 3:08 pm

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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 3:16 pm

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I don't care what menu it is, just feed me woman!
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby -Soundwave- » Wed May 04, 2011 3:41 pm

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*Throws a batch of fish and chips at Burn.* Catch of the day.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 3:45 pm

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Sustain wrote:*Throws a batch of fish and chips at Burn.* Catch of the day.


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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Bristleback » Wed May 04, 2011 3:49 pm

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Burn wrote:Plus my level 3's? Haven't been reset in over a year.

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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby _Anshin_ » Wed May 04, 2011 5:07 pm

Burn wrote:Let me put it like this.

I see you plenty of times in the lower level missions at the same times the 1-11's are running, and they're more frequent then you like to believe.

I stand by my statement you're a coward.

Ever think that perhaps I joined a mission before the 1-11 issues. I tend to join missions as they come up. If you are talking about the occasional missions that are tend to go off with 1 minute left to go where the numbers are 2 bots vs 10 cons, then yes I probably didn't join because I would much rather gather join a game at my level and walk away with XP than get completely shut out.

If i'm hiding behind others, why is it i've managed to get my top bots to steadily rise through the ranks? Why is it when i'm outnumbered I may end up defeated but I still come out on top with more than my base xp.

The same way I have managed to take my top bots to steadily rise through the ranks. The same way I am able to be outnumbered and outleveled and still win, because RNG sometimes favors the under dog. Hell the bragging thread is filled with examples of this by everyone that has posted there. I recently showed my level 2 taking out a level 4 and still having 48% of his health left. RNG is a wicked mistress sometimes.

At the lower levels the stats have SOME but more often than not, little influence. It's still pretty random. Plus my level 3's? Haven't been reset in over a year. Can you make that claim? That you play this game without resetting? That you struggle on with a build?

Thought not.

Well if you haven't reset your level 3's in over a year that is good for you. Considering I didn't start playing again since around October/November of 2010 and at that point managed to move up my top bot from level 0 to level 4 and half of my team up to level three and four, including moving past some of your team. Yes I have reset over half my team a dozen times since around January. But unlike you I still try to learn and experiment with this game to find out as much as I can from the math and the different builds out there. Parts of my team are modeled around Sustain, Yours, NV, Potentate, and a few others builds as test models.

The same way you wish to call me a coward for not fighting a useless fight are you calling me an idiot because I see a flaw with a certain build and can man up and admit to my mistakes and change to better my team?

You don't annoy me. I just think you're lame. Big difference. :wink:


Perhaps you are right about being lame, but the big difference between you and I is that you instantly fall into name calling when you don't have stats or facts to fall back on as if what you think about me really has any effect on my life. I on the other hand have taken it and tried to work with you and show you respect. Just because somebody doesn't play the way you like doesn't make it wrong.

If you want to show how well you grow and your team does, why don't you enter Sustain's Mini XP game and show the rest of us how its done.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 6:19 pm

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_Anshin_ wrote:Well if you haven't reset your level 3's in over a year that is good for you. Considering I didn't start playing again since around October/November of 2010 and at that point managed to move up my top bot from level 0 to level 4 and half of my team up to level three and four, including moving past some of your team. Yes I have reset over half my team a dozen times since around January. But unlike you I still try to learn and experiment with this game to find out as much as I can from the math and the different builds out there. Parts of my team are modeled around Sustain, Yours, NV, Potentate, and a few others builds as test models.


It's not hard to move past my lower six bots. They may only see 3-4 deployments a day during the working week as when i'm at work I only send out the top 6. I think of the lower six as fillers.

As for experimenting, I don't need to experiment. I know what works and what doesn't work, i've known it for a long time. I just like to do things differently than others, that's why some of mine tend to have intell and rank!

The same way you wish to call me a coward for not fighting a useless fight are you calling me an idiot because I see a flaw with a certain build and can man up and admit to my mistakes and change to better my team?


Never called you an idiot.

I do however think it's silly that people spend time "experimenting" when all the experimenting has been done and they could just ask.

You don't annoy me. I just think you're lame. Big difference. :wink:


Perhaps you are right about being lame, but the big difference between you and I is that you instantly fall into name calling when you don't have stats or facts to fall back on as if what you think about me really has any effect on my life. I on the other hand have taken it and tried to work with you and show you respect. Just because somebody doesn't play the way you like doesn't make it wrong.


Before writing me off, I suggest you get to know me.

If you want to show how well you grow and your team does, why don't you enter Sustain's Mini XP game and show the rest of us how its done.


You want the honest to goodness answer as to why I don't enter those sorts of things or why I rarely use the bragging thread?

Because I spent years boasting and bragging and being an arrogant arsehole. I reached a point where i'd achieved so damn much I was bragging about the same things over and over again. It was getting boring and it was pissing people off.

So I stopped. I stopped, stepped back, and let others have their day.

That being said, if people want to brag against me, well I have my standards. Beat me? Hey that's fine. But make sure your side doesn't out number mine and you don't allow me to make base xp.

You shut me out, you deny me valuable xp, and you do it on a fair basis, then you can brag. Otherwise, in my eyes, you've (and i'm generalising there for the record) done nothing impressive.

I also set my own personal levels of standards. I keep my weekly spreadsheet and track my own progress. I set my own goals. I don't measure myself against anyone else, there's nothing egotistical about it, I just don't feel the need to prove myself to others, I only need to meet my own goals, and that's just not relegated to this game, that's how I am in life.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby _Anshin_ » Wed May 04, 2011 6:42 pm

Part of the fun for this game for me is finding the math out. While I know there are people (You, Sustain, etc) that know a good deal about the game I have found that being handed the answers doesn't help a person understand the game nor does it teach me how to build a better mouse trap. I have no problem with having a character fail for two weeks if I find out that a point of strength applies to about x .1 on a weapons modifier and provides a + of 3% increase. Just loading bots up and following a cookie cutter makes the game boring.

Trust me man, I have been trying to get to know you and play friendly with you, however it seems I get met with insults and disparaging comments.
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Re: Know your Enemies

Postby Burn » Wed May 04, 2011 10:46 pm

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I never give out answers though, I give cryptic run around, point you in the right direction and boot you up the arse answers.

More fun for me.
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