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ZeroWolf wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:
I would ask why he gets this hate, but you summed it up already Burn. Bay made a highly successful film franchise out of our beloved brand. How dare he!

A highly successful film franchise with action sequences shot like a flaming lawnmower running over the audience, flat characters, a skewed human-transformer screentime ratio, female characters that exist only to be treated like eye candy, and the twins. And I say that as someone who decently enjoys the Bay movies. But yes its obviously because he makes a lot of money of course

Flat characters and female characters you should speak to the writers everything else is a fine complaint, as long as they realize it's just their opinion. In the first couple I didn't find any problems with the fight sequences or plot. That's my opinion (like it's my opinion that DOTM is the worse).

I actually think DOTM had the best shot action, mostly because Bay was forced to slow down his editing due to it being shot in 3D. If things go too fast it looks awful in 3D. I also think Carly was a far better character than Mikela (though thats not saying much), still I hated how wasted Megatron and Shockwave were, and the ending. I haven't seen AoE but I've heard good things about it...well more positive things. All in all it was a good remake of "Megatron's Master Plan"

I was bored stupid for most, and while the idea of humans taking down transformers doesn't bother me in the slightest, I wish it was better executed. The plot was bland and I'd guessed almost everything with the exception of ironhide. I thought he would of died later. Megs really had no reason to be in the film other than to die again. Shockwave was just a grunt compared to whatwe were led to believe. I just wasn't impressed at all.

On the human transformers ratio side, it's cheaper to use people then effects, especially how expensive the tfs are.

JetOptimus23 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:
I would ask why he gets this hate, but you summed it up already Burn. Bay made a highly successful film franchise out of our beloved brand. How dare he!

A highly successful film franchise with action sequences shot like a flaming lawnmower running over the audience, flat characters, a skewed human-transformer screentime ratio, female characters that exist only to be treated like eye candy, and the twins. And I say that as someone who decently enjoys the Bay movies. But yes its obviously because he makes a lot of money of course

Flat characters and female characters you should speak to the writers everything else is a fine complaint, as long as they realize it's just their opinion. In the first couple I didn't find any problems with the fight sequences or plot. That's my opinion (like it's my opinion that DOTM is the worse).

I actually think DOTM had the best shot action, mostly because Bay was forced to slow down his editing due to it being shot in 3D. If things go too fast it looks awful in 3D. I also think Carly was a far better character than Mikela (though thats not saying much), still I hated how wasted Megatron and Shockwave were, and the ending. I haven't seen AoE but I've heard good things about it...well more positive things. All in all it was a good remake of "Megatron's Master Plan"

I recommend to watch TF 4,this movie,this movie in my opinion has one best human/TF ratio from the series.And if more good words before deciding the official discussion thread has some good wors too.