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Ok dont get me wrong im a missions person normally but you know what they say a change is as good as a rest, so from tomorrow for a whole week im only going to be putting Airstorm Alpha and Zordimus maximus (my 2 level 7s) in to missions. All my other guys (all level 6s) will be waiting in the arena que (as and when i/they can)

So all im asking if any of the cons out there with their level 6s want to have a little one on one rumble, click the area tab and if you see my guys waiting tick that old fight option and click submit

Hell no. Haven't touched that place since the reset and have no intention of doing so ever again.

I wish we could pull the bots out of the arena too.. this is my largest problem with trying to level up.

I have been doing the math and while on paper the bots outnumber the cons, this is really only true at level zero.
Looking at The Summary Page

As of Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:52 am
We have the following numbers
Bots = Autobots
Cons = Decepticons
B2C = Bots to Cons Ratio
C2B = Cons to Bots Ratio

Lvl_____Bots____Cons____Total____B2C_____C2B
0_______734_____478_____1212____60.56%__39.44%
1_______433_____372_____805_____53.79%__46.21%
2_______279_____246_____525_____53.14%__46.86%
3_______142_____236_____378_____37.57%__62.43%
4_______67______87______154_____43.51%__56.49%
5_______30______45______75______40.00%__60.00%
6_______35______16______51______68.63%__31.37%
7_______13______6_______19______68.42%__31.58%
8_______2_______5_______7_______28.57%__71.43%


The numbers are pretty even.
Throwing out Level 0 (since level 0 can not participate in high cross level missions), we end up with 1001 Bots and 1013 cons. If we take the upper limit assumption and assume that all commanders have a team of 12 we end up with
Bots: 84 commanders (83 and one with a team of 4)
Cons: 85 commanders (84 and one with a team of 4)
If we did any of the other limit factors (IE Teams of only 6 or Teams of only 3 or as the limit approaches 12 from 1) you will find that they only outnumber us (bots/maximals) by one or two commanders, yet they dominate in the missions.

This can be seen further if you look at the levels we control. As you can see from the data posted here we Control Level 0,6,7. They control the numbers for 3,4,5,8. Levels 1 and 2 are pretty even since you can throw out inconsistent players and variables such as new levels or old levels showing.

The problem that we have is that we have a ton of people that log in and just throw their bots/cons into the arena and then leave. At lower levels the bots do this, I can't attest after level 3 what the cons do or bots do, but I would assume that its the same.

I've always thought the arena could die and fade away. Anshin it's always been that way numbers wise. Course the cons are a bit more dedicated. I've always wondered what would happen though if the bots ever massed. I think it would still be the same result just a little more interesting

Well, in real life I do programming/security work for a company. However I am considered an analyst. Running just the numbers and giving factors such as bad builds (all int/skill on a rammer, etc), If we kept the arena just for Level 0, and pulled it for any level after that we would end up with a time vs area.

Right now I have played from 4am to about 1 or 2 am est. For a major part of the day (past 3 days not counting due to excessive work, school, etc. I tend to find the following

The bots are mostly outmatched due to excessive numbers during the day time. Towards the end of the night the con's numbers decrease and the bot's numbers increase slightly. During mid day (fluctuations between 10am and 2pm spread) the bots numbers increase slightly. At the end of the night the numbers balance out but at my level I still seem to find 2-3 bot commanders (which if you factor it in balances out the unbalanced missions) sitting in the arenas. This happens through out the day. If we removed the arena and factored in a revolve time of 1 hour (Arena load and drop time) we are looking at the best at 50% increase in even number fights and at worst a 35% increase in fair fights. If you spread this evenly (I know unlikely, but still for mathematical sake) You get those numbers I just stated. In truth, you will have grouping spikes. Which means around 12 you would have a 24-32% increase in participation, while at around 3am you would more likely have a 50-70% increase (this number is higher only because if you have 3 people playing and one person joins it has a higher effect than if you have 8 people playing an 1 person joins).

Looking at outnumbered (3,5,6,7,8) areas you have the difference of 2 commanders vs 1. At this point in time the effect of removing the Arena will be much larger. You end up with 75% chance of them participating and a 25% chance of them not. Again this is based off of probability and assumption. Without a test or practical knowledge or simulations (maybe Burn would be able to chime in and help) I cant be sure my numbers are even close to being accurate.

Burn wrote:Hell no. Haven't touched that place since the reset and have no intention of doing so ever again.

Same thing. I'd rather die in an outnumber mission, than waste time and energon on Arena battles.

Editor wrote:

Burn wrote:Hell no. Haven't touched that place since the reset and have no intention of doing so ever again.

Same thing. I'd rather die in an outnumber mission, than waste time and energon on Arena battles.

Too right, the arena is for those that can't cope with a real battlefield!

Well it looks like it's going to be a quiet week as most of the higher level cons won't be hunting down my guys in the arena, but their in there now so we'll see

Your loss. We have plenty of others to beat up in missions, without you around the beatings will just go quicker.

Burn wrote:Your loss. We have plenty of others to beat up in missions, without you around the beatings will just go quicker.

Its ok.. Burn will put his bots in... trust me if I can take them down you can take them down Zordon. Think of it as free XP.

_Anshin_ wrote:
Lvl_____Bots____Cons____Total____B2C_____C2B
0_______734_____478_____1212____60.56%__39.44%
1_______433_____372_____805_____53.79%__46.21%
2_______279_____246_____525_____53.14%__46.86%
3_______142_____236_____378_____37.57%__62.43%
4_______67______87______154_____43.51%__56.49%
5_______30______45______75______40.00%__60.00%
6_______35______16______51______68.63%__31.37%
7_______13______6_______19______68.42%__31.58%
8_______2_______5_______7_______28.57%__71.43%

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going by the summary page with only having 16 level 6s out there and most of the cons saying they are not going to play in the arena im just going back to missions

can a mod please close the thread

You know, we COULD lock the thread, but you know that's going to be pointless. The three of us will just keep spamming it anyway.