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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby High Command » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:18 am

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Some questions, which don't really need a response here but are worth asking yourselves and be as honest as you can about.


If all lives matter why does it offend some people when others say black lives matter?

Are black lives not lives too?

If all lives matter do you support universal healthcare?

If all lives matter do you oppose the death penalty?

Are there any contradictions here that need extra clarification or does all lives matter cover everyone?

Has the police responce to protests against police brutality calmed or enflamed tensions?

Has the president's responce calmed or enflamed tensoons?

What should the penalty be for murder?

What should the penalty be for using a forged $20 bill?

What should the penalty be for cops who murder?

Should the law apply the same to cops as it does citizens or differently?

Should the law apply the same to black people and white people?

Does it always?

Do black and white people receive the same sentences for the same crimes in the courts?

Were armed protesters against lockdown treated the same as unarmed protesters against police brutality?

Besides being armed what else was different about those protests?

What changes were achieved by previous peaceful protests?

What changes were achieved by previous non-peaceful protests?

Why did the cop who killed George Floyd not get arrested before there were protests?

Why did he get arrested after there were protests?

Was the American Revolution achieved by peaceful protest alone?

What brought slavery to an end in the United States?

Who got compensation when slavery ended, the slaves or slave owners?

Is property more important than lives?

Why are black people asking for equality not revenge?

Why don't they think they have equality now?

Is equality a bad thing?

Was the United States for or against fascism in world war 2?

Was fascism defeated peacefully or with violence in world war 2?

If you were a German in world war 2 what would you have done?

Are you for or against fascism now?

Has the KKK ever been recognised as a terrorist organisation?

Should they be?

How many people have the KKK killed?

How many people have antifa killed?

How many people have the police killed?

Who have you spoken out against more, antifa or the KKK?

Why does one bother you more than the other?

If terrorists use threats of violence to try and intimidate people into doing what they want, how does this differ from police methods?

If terrorists use threats of violence to try and intimidate people into doing what they want, how does this differ from Donald Trump's rhetoric?

How does the Chinese government refer to the Hong Kong protesters?

What percentage of mass shooters are white?

How many of them are called terrorists?

How many of them are called mentally ill?

Why did the woman in Central Park think she could threaten someone by saying that she'd call the cops, when she was in the wrong and on film?

Why did she change her tone when she made the call and point out that a black man was attacking her?

What did she think was going to be the likely outcome when the cops arrived?

Why did she think this?

Why do you know what she was thinking too?

Do you understand that thinking this shouldn't be normal?

Do you feel uncomfortable thinking about any of these questions?

Would your answers be any different if you had a different skin colour?

Would your answers be the same if you were reading them out loud to a room of people of the same skin colour as you?

Would they be the same if you were reading them out loud to a room of people of a different skin colour to you?

If they would be any different, why?

What do you think my skin colour is?

Would that matter?

Do you feel attacked by any of these questions?

If so, why?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby starfish » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:21 am

^^^^^^ Great post. Bravo.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Evil Eye » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:24 am

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Black Hat wrote:Yes, because the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is incredibly democratic, right? It must be, it says so in the name!


Sometimes an orange is just an orange, though.

Yeah, if you watch enough Fox News and angry YouTube videos and follow the wrong people on Facebook, then the easily-fooled might well come away thinking that an orange isn’t actually an orange at all. Especially when they want to believe it to be not so.

But as long as it’s in someone’s best interest to turn the orange into a boogeyman, to steer attention away from their own misdeeds, then people will continue to smear oranges.

When in actual fact, oranges are tasty, and a good source of vitamin C.

Antifa have been around for a while before this, and I hated them then.
Project Veritas actually managed to infiltrate Antifa and get footage from their inner workings.


Not nice people.

But please, continue to lecture us on how a terrorist group of violent socialist revolutionaries are somehow decent people worth defending and how anything suggesting the contrary is "fake news". Gotta keep that social credit score up!
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:27 am

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starfish wrote:And Antifa is not some sort of militant organisation, it’s a philosophy. It’s not an army, it’s a way of thinking. Antifa literally means anti-fascist. Those brave Americans who fought in WW2 were anti-fascists. I’m an anti-fascist myself. If you claim to be anti-anti-fascist then what does that make you...?


Wow.
You are batsh!t insane to seriously believe that.
Maybe when you are on the receiving end on Antifa's FACSHISM may you change your mind.

Hey, I'll form a group called "the puppy lovers" and we will catapult live puppies at the establishment's walls to show the man. All for our love of puppies!

Seriously, dude, please come back in the real world before actual violence shove a melon sized red pill elbow deep down your throat.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Che » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:36 am

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Thank you, Ryan Yzquierdo, I really appreciate what you did here.

After all that has been happening, not just now, but for years, if you, reader, still don't understand why black lives matter, why kneeling during the national anthem, why the stock market is broken, why the American society is so divided... I don't know what more to say to you. I am so sorry.

Instead of that, I just want to say thank you for you, Ryan. I don't often write here, I often only read the messages, but your post made me break my silent. :BOWDOWN: :APPLAUSE:

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Optimutt » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:42 am

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UnderYourCloset wrote:Giving money to some random organization and saying "racism bad" isn't gonna do jack ****. All it does is stir up more emotional bull **** by random people who won't even care in a week.

This **** happens constantly. Some event happens, people protest (riot), and then in two weeks nobody cares anymore.


You are 100% right about this.

So imagine if you were the person suffering the "emotional bull ****" ALL THE TIME. I know many black individuals, and have the privelege of calling them friends. Each one has spoken about how they have been on the receiving end of racism. Each one has suffered emotional damage because of the color of their skin. This is a constant emotional pressure that has been suffered by countless individuals EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THEIR LIVES. Sure, being white, this might be a passing thing for me, but you know what? Good for that. The shorter this rubbish lasts, the better for everyone. Best of all, we will have an entire group of individuals who suddenly will lose that pressure. Imagine a migraine that never relents, a constant pressure preventing anything from being enjoyed fully. Imagine being unable to step outside your home for fear that you will be persecuted or mistrusted because MOST OF SOCIETY has been systematically taught that you do not matter.

Now think about the results of riots in the past: women have gotten the vote. LGBTQ individuals have gotten the right to marry adults they want. The settlers unified against British taxation - and thus were born the USA. Sometimes the only way for people to listen is by getting punched in the face. And in any fight, the larger the army, the more powerful they are and the more potential they have to win. Enough is enough. I have chosen my side.

So stop punching people in the face, especially when they people you are punching are those that have only known subjugation, especially when they have to be taught specific rules to keep them less suspicious against the systemic racism that limits and hinders their opportunities. How is it ok that white nationalists can machine guns in the streets, but unarmed black individuals are killed in their own homes or falsely accused for crimes that they didn't commit? This is the bull **** that you are talking about. White people protest about not having the guns they have so that they can kill. Black people protest SO THAT THEY ARE NOT KILLED. Do you see the difference here?

The fact is: PEOPLE CARE. Those who immediately suffer it absolutely do. As for history... remind me again: does the USA not still celebrate the results of a little tea party that went awry in Boston 250 years ago? I think we do it in July...? Oh yeah. INDEPENDENCE DAY.

YOU might not care, but you are a vocal minority. Now shut up and let us change the future. I'm sick of you loudmouthed bigots and I'm sick of quietly sitting aside as this injustice is perpetuated. Enough is enough. I'm telling all my black friends that I care about them and that I am on their side. I have a life that matters to me. So it's time to tell these loved ones directly that Their Lives also matter to me.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby ShadowKatt » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:53 am

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starfish wrote:And Antifa is not some sort of militant organisation, it’s a philosophy. It’s not an army, it’s a way of thinking. Antifa literally means anti-fascist. Those brave Americans who fought in WW2 were anti-fascists. I’m an anti-fascist myself. If you claim to be anti-anti-fascist then what does that make you...?


I'd like to answer your question with a question. Antifa is a little of both. You're right, it's a philosphy. It's an idea that floats around, a 'third option' as it were, just in case a fascist comes into power. But it is also an organization. They have a uniform. They're not all identical but they do have one. They have a banner. They have communication networks and supply lines. That's everything you need for a militant organization. All of this is just foundation for me to say this: I'm anti-fascist. I would have fought the nazies, I would have fought the USSR, if war were declared tomorrow I'd take up arms against China(I don't think they'd take me but I'd report all the same). But I will not side with Antifa. So I'll ask you, if I'm not Antifa, and I am anti-fascist, what does that make me? I would say that makes me just a typical person that wants to be free and unfettered, but I suspect we're going to have different definitions.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dorkimus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:59 am

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starfish wrote:And Antifa is not some sort of militant organisation, it’s a philosophy. It’s not an army, it’s a way of thinking. Antifa literally means anti-fascist. Those brave Americans who fought in WW2 were anti-fascists. I’m an anti-fascist myself. If you claim to be anti-anti-fascist then what does that make you...?


Wow.
You are batsh!t insane to seriously believe that.
Maybe when you are on the receiving end on Antifa's FACSHISM may you change your mind.

Hey, I'll form a group called "the puppy lovers" and we will catapult live puppies at the establishment's walls to show the man. All for our love of puppies!

Seriously, dude, please come back in the real world before actual violence shove a melon sized red pill elbow deep down your throat.


Some thing about this Veritas group of yours:
The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning group. In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit".


So I would not believe everything they might publish. If this is your best proof, then more the pity. But hey. Obviously they can't be wrong for they are the right wing folk.

Like the Antifa group (as loose as it actually is) might not be just bunch of happy boy scouts and some might even catapult puppies, but your rant is rather rich since it's coming from a person who uses right wing oh-not-so-objective "news" group as a source material. Have you ever thought that their news might be just a bit politically colored.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby G1OptimusPAX » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:00 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
firefox91 wrote:To those that respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter", you're missing the message.


Oh no we don't.
The base of the message sure have good intentions. But the movement have been hijacked from a long time by unscrupulous people and their quest for power.
Because for Black Lives Matters, not all black lives matter at all.

Where is BLM for promoting family values and responsibilities for black fathers?
Where is BLM for the constant gang violence that happen between blacks in the 'hood?
Where is BLM for all those blacks that lost their jobs, their livelihood, and even their homes due to the riots, looting, and burnings?
Where was BLM for the retired St. Louis police Capt. David Dorn when he was responding to an alarm at a friend's pawn shop when he was shot in the head to death?

Answering any of these question expose the truth about how BLM is a scam, made to shame white people for the color of their skin and for their ancestor's actions. BLM also push down any and all black people back into the crab basket who dare to think for themselves. Because when black people stop thinking themselves as constant victims and take responsibility for their lives, then BLM lose power and they can't allow that.


And the fact that you ask those questions means there is something missing that you don't know... so one could say that you are ignorant to this subject... but the real question is, do you truly want the answer or are you just being antagonistic ? Because history answers everything you just asked and then look up your family before your grandparents (you don't have to go that far back) because there is also a reason you are able to speak as comfortable as you do (behind the keyboard)
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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I'm logging out and going back to TFW.
I don't go on toy news sites for this bullshit.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Phasewing » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:15 pm

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Optimutt wrote:So stop punching people in the face, especially when they people you are punching are those that have only known subjugation, especially when they have to be taught specific rules to keep them less suspicious against the systemic racism that limits and hinders their opportunities. How is it ok that white nationalists can machine guns in the streets, but unarmed black individuals are killed in their own homes or falsely accused for crimes that they didn't commit? This is the bull **** that you are talking about. White people protest about not having the guns they have so that they can kill. Black people protest SO THAT THEY ARE NOT KILLED. Do you see the difference here?

Hol' up.

Major stark difference between fighting actual people for something and terrorizing innocent local people with violence and property destruction, bruh.



This is as staggeringly dumb as me hypothetically thinking that all black people are responsible for the death of my drug-addicted sister years ago because one of them slipped fentanyl into a bundle of weed to intentionally kill her-- not overdose, as the coroner pronounced.

No, I fully believe not all of them are responsible. Just the singular murder-intentional twat who got away with it, decided deadly drugs were a better method to kill a dealer-hopper than a gun or physical violence.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Evil Eye » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:15 pm

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Dorkimus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
starfish wrote:And Antifa is not some sort of militant organisation, it’s a philosophy. It’s not an army, it’s a way of thinking. Antifa literally means anti-fascist. Those brave Americans who fought in WW2 were anti-fascists. I’m an anti-fascist myself. If you claim to be anti-anti-fascist then what does that make you...?


Wow.
You are batsh!t insane to seriously believe that.
Maybe when you are on the receiving end on Antifa's FACSHISM may you change your mind.

Hey, I'll form a group called "the puppy lovers" and we will catapult live puppies at the establishment's walls to show the man. All for our love of puppies!

Seriously, dude, please come back in the real world before actual violence shove a melon sized red pill elbow deep down your throat.


Some thing about this Veritas group of yours:
The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning group. In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit".


So I would not believe everything they might publish. If this is your best proof, then more the pity. But hey. Obviously they can't be wrong for they are the right wing folk.

Like the Antifa group (as loose as it actually is) might not be just bunch of happy boy scouts and some might even catapult puppies, but your rant is rather rich since it's coming from a person who uses right wing oh-not-so-objective "news" group as a source material. Have you ever thought that their news might be just a bit politically colored.

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And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:19 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:No. Please don't.
Black Lives Matter is a freaking CULT that wallow itself into perpetual victim status.

WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY POLICE ALL THE TIME AND MEDIA JUST DONT CARE.

Stop it with the white guilt. Stop it with separating everyone in little boxes based on their race. Let black people, white people, ALL people take responsibility for their own action and STOP blaming other groups for your own failures.

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"Black lives matter".

HA!

Tell that to all the black business owners who got looted and had their livelihood destroyed.
Tell that to the old retired policeman who got KILLED defending a pawnshop from looter.
Tell that to a black guy who DARE wear a MAGA hat.
Tell that to all those black people where their low income housing was BURNED TO THE GROUND by the mob.
Tell that to all those black families where they lost someone due to gang violence.

"Black lives matter" don't give a rat's ass about ACTUAL black lives. All that matter for them is MONEY AND POWER, like all those "virtuous" organisations.
And this piss me off.


Hard to take this racist rabble seriously when all I can see are your creepy young girl anime figurines. Lmao.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Evil Eye » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:20 pm

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High Command wrote:Some questions, which don't really need a response here but are worth asking yourselves and be as honest as you can about.


If all lives matter why does it offend some people when others say black lives matter?

Are black lives not lives too?

They are indeed, but they are worth no more or less than any other life. I'm an egalitarian, I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, positive or negative.

If all lives matter do you support universal healthcare?

No, because it generally doesn't work. Coming from the country that spawned the barely-functional monstrosity called the NHS I know of what I speak.
If all lives matter do you oppose the death penalty?

No, because justice must be upheld and criminals must be punished.

Are there any contradictions here that need extra clarification or does all lives matter cover everyone?

It covers everyone. Every man and woman is a human being with free will and free agency- and every man and woman must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

Has the police responce to protests against police brutality calmed or enflamed tensions?

The mob doesn't care either way, they just want to burn things.

Has the president's responce calmed or enflamed tensoons?

It should have calmed things given that he came out in support of George, but of course, the mob weren't interested.

What should the penalty be for murder?

Death.
What should the penalty be for using a forged $20 bill?

A more pertinent question would be "What should the penalty be for armed robbery and threatening a pregnant woman with a gun?".
What should the penalty be for cops who murder?

Kinda irrelevant here given that what we're talking about was really manslaughter, not murder.

Should the law apply the same to cops as it does citizens or differently?

It has to apply differently simply because of the nature of their duty.

Should the law apply the same to black people and white people?

Of course.

Does it always?

Perhaps not always, but more than some would have us believe.

Do black and white people receive the same sentences for the same crimes in the courts?

Seeing as the former are usually repeat offenders and as a demographic are committing more of those crimes, this is a loaded question.

Were armed protesters against lockdown treated the same as unarmed protesters against police brutality?

No, the media accused peaceful protestors who exercised their right to bear arms of what the unarmed but violent rioters are actually doing.
Besides being armed what else was different about those protests?

The anti-lockdown protestors weren't burning down an entire city.

What changes were achieved by previous peaceful protests?

I'll tell you when BLM has an actually peaceful protest.

What changes were achieved by previous non-peaceful protests?

Increased racial divides and mass carnage.
Why did the cop who killed George Floyd not get arrested before there were protests?

Incompetence.
Why did he get arrested after there were protests?

To appease the mob.
Was the American Revolution achieved by peaceful protest alone?

No, the American Revolution was over a century ago. And in any event, an armed revolution would be a very bad thing.
What brought slavery to an end in the United States?

One of the most awful, tragic wars in American history, that ended when the Democrat Confederates were defeated by the Republican Unionists.
Who got compensation when slavery ended, the slaves or slave owners?

Irrelevant as slavery has been illegal in the US since then.

Is property more important than lives?

Property of innocent people is more important than the lives of those who would seek to destroy it for no reason.
Why are black people asking for equality not revenge?

It seems they aren't.

Why don't they think they have equality now?

Because their communities have been rotted from the inside by a degraded culture that encourages criminal behaviour, resulting in poor perceptions of these communities as dangerous.

Is equality a bad thing?

That depends very much on what you are comparing as equal. No two men are exactly equal, such is the nature of humans.
Was the United States for or against fascism in world war 2?

The United States was against those that would have done her harm in WW2, who happened to be fascist.They were also deeply against socialism and communism, both in WW2 and afterwards.
Was fascism defeated peacefully or with violence in world war 2?

"Fascism" wasn't defeated. Fascist nations were. The fight was never against the ideology, it was against the nations that had started the war in the first place.
If you were a German in world war 2 what would you have done?

I would have fought for my people, as anyone in any other country in any conflict would.
Are you for or against fascism now?

I am as against it as I am socialism.
Has the KKK ever been recognised as a terrorist organisation?

The KKK is defunct and outlawed.
Should they be?

See above.
How many people have the KKK killed?

Quite a few.
How many people have antifa killed?

Quite a few, though harder to count as the media has acted protectively towards them.

How many people have the police killed?
Lawfully and justifiably or in total?

Who have you spoken out against more, antifa or the KKK?

Antifa.
Why does one bother you more than the other?

Because the other is widely mocked whilst one is taken seriously.
If terrorists use threats of violence to try and intimidate people into doing what they want, how does this differ from police methods?

Because the police are trying to preserve law and order, not undermine it.
If terrorists use threats of violence to try and intimidate people into doing what they want, how does this differ from Donald Trump's rhetoric?

Because Donald Trump, once again, is trying to maintain law and order against an unruly mob.
How does the Chinese government refer to the Hong Kong protesters?

Dissidents, usually. The difference being the Hong Kong protesters are entirely peaceful and genuinely oppressed *COUGH Tiananmen *COUGH*
What percentage of mass shooters are white?

Does that matter? You aren't racist, are you?
How many of them are called terrorists?

Depends on who you are asking.
How many of them are called mentally ill?

Usually the mentally ill ones.
Why did the woman in Central Park think she could threaten someone by saying that she'd call the cops, when she was in the wrong and on film?

Why did she change her tone when she made the call and point out that a black man was attacking her?

What did she think was going to be the likely outcome when the cops arrived?

Why did she think this?

Why do you know what she was thinking too?

Who?
Do you understand that thinking this shouldn't be normal?

It is normal because people are not perfect. Utopian ideals inevitably fall flat.
Do you feel uncomfortable thinking about any of these questions?

No.
Would your answers be any different if you had a different skin colour?

No.
Would your answers be the same if you were reading them out loud to a room of people of the same skin colour as you?

Yes.
Would they be the same if you were reading them out loud to a room of people of a different skin colour to you?

Yes.
If they would be any different, why?

They wouldn't.
What do you think my skin colour is?

Would that matter?

I don't care either way.
Do you feel attacked by any of these questions?

If so, why?

No, but I do think you are asking loaded questions with the intent of a "gotcha" moment.

Let me ask you some questions.

You are a policeman. You have to work in a community of a particular demographic that has higher than average crime rates as a result of the culture that has been fostered within that community (including among other members of the community who are not part of that demographic I might add). Violence is commonplace. Authority is not respected. You may or may not be part of the majority demographic, but because you uphold the law, you are disliked. A man who has committed violent crimes before is in the process of breaking the law. You are meant to apprehend him, and he begins to flee. How would you react?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Evil Eye » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:22 pm

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Black Lives Matter is a freaking CULT that wallow itself into perpetual victim status.

WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY POLICE ALL THE TIME AND MEDIA JUST DONT CARE.

Stop it with the white guilt. Stop it with separating everyone in little boxes based on their race. Let black people, white people, ALL people take responsibility for their own action and STOP blaming other groups for your own failures.

STOP SPITTING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR'S DREAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

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"Black lives matter".

HA!

Tell that to all the black business owners who got looted and had their livelihood destroyed.
Tell that to the old retired policeman who got KILLED defending a pawnshop from looter.
Tell that to a black guy who DARE wear a MAGA hat.
Tell that to all those black people where their low income housing was BURNED TO THE GROUND by the mob.
Tell that to all those black families where they lost someone due to gang violence.

"Black lives matter" don't give a rat's ass about ACTUAL black lives. All that matter for them is MONEY AND POWER, like all those "virtuous" organisations.
And this piss me off.


Hard to take this racist rabble seriously when all I can see are your creepy young girl anime figurines. Lmao.
Ever hear of Bidoofs law? It's very clear to everyone here what kinda guy you are.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dorkimus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:27 pm

Black Hat wrote:The universities, media and establishment in general have been heavily corrupted by far-left influence. This is nothing new, this is just the result of social engineering that's been happening by Communist sympathizers (amongst others) since the Cold War. Anything that goes against the narrative is slandered as "far right".

And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.


The pot calling the kettle black. Also could you kindly not twist my words. I did say that Project Veritas is a politically coloured group, not saying anything about people who don't want to get maimed or killed.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Black Hat wrote:The universities, media and establishment in general have been heavily corrupted by far-left influence. This is nothing new, this is just the result of social engineering that's been happening by Communist sympathizers (amongst others) since the Cold War. Anything that goes against the narrative is slandered as "far right".

And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.


The pot calling the kettle black.
Hardly. I'm moderate right, not far left.
Also could you kindly not twist my words. I did say that Project Veritas is a politically coloured group, not saying anything about people who don't want to get maimed or killed.

So either Veritas' (pretty concrete) evidence that Antifa are filled with violent pricks is false (unlikely) or you are defending them in spite of them being filled with violent pricks.

So do you defend Antifa or not?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Holy crap, dude. Did you type all that or copy and paste from somewhere? Because if it's the former, kudos. Now you said they don't need answers, but some of those are really good questions so...I'm gonna try. I'm not going to quote it all, I hate formating. But I'll answer them all, in order, so it can be cross referenced.

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The people that are saying All Lives Matter, in my experience, also believe that black lives matter too. It's never been as simple as just All Lives Matter - black people suck it up. What I believe has happened and is going on is that the BLM movement started with good intentions of real change. I don't think it lasted long. The more people came to it the more the overall tone of the movement started to shift. It became angrier, less tolerant, and more callous. Now if you diverge in the slightest way from BLMs rhetoric, you are INSTANTLY branded a racist(or if you're black, a race traitor). All lives matter sprung up as a response to that, with all the people that didn't agree with BLMs methods or arguements falling under that banner instead.

Black lives are lives, yes. I think it's matter of what the purported goals of the movement. When BLM comes out and demands things like a reform of the police, most people cheer with them. The police DO need reform. When BLM comes out and says the police should be under the supervision of a group picked by them, some people say "Wait, hold on a minute", and then they're called racists and dismissed. The way BLM is operating now leaves no room for discussion, so anyone not with them either tries to stay out of the entire ordeal, or end up supporting all lives matter and trying to find a different path to equality.

This is a personal question that's going to swing wildly from person to person. And for me, I'm a US citizen my girlfriend is canadian. I have been through both systems. Both have their ups and downs. It's impossible to say one is just simply better than the other on all points. In general though, I do not support free healthcare for all. That's an entire discussion in and of itself, but our healthcare is some of the best in the world. Even without it being free, most everyone will never be refused care if they needed it. If you're working, it's generally covered by your employer. if you're not, it's generally covered by the state. There are, of course, plenty of examples in exception to this, but just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it's not good. We should keep improving it, not tear it down and try something entirely new. Next question.

God, that's a tough one. I don't like it, but I do support it for one reason. There are people in the world for which there is no such thing as too far. You fine them, they don't care. You arrest them, they don't care. They do their time and get out. You arrest them for life, and they target the people in prisons instead. There are people who, either because of mental illness or simply choice, either cannot or will not be rehabilitated. It's not a race issue, or a class issue, it's an individual one. If this person is just a thief, the death penalty is WILDLY inappropriate, obviously. But if you have a stone cold murderer, an actual psychopath who not only doesn't care about the ramifications but enjoys it, we need to have the option on the table, because what are the other options? We could drug them out of their mind, but is that really any better? We could lock them up in solitary for the rest of their natural lives, which would argueably be worse than just ending it. The minute we take it off the table and say "We will only go this far, never further", we tell people that they needn't worry about ever facing that consequence. If they can deal with the rest of the consequences then it's really just pay to play crime. Kill a person, do 20 years, come out and do it again. Rinse and repeat.

Any contradictions? I don't think so. All lives should be just that: All lives. Not only does Black Lives matter kinda run contrary to All Lives, but I think any other contradictions would too. Not sure what else to say about this. Moving on.

Has the police response inflamed tensions? That's a joke, right? Oh hell yes it has. However, we REALLY need to bed this one in front of the mirror because it has gone both ways. We have a history of riots in this country in response to outrage. It starts the same way every time and ends the same way every time, so when protesters, angry protestors, take to the streets what is any mayor or governor going to do given precident. People show up in numbers, police show up too. And then it takes just a single spark and it's off. You have to ask yourself this though of what would happen if the police were not there. Would it remain peaceful? It might. But if someone breaks a window and it kicks off again, now there'a riot and no one to protect the city. The police have failed in their jobs. Again. Do you see how this is a no-win senario? If the police show up and something happens, it's there fault. If the police don't and something happens, it's their fault. Right now we're seeing a lot of the riots kicking off because of curfews. The curfews are announced, the police are ordered to enforce them, and riots start. If the police enforce the curfews, it's their fault. And if they don't, then they're not doing their jobs and it's their fault. What I'm saying is that of course the police are inflaming tensions but there's no way for them not to no matter what actions they take, and more often than not the trouble starts when one rioter in the crowd of protestors decided to fight.

The president. Look, right now I don't think it matters. If you like the president, then his actions have shown we have strong leadership, at the federal level at least. If you hate the president, then he's a fascist dictator whose actively building concentration camps. The question barely needs an answer because it's not fair. When this happened, the president spoke out and he was automaticly for letting it happen in the first place. When he said that the FBI was going to be looking into some of these police departments he was told it wasn't good enough. And that's the general gist of things. There is nothing he could do that would ever be enough for a lot of people that hate him. So if he does nothing they're inflamed. If he does anything they're inflamed. So it's not really a fair question because he'll never, ever be judged for his actions. He's already been judged and sentenced.

Not sure what relevance this has, but sure, why not. Sad thing is, I don't have an answer. On the one hand, an Eye for an Eye leaves the world blind(And I only have one, so yeah, not a fan). On the other though, if someone steals we fine them for the property. If someone vandalizes we fine them for the damage. If someone assaults someone else we lock them away so they can't hurt anyone else. If someone murders...what -is- the appropriate punishment? We can lock them up, but can we ever let them out again? If we kill them and the situation was more nuanced we can't let them go now. It's far too complex a problem to be answered in a paragraph. Better men than I have tried.

We already have laws for that. The penalty for forgery is fines and imprisonment, usually followed by probation and restitution. But lets not muddy the waters here. What happened wasn't justice. No one had their day in court, no one made their case, no one was sentenced. What happened that day was murder. Third degree, second degree, up for debate, but that was murder not justice. So this question is fishing. I'm not taking the bait.

Cops that murder. I'll refer to my previous answer on murder, but with one caveat. We give police the ability to kill because they need to have every option available to them. If someone is a danger to the public and they can't be talked down, they can't be handled with nonlethals(Say you have mace but they're wearing a face shield), then for the good of the people around them the option has to be open. If we were to take that option away from them, I would point you to Britain as an example. On many occasions over the last few years they've been unable to deal with situations that escalated beyond the non-lethal measures they carried, if any, which forced them to wait on other police to arrive or citizens to intervene. Police who can't do their jobs aren't police, they're cosplayers. Unfortunately when they are forced to take those measures we immediately attack them for it. This is where the thin blue line came from. Police know they'll be blamed for anything they do by someone, anyone, so they all have each others backs. Sometimes this means that a justified killing is just that, justified. Sometimes a murder comes out justified. It also means some justified killings have been ruled as murders. And it means some murderers get the the chances to do what they do best. I think we're looking at the latter in this case, but if we're going to treat every single other case like this one, then we may as well not have the police at all. Some places are already rolling that around.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dorkimus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:57 pm

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Dorkimus wrote:
Black Hat wrote:The universities, media and establishment in general have been heavily corrupted by far-left influence. This is nothing new, this is just the result of social engineering that's been happening by Communist sympathizers (amongst others) since the Cold War. Anything that goes against the narrative is slandered as "far right".

And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.


The pot calling the kettle black.
Hardly. I'm moderate right, not far left.
Also could you kindly not twist my words. I did say that Project Veritas is a politically coloured group, not saying anything about people who don't want to get maimed or killed.

So either Veritas' (pretty concrete) evidence that Antifa are filled with violent pricks is false (unlikely) or you are defending them in spite of them being filled with violent pricks.

So do you defend Antifa or not?


First: I find it rather hard to believe any "concrete" evidence coming from a group like Project Veritas no matter how fancy name they have.

Secondly: It seems to be rather Hard to understand that Antifa is not some close knitted group with similar individuals or clear leaders etc. Some might be violent pricks and others might not. I'm against the fact that some people try to make this whole BLM to be somekind of a far left political thing organized by the so called terrorist group. For that way people can easily forged any real reasons behind the whole thing and invalidating the whole cause. Not to mention that are there any actual facts that would proof, that this and this party is clearly causing all the looting and all the violence. Like, coming from some a bit more neutral source.

Not that it actually is any of your business, but I'm not part of any political or religious group. I don't like fascists or any bullies for that matter. I would not burn or loot properties not would I maim anyone, but I still try to understand the reason for this. And funny enough, it seems like the most hostile or angry comments here are coming from the right. Like what. If my answer did not please you, am I quartered or something.

Besides, things are not usually just Black or White, no pun intented.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Ever hear of Bidoofs law? It's very clear to everyone here what kinda guy you are.


So you call my denouncing of abuses against people, especially the ones against the people that are supposed to be "defended" by you damn savages as "racist rabble"?

It's "racist" of me to denounce the fact that the guy below lost EVERYTHING to the mob while BLM stay silent?




And your only argument to say so is that I "love creepy anime figures".

Wow.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby ShadowKatt » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:29 pm

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The law should and does apply to police but I will refer to you my previous answer in terms of the thin blue line. The fact is that, in general, most people will only come across the police when they've done something wrong. They ran a stop sign, didn't signal, or hey, passed a counterfit $20 they didn't even know was fake. I was a cashier once, it happens more than you think. The point is that most people see the police when they're in trouble and that already puts the people at odds with them. And they will do whatever it takes to get out of trouble, and barring that whatever they can do to recover their lost time and money afterwards. The result is that the police know that the only people that have their back is each other. Throw in an overzealous, adversarial legal system that cares more about convictions than actual justice and redress and yeahthe police get away with a lot that they shouldn't have. They do so knowing that if they gave into the accusations of the public every time, if they let nothing slide, then there wouldn't be police left. Not only would they all be fired, but no one would want the job either. it's not a good situation, and it s bad on both sides. The police need to have some latitude and trust to do their job, no one trust them. The public blames them for all the evils in the world when they do do their jobs, right or wrong. There's no incentives. And when a bad cop is found, protestors and rioters have a habit of throwing every single officer under the same bus, so why wouldn't they band together? I may not have a soltuion for this, but I can say this: What we have going on right now ain't it.

The laws do apply equally to both black and white people. We are all equal under the law. What seems to be forgotten is that those laws are enforced by imperfect people, and those imperfect people are then judged by angry people. I'm not going to cite any statistics or read any anecdotes, I'm just going to say this: The police arrest thousands of people a year. They kill hundreds. Most of those are justified in some way. They were caught in the act and arrested. They fought back and were resisted. They fired on the police and were killed. The ones we focus on are the ones that are wrong and we ignore everything that went right because it's inconvenient. This isn't a matter of race, it's a matter of bias, agendas, and power.

This question is just an addendum to the above, and the answer will be too. The answer is yes, in general. Again, you never, ever hear about the cases where justice was ever met out properly, only when the law fails. For perspective, lets say that every one in a million (1/1000000) interactions with the police turns into something like Floyd in Minneapolis. If the police interacted with every single person in the US, that would be 325 unjustified murders. Out of 325000000. That doesn't make them right but it does mean we need to keep our perspective and not lose focus while we deal with the problem at hand.

They don't! Bet you weren't expecting to hear that, were ya? As it turns out, blacks tend to get harsher and more frequent sentnences than white, in general. The same is also true in men vs women. men tend to get harsher and longer sentences than women. But this isn't a racial issue, not at its core. It has racial elements, but the problem is the system itself, and the people that make up that system. We have laws. The laws work. The people that enforce those laws, not so much. We do need reform, but the BLM movement isn't going to get us there. The rioting isn't going get us there. It's going to have to start at the community level and work its way up. That's how it went wrong and that's the only way to fix it.

Hoo boy, this one. The biggest part missing from this whole tangle is context. When protesters showed up during the lockdowns, and they were armed, they were still being lawful. Like it or not, they had the rights to carry their weapons. Most of them were checked by police to enforce compliance with local standards and practices, and they remained within the confines of the law, if only just. The protesters have engaged in civil disobedience, and that's something that people seem to forget. Protestng, civil disobedience, and rioting are three different things. protesting is your right. No one can lawfully stop you from doing it. However, when and where can be, as we've seen time and again. When the city puts up a curfew and you ignore it, that is civil disobedience. That is to say, "I understand your law, I disagree with your law, and am willing to accept the consequences to fight it". It's a form of peacful protest to make those enforcing the law look bad. If you've been watching, it's working too. Then there's rioting...I don't need to explain this one, do I? The point is the protestors are in disobendience for their cause. That forces the polices hand. They either do their job, and get judged by the public, or they do nothing and face other penalties. It's a lose-lose situation and everyone knows it.

Actually not a lot. The lockdown protestors were protesting the states overreach of power. The police protestors are protesting the police's overreach of power. The differences come down to idealogy, and there's no mending that. The lockdown protestors said the state shouldn't be allowed to tell me what to do. We are all free adults, we need neither parents nor guardians. Let us be responsible for ourselves. The police protestors have said the police shouldn't be allowed to use this level of force against anyone. We are all, for the most part, law abiding citizens and the police need to work with us, not against us. There's more overlap than people seem to realise. They don't because they're all convinced the other side is just plain evil, end of story.

Oh lots! But I'll take an easy one because my fingers are tired. King Jr. was a master of this. His sit-in protests were genius. Civil disobedience at its best. The building said no blacks, so they just went in and sat down. Now the police had two options: Either do nothing, acknowledge that law was stupid and pointless, or take action when then looks like the police abusing the public at large JUST for being black. They did it in diners, they did it on buses, they did it in theatres, and it always ended the same way. If you're going to protest you have to be ready to take your licks. But it works. Public opinion was swayed, political opinions waivered, and eventually the civil rights act was drafted and signed. It does work. However, the minute that you give the police an excuse it falls apart. If your peaceful protest turns violent you will lose people fast, people that said "I was on their side until they started throwing rocks. Now I don't care, the police are doing what they have to". Which is where we are now.

Not as many, but there have been a few and I suppose it depends on how big you want to get. It's called a war but I believe World War II was the biggest violent protest the world has ever seen. The world at large turned against the nazi's and their ideology. Countries that weren't even directly threatened by them joined the fight in some capacity and we taught the nazi's a lesson they remember vividly to this day. Some of them still remain, always will, and they still hold the same views, but they will never, ever act on those again. Never at any scale at least.

I think this was the thin blue line in action. Since all this happened people have been scouring records and this cop was no saint. He has a looooooooooooooooooooong list of problems. But again, I ask you to see things from the other side. Any police officer could have been him. They could do everything right and something goes wrong, then they could be facing murder changes as well. The thin blue lines simly says "We have each others back because no one else will", and so they did. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it understandable. The police are defensive and reactionary because the whole system is adversarial, and it's not going to change until something brings the officers and community back together. THey're going to protect each other until they don't feel the need to fear being attacked by anyone for something that might have been accidental.

Why did he get arrested? How could he not have been? The thin blue line protects a lot of things but it can't save everyone. There is nothing any of his fellow officers could do if they wanted to(And by the sounds of things no one really did want to) protect him. So not only were the protestors and rioted demanding his arrest, but finally the police themselves had the perfect opportunity to grab this guy who had been a constant problem and lock him up. That doesn't make the situation right, but sometimes people are just not bold enough to do the right thing the first time around. They're people, just like you and me.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

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Black Hat wrote:
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Black Hat wrote:The universities, media and establishment in general have been heavily corrupted by far-left influence. This is nothing new, this is just the result of social engineering that's been happening by Communist sympathizers (amongst others) since the Cold War. Anything that goes against the narrative is slandered as "far right".

And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.


The pot calling the kettle black.
Hardly. I'm moderate right, not far left.
Also could you kindly not twist my words. I did say that Project Veritas is a politically coloured group, not saying anything about people who don't want to get maimed or killed.

So either Veritas' (pretty concrete) evidence that Antifa are filled with violent pricks is false (unlikely) or you are defending them in spite of them being filled with violent pricks.

So do you defend Antifa or not?


First: I find it rather hard to believe any "concrete" evidence coming from a group like Project Veritas no matter how fancy name they have.

Secondly: It seems to be rather Hard to understand that Antifa is not some close knitted group with similar individuals or clear leaders etc. Some might be violent pricks and others might not. I'm against the fact that some people try to make this whole BLM to be somekind of a far left political thing organized by the so called terrorist group. For that way people can easily forged any real reasons behind the whole thing and invalidating the whole cause. Not to mention that are there any actual facts that would proof, that this and this party is clearly causing all the looting and all the violence. Like, coming from some a bit more neutral source.

Not that it actually is any of your business, but I'm not part of any political or religious group. I don't like fascists or any bullies for that matter. I would not burn or loot properties not would I maim anyone, but I still try to understand the reason for this. And funny enough, it seems like the most hostile or angry comments here are coming from the right. Like what. If my answer did not please you, am I quartered or something.

Besides, things are not usually just Black or White, no pun intented.

I'll take this decided non-answer as "yes I am defending Antifa". Good to know. >:oP
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Dorkimus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:12 pm

Black Hat wrote:
Dorkimus wrote:
Black Hat wrote:
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Black Hat wrote:The universities, media and establishment in general have been heavily corrupted by far-left influence. This is nothing new, this is just the result of social engineering that's been happening by Communist sympathizers (amongst others) since the Cold War. Anything that goes against the narrative is slandered as "far right".

And there is nothing politically coloured about not wanting to be maimed or killed by violent revolutionaries.


The pot calling the kettle black.
Hardly. I'm moderate right, not far left.
Also could you kindly not twist my words. I did say that Project Veritas is a politically coloured group, not saying anything about people who don't want to get maimed or killed.

So either Veritas' (pretty concrete) evidence that Antifa are filled with violent pricks is false (unlikely) or you are defending them in spite of them being filled with violent pricks.

So do you defend Antifa or not?


First: I find it rather hard to believe any "concrete" evidence coming from a group like Project Veritas no matter how fancy name they have.

Secondly: It seems to be rather Hard to understand that Antifa is not some close knitted group with similar individuals or clear leaders etc. Some might be violent pricks and others might not. I'm against the fact that some people try to make this whole BLM to be somekind of a far left political thing organized by the so called terrorist group. For that way people can easily forged any real reasons behind the whole thing and invalidating the whole cause. Not to mention that are there any actual facts that would proof, that this and this party is clearly causing all the looting and all the violence. Like, coming from some a bit more neutral source.

Not that it actually is any of your business, but I'm not part of any political or religious group. I don't like fascists or any bullies for that matter. I would not burn or loot properties not would I maim anyone, but I still try to understand the reason for this. And funny enough, it seems like the most hostile or angry comments here are coming from the right. Like what. If my answer did not please you, am I quartered or something.

Besides, things are not usually just Black or White, no pun intented.

I'll take this decided non-answer as "yes I am defending Antifa". Good to know. >:oP


Take it the way you please. After all, you right wing people like to lable anyone, who is not thinking as you, being the enemy. And furthermore I would suggest that you read again the part where I tell that I'm not supporting nor part of any group. I "support" Antifa as much Ryan or any other here, Who might think that this is not right. You should just quit labeling people here, since you don't know Jack. You are not some kind of a police here, who can dictate what different people are. Sorry, but you are not.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby ShadowKatt » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:23 pm

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The american revolution was won by so many things that it's debatable to say that it was really even won. There's the story that everyone knows, the 13 colonies revolting against the british empire. Red coats and blue coats and muskets and cannons. Then there was the proxy war. Half of Europe hated Britain. None of them had the capability fight Britain. So when the colonies revolted they threw their support behind them as a middle finger to the crown. Then there was the logistics of it. Britain was trying to wage a war of subjugation, not annihilation, across an ocean. In the age of sail. There came a point when the crown said "I don't care anymore. You want independance? Fine. Don't come crawling back asking for an allowance". So it had peaceful protest, it had violent protest. One thing to keep in mind though is that it was a REVOLUTION. it wasn't asking for a change in policy, or a new law be passed. They wanted the old government OUT and to install their own. If the protesters we have now are seeking the same thing then it's not a protest anymore, it's an insurrection.

That's another complicated question with an answer that changes depending on who you ask. I'm not sure anyone can answer it for sure because I don't think anyone can answer it honestly. Everyone will either add or leave out things to fit the story they want to tell. In school we're taught that it was about states rights issues, the federal government trying to impose its will on the southern plantations. There are those though that say slavery was always on the chopping block from the time the country was founded, and just as many people that say slavery didn't actually end until the civil rights act and equal pay act. The honest answer, I think, is that it was simply unpopular and unsustainable. The average person didn't have slaves. The average person probably empathized as much with the slaves as their neighbors because they were working just as hard as the slaves were just to keep themselves alive. it was a case of we're all in this together, and it's not the whites against the blacks, not the blacks against the whites, but the rich, the powerful, the well off flexing their power over the less poweful under them. Don't forget that while the south had black slaves, the north had irish slaves and thought nothing of it, irish "indentured servants" that worked in factories while the black slaves worked in fields. It had to end sometime.

The simple answer to that is no one did. Slaves recieved very little in any compensation after they were freed, and the plantation owners didn't either. The concept of eminant domain didn't really exist at the time(I don't think, you can fact check me on that) so the government felt no need to compensate the owners, and the slaves were told they were free to make their way much as anyone else was during those times. It was a raw deal for the slaves, but as I understand it many of them turned around and went back to work on the plantations, this time for pay using the skills they already had and with the knowledge they could leave any time. Whether that's true or not I think it up for debate.

Is property more important than lves? The answer is it's a loaded question because they're both equal. The Declarion of Independance lists that peoples shall not be deprived of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness while the constituion ennumerates that you shall not be deprived of life or property without due process because life without property is meaningless and property without life is meaningless. The latter is obvious but to clarify the former I don't mean your xbox or your MOC G1 Sideswipe, but your land and your house. If you are deprived of food and shelter you will die, and it should be a crime for anyone to take them from you and sentence you to death through deprivation. So both are equally important. Next question.

Here's where I'm going to make some people real mad. Black people are asking for equality and not revenge because some people are looking for revenge and know better than to say it. I believe a couple of things. First off that after the civil rights era there was a lot of bad blood. The second is that a lot of people still hold that bad blood. After the civil rights era people didn't stop being racist, on both sides. It was far less tolerated in the white communities, where being openly racist largely marked you as more and more of a pariah in your community. In the black communities though a lot of that sentiment was allowed to continue. It's not hard to see it. There's a vast number of people that believe that most if not all white people are racist, that most if not all police are racist, and nothing has changed since the civil rights era. Those people continue to echo the same things through their communities with no one really countering it. So now we have groups like Black Lives matter. I think that the founders of the group were likely very reasonable, which is why they were focused on things like criminal justice and police reforms. But when the national community at large got involved, all the bad blood came to the surface and the good ideals drowned in it. They're still in there, but we'll never see them until we can thin that out and get to the root of the problems.

And this is where I might make some people not so mad. No one is going to deny that the black community does not have grievances. Just because they have equality now does not mean the police were not right bastards to them during the civil rights era. That era, however, was almost seventy years ago. Many black people are incredibly successful, there are few to any barriers they face in the world today, at least in the first world. I'll go back to that bad blood though. There are people still holding on to that, the same people that say Never ever trust a white person, never trust the police, never trust the government(actually they might be on to something there). When you keep perpetrating that through your community over and over, year after year, decade after decade, it never gives equality a chance to even take root and fourish. It leads to a constant state of defensive fear just waiting for an opportunity. I'll go back to my one in a million example earlier. The opportunity WILL come, and when it does those people who still harbor bad blood will be the first on the scene to say "See what they did! They're coming for all of us now!", and the tone is then set for opposition instead of cooperation. The good news is this is something we CAN fix, no laws, no police necessary. This is toxicity in OUR communities, toxicity WE can fix. Once we no longer have people constant telling us that we're always under attack, maybe someone can be bold enough to extend the olive branch.

Of course not. Equality should be the goal, but equality and equity are not the same thing. We should not be trying to ensure that everyone ends up in the same place. Not only would that be impossible but the line of said equity would be absolutely arbitary and disinfranchise everyone over it. Equality should mean removing any and all barriers to peoples advancement. And we've done that. The civil rights act has made it illegal to deny anyone based on a series of immutable characteristics. That doesn't mean it doesn't still happen but I stress we need to keep perspective. Never forget all the times it did work and focus fixing the one time it didn't without demonizing the rest. it's the only way we can advance.

The answer to this one is kinda obvious, but the US was against fascism, though in reality the US was against germany and the axis more. Germany had declared war on Europe, Italy the middle east and africa, and japan pretty much all of asia and the pacific. It wouldn't have really matterd if Germany had been a democracy, an empire, a commune, or a republic. We didn't go to war because of their government, we went to war with them because of their actions. That makes the question just a little disingeniuous.

Again referencing my previous answer, Yes, but it's tangental. Yes, the fascist, Nazi regime was defeated, but not so much for being Nazis, or fascists. They were defeated for declaring war on all of Europe and the extermination of 12 million civilians. 'nough said here I think.

That's a hard question to answer and I don't think anyone who hasn't been in that situation could answer it truthfully. They say that if you wanted to know what you'd be doing during WWII, look at what you're doing now, but I think that's also disingenuous. The US is NOT nazi germany, not by a longshot. We are FAR from a fascist state. We don't even have martial law going yet. That being said, since the question was asked, I'll answer best I can. Would I have taken up arms against my own government? Probably not. I like freedom but I'm not stupid. I could, however, see myself harboring fugatives from the nazi's though. Just because I'm not going to suicide charge the local gestapo doesn't mean I'm going to comply either. I've always had a rebellious streak and i don't mind subversion. I could have hid people.

Alright, so that's ten more. There are a LOT of these questions. Practically an essay at this point. Next ten!
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