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If there's an issue I want to raise here, why is Godginrai getting the priority treatment while the fembots (Arcee and Elita-1) which have been featured earlier have not even been given the colored treatment?

bvzxa wrote:

megatronus wrote:What the internet "gets" is that you are incredibly rude. I don't care how old you are, or how many years you've been collecting - you shouldn't treat people on the boards (or in life) this way.

Shame on you.

Really??

yeah. WJ is just trying to make an argument about the TF heritage, and how its not outlandish (ginrai was IN an anime correct?). you (for some reason) are taking it as a personal attack. and who actually told you that you HAVE to like this figure?

so maybe... take a breath?

fenrir72 wrote:If there's an issue I want to raise here, why is Godginrai getting the priority treatment while the fembots (Arcee and Elita-1) which have been featured earlier have not even been given the colored treatment?

Those look nice...I would love to see them in their perspective colors as well.

bvzxa wrote:
The chest of this statue looks like the chest of the RX-93

This God Ginrai isn't a statue, it's an action figure.

I personally like it when Transformers borrow design ques from other Mecha, especially Gundam, Gundam is one of the biggest Mecha properties out there, with some of the best robot designs period. Even HasTak transforming figures have had Gundam elements (Energon and Movie especially), never saw anyone complain about those.
Plus this has some basis in actual fiction, a lot of the Masterforce episodes actually went full on Gundam with Ginrai.

And I have to say, this looks even better in colour than I expected it to, I really want this for my oddities shelf.

I agree with bvzxa, it does look like a Gundam done up in God Ginrai colors. As soon as I saw that design with the new sword the first thing that came to mind was Gundam Astray Red Frame:



I really don't get the design. The EM Gokin figures were accurate to their character designs while the EX Gokin figures are accurate to the Transformers Cartoon. God Ginrai appears to be an entirely new design that's far more stylized than any official art. I would be much more accepting of something from the show or magazine art.

And really, I don't see how Transformers starting off as an amalgamation of different Japanese robot lines has anything to do with this. This isn't a pre-existing robot toy being renamed God Ginrai. I also don't see how Star Saber being inspired by Gundam makes anything OK. Transformers is a massive franchise of its own, it doesn't need to look like other robot lines. I don't have a problem with non-transformable Transformers, but there is such a thing as over stylized to the point that it doesn't even look like it's supposed to turn into something.

Emerje

Dead Metal wrote:

bvzxa wrote:
The chest of this statue looks like the chest of the RX-93

This God Ginrai isn't a statue, it's an action figure.

I personally like it when Transformers borrow design ques from other Mecha, especially Gundam, Gundam is one of the biggest Mecha properties out there, with some of the best robot designs period. Even HasTak transforming figures have had Gundam elements (Energon and Movie especially), never saw anyone complain about those.
Plus this has some basis in actual fiction, a lot of the Masterforce episodes actually went full on Gundam with Ginrai.

And I have to say, this looks even better in colour than I expected it to, I really want this for my oddities shelf.

@ byvzxa

That pic if I'm not mistaken is either a Master Grade or Perfect Grade Gundam FinFannel. It's poseable btw.

Emerje wrote:I agree with bvzxa, it does look like a Gundam done up in God Ginrai colors. As soon as I saw that design with the new sword the first thing that came to mind was Gundam Astray Red Frame:

astray.jpg

I really don't get the design. The EM Gokin figures were accurate to their character designs while the EX Gokin figures are accurate to the Transformers Cartoon. God Ginrai appears to be an entirely new design that's far more stylized than any official art. I would be much more accepting of something from the show or magazine art.

And really, I don't see how Transformers starting off as an amalgamation of different Japanese robot lines has anything to do with this. This isn't a pre-existing robot toy being renamed God Ginrai. I also don't see how Star Saber being inspired by Gundam makes anything OK. Transformers is a massive franchise of its own, it doesn't need to look like other robot lines. I don't have a problem with non-transformable Transformers, but there is such a thing as over stylized to the point that it doesn't even look like it's supposed to turn into something.

Emerje

Super stylized! Check those pair of katana.........Ginrai didn't have those.

Dead Metal wrote:
I personally like it when Transformers borrow design ques from other Mecha, especially Gundam, Gundam is one of the biggest Mecha properties out there, with some of the best robot designs period. Even HasTak transforming figures have had Gundam elements (Energon and Movie especially), never saw anyone complain about those.

This intrigues me, could you give me a few examples ?

Come on, that's a goddamn GUNDAM! On it's own, it's a nice looking model. However, it look NOTHING like the cartoon model. The original is supposed to be massive and bulky. this one look like some dude in cosplay. It's a look that is OK for Evengelion and Gundam, but Transformers?! No, just no.

Still, I see this model as great news. It's one more Masterforce product that is popping up! Which mean that a MP God Ginrai may come sooner than we think!
At least, I hope.

-Kanrabat- wrote: The original is supposed to be massive and bulky. this one look like some dude in cosplay.

Ha! That's hilarious.

I just love threads like this, really shows you just how incredibly narrow minded this fanbase is.

It's also great how anything that's remotely stylized is immediately called a Gundam, reminds me of those people who saw Pacific Rim and called it Power Rangers.
Fun fact: A robot can have a stylized aesthetic without looking like a Gundam, can you believe it?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, I see this model as great news. It's one more Masterforce product that is popping up! Which mean that a MP God Ginrai may come sooner than we think!
At least, I hope.

It's a limited run garage kit being sold at Wonder Festival, The guy who made it has absolutely no ties to Takara Tomy.

cannonfodder4000 wrote:I just love threads like this, really shows you just how incredibly narrow minded this fanbase is.

It's also great how anything that's remotely stylized is immediately called a Gundam, reminds me of those people who saw Pacific Rim and called it Power Rangers.
Fun fact: A robot can have a stylized aesthetic without looking like a Gundam, can you believe it?

There's stylized and there's [img]stylized[/img]! I not a fan of Gundam. I barely saw any Gundam. But by god, that Goking Ginrai look so much like a Gundam, it look like a straight repaint of an actual Gundam!

Sheesh, all series have it's style and trope. When a 3rd party figure take the entire style of a franshise, it's not "stylized" anymore. It's now part of that freaking universe! Those who said that Pacific Rim looked like Power Rangers were out of it. Those mecha look NOTHING like any PR mechs. However, that Goking Ginrai IS a Gundam. Plain and simple. You have to be blind not to notice it.

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, I see this model as great news. It's one more Masterforce product that is popping up! Which mean that a MP God Ginrai may come sooner than we think!
At least, I hope.

It's a limited run garage kit being sold at Wonder Festival, The guy who made it has absolutely no ties to Takara Tomy.

Still, it IS being made. Which mean Masterforce is still popular. There's also that 3rd Party upgrade kit for AOE Evasion Optimus Prime that came out. (I own it and it make a way more accurate Ginrai than the Gokin one.) There's also that other 3rd party figure. Also, the licenced Gutto Kurru Ginrai and Minelba fibures. (I just bought the Ginrai one to display with my G1 God Ginrai). And finally, the Minelba model kit of Wonderfest. It's lots of Masterforce merchs that came out recently. Both official and unofficial.

THAT'S what give me hope for a future God Ginrai MP from Takara. Because Ginrai IS G1 and popular!

william-james88 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:
I personally like it when Transformers borrow design ques from other Mecha, especially Gundam, Gundam is one of the biggest Mecha properties out there, with some of the best robot designs period. Even HasTak transforming figures have had Gundam elements (Energon and Movie especially), never saw anyone complain about those.

This intrigues me, could you give me a few examples ?

I sure can!
Energon Mirage is the first I think of:
Look at them legs and feet


http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... age/113/1/

ROTF Hubcap, again the feet, although I think the head looks like a bit of a "moviefied" Mobile Suite head.


The head on ROTF Brawn/ Outback always looked like a Japanese Supermecha head to me, just without the long pointy antennae.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... wn/2009/1/
The mold has a few other features about it that feel very Super Robot to me, doesn't come across like it in pics all to much, it's more when you have it in hand and fiddle about with it. It's really surprising. It's a fantastic mold and would make an awesome army builder.

Movie 1 Protoform Starscream's chest is another example, I mean paint that thing blue, white, and read, and it would look like something from one of the more modern Gundam incarnations.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... rm/1106/2/

Same goes for Wreckage

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ge/1116/1/
I see a bit in the legs, but it's mostly the chest and shoulders.


Now apparently according to Cybergundam, this isn't from Artstorm, but a Wonderfest garage kit from some guy....

Having desing cues and inspirations from other things is all fine and good and is actually kinda cool. However, if the ENTIRE THING is in that "other" style, that's where I draw the line. If I look at the thing and am confused at where it came from, there is a problem.

A great example below. If you didnt know it was an official Transformers, you'd think that Beast Wars Neo Magmatron is some random demon from the Devilman universe.



I'm not liking this one bit so I'm selling mine. PM me if interested.

Straight up Gundam repaint. How horribly uninspired. Easy pass on this one.

Go ahead, jump in my sh** about how TF's took from other lines. I f***ing DARE YOU!
Yes, I read through every post in this thread and I agree with bvxza 100% on his assessment of this figure and how he was treated for making the comments he made. It was unwarranted and you all should be ashamed of yourselves. This figure is an absolute waste of time and plastic and IN MY OPINION looks like crap. So suck on that!! Jerks!

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Go ahead, jump in my sh** about how TF's took from other lines. I f***ing DARE YOU!

So suck on that!! Jerks!

jeeze you guys. this is the one of the dumbest things ive seen become fan-polarizing.

opinions are fine, but theres NO REASON for comments like that. try to conduct yourself with some respect.

dont give none, wont get none.

-Kanrabat- wrote:There's stylized and there's [img]stylized[/img]! I not a fan of Gundam. I barely saw any Gundam. But by god, that Goking Ginrai look so much like a Gundam, it look like a straight repaint of an actual Gundam!

Since you've barely seen any Gundam, how fair is it that you're comparing God Ginrai to one?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Those who said that Pacific Rim looked like Power Rangers were out of it. Those mecha look NOTHING like any PR mechs.

Exactly, I'm implying you guys are out of it as well, it's the same type of aesthetic ignorance that comes from your unfamiliarity with other properties.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, it IS being made. Which mean Masterforce is still popular.

THAT'S what give me hope for a future God Ginrai MP from Takara. Because Ginrai IS G1 and popular!

We know Masterforce is still popular, there's a reason why Super Ginrai came in third on the Masterpiece fan's choice poll.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A great example below. If you didnt know it was an official Transformers, you'd think that Beast Wars Neo Magmatron is some random demon from the Devilman universe

Don't you find it refreshing though? it's nice to have something different every once in a while, it's why toys like Magmatron or Gigatron are so well remembered today. At least Magmatron still looks organic like a Beast Wars toy, but Gigatron is way over the top, which is why I love the design so much.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm not liking this one bit so I'm selling mine. PM me if interested.

I'm actually very interested, I always wanted a Magmatron cause I've only heard good things about that mold, but I've got way too many orders going on currently...

Want! So bad!

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Straight up Gundam repaint. How horribly uninspired. Easy pass on this one.

Go ahead, jump in my sh** about how TF's took from other lines. I f***ing DARE YOU!
Yes, I read through every post in this thread and I agree with bvxza 100% on his assessment of this figure and how he was treated for making the comments he made. It was unwarranted and you all should be ashamed of yourselves. This figure is an absolute waste of time and plastic and IN MY OPINION looks like crap. So suck on that!! Jerks!

I get this whole "cranky old truck" is your "thing", and I'm okay with it, provided you do it within the rules.

Your comments are welcome, but you can do it without the profanity and insulting other members. This is the second time I've asked you to tone it down, if staff have to pull you up again you're getting a warning.

Dead Metal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:
I personally like it when Transformers borrow design ques from other Mecha, especially Gundam, Gundam is one of the biggest Mecha properties out there, with some of the best robot designs period. Even HasTak transforming figures have had Gundam elements (Energon and Movie especially), never saw anyone complain about those.

This intrigues me, could you give me a few examples ?

I sure can!
Energon Mirage is the first I think of:
Look at them legs and feet


http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... age/113/1/

ROTF Hubcap, again the feet, although I think the head looks like a bit of a "moviefied" Mobile Suite head.


The head on ROTF Brawn/ Outback always looked like a Japanese Supermecha head to me, just without the long pointy antennae.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... wn/2009/1/
The mold has a few other features about it that feel very Super Robot to me, doesn't come across like it in pics all to much, it's more when you have it in hand and fiddle about with it. It's really surprising. It's a fantastic mold and would make an awesome army builder.

Movie 1 Protoform Starscream's chest is another example, I mean paint that thing blue, white, and read, and it would look like something from one of the more modern Gundam incarnations.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... rm/1106/2/

Same goes for Wreckage

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ge/1116/1/
I see a bit in the legs, but it's mostly the chest and shoulders.


Now apparently according to Cybergundam, this isn't from Artstorm, but a Wonderfest garage kit from some guy....

So I was right, he was borrowing an asethic from Gundam. So could this have been incorrectly reported as an Art Storm product?

cannonfodder4000 wrote:A robot can have a stylized aesthetic without looking like a Gundam, can you believe it?

Nuh-uh! Everyone knows that all pointy robots are either Gun-damns or Evajelions!

Sarcasm aside, you are absolutely right, a robot can have a stylized aesthetic without looking like a Gundam:



This figure is, however, a Gundam. And before you try to say I don't know what I'm talking about I've seen everything from OG to Build Fighters. This is a Gundam.

That aside, it's true, this wasn't made by Art Storm, it's a resin kit made by a circle (what they call groups of fans that make figures, comics, games, and the like for sale at places like Wonfes and Comiket) called Burivary System. The confusion seems to come from the fact that the guy who sculpted this, Alan Moriguchi, also sculpted Art Storm's EM Gokin Roadbuster/Mugen Calibur and Blue Jet. His twitter account can be found here with a lot more pictures. And notice what Alan's twitter icon is, bvzxa probably wasn't wrong saying God Ginrai looked like a RX-93. God Ginrai is selling for 18,500jpy or US$155.

Emerje

If we all want to be @nal, Gundam's helmet borrows obviously heavily from this



Same with ALL SOC, Transformers, Eva etc

Take a look at this one of the power up mushrooms in Fiveman,



change the colors and you get



So there really isn't a biggy issue here. All the artwork/design are inspired from something.